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by ARLnow.com | February 11, 2011 at 8:33 am | 1,086 views | 226 Comments

Congressman Dated Pentagon City Mall Employee — Disgraced former Congressman Christopher Lee (R-NY)  had “a relationship” with a young woman who “worked at an upscale Pentagon City department store,” according to the New York Post. GOP leadership reportedly ordered Lee to “curtail his randy DC antics” after word got out he was dating the “young salesclerk.” There is a Macy’s and a Nordstrom department store at Pentagon City mall. [New York Post]

Post Editorial Slams Arlington, Again – Three days after declaring that Arlington Public Schools should investigate the explosive claims of a former middle school teacher, the Washington Post’s editorial board is on Arlington’s case again. The Post says Arlington won “a battle over HOT lanes but may lose a war.” By effectively killing the I-395 HOT lanes project and blocking the widening of I-66, Arlington’s “NIMBYism” is “frustrating the county’s populous and fast-growing neighbors” while “undercut[ting] its own economic interests.” [Washington Post]

Another Day Added to Wine Walk – Crystal City is adding another day to its inaugural “1K Wine Walk.” The indoor wine-tasting “race” will now be held on Feb. 26 & 27. Buy tickets for the event here.

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  • G. Clifford Prout

    Does anyone know if this Mr. Lee was one of those “family values” Republicans?

    • Filipe

      Perhaps. He certainly isn’t a “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” liberal.

      • mehoo

        Difference is, that was just a lie, not a hypocritical lie.

        • Sgt. Hartman

          Right…it was just a lie under oath in a court proceeding. And one that got President Clinton impeached and suspended from practicing law.

          • mehoo

            Sure. But it was not a hypocritical lie, which was the point the original commenter was making.

          • Westover

            He was the President of the United States who had sworn to uphold the Constitution. Any lie under oath was a hypocritical lie. I say this and I was working for the man at the time!

          • mehoo

            Yes, pretty much all lies are hypocritical in a sense.

            But the lie wasn’t even the point. The hypocrisy was.

            You made a good effort, but it’s over.

    • Lalaland

      He was very vocal against repealing don’t ask don’t tell and is anti-abortion. Apparently he cares about keeping other people’s sex lives’ wholesome, just not his own.

  • Snookie

    Why do we care so much about who these bozo Congressmen frolic around with? Businessmen/women, police officers, teachers- every profession- has idiots who can’t stay faithful. As if a politician of all people would be any better.

    • Lou

      Yeah I agree. I guess because some alleged girl works in a store somewhere in Arlington, that opens the door just wide enough to make it “news” on ARLnow. But really? The guy is from NY. Ain’t my congressman.

    • anon

      Morality aside, I’d care if my congressman was so dumb as to use his email account linked to his facebook page and his real name when trying to cheat with strangers on craigslist. That is just plain stupid, clearly he was going to get caught. I think people would at least expect their congressman not to be an idiot.

      • Kate

        +1 He’s a total idiot.

    • R.Griffon

      It’s due to the hypocrisy of these people constantly pushing their own sense of morality on others. That’s why it’s always news when conservative Republicans or clergy are caught in an affair. That and people love a good sex story. I’m just surprised it wasn’t with another dude or someone under age.

      But I have to say – props to the guy for looking as good as he does his age. Credit where credit is due.

  • mehoo

    No more highways built over Arlington to subsidize SUV-driving McMansion-dwelling dolts in the outer suburbs.

    • NPGMBR

      There is absolutely nothing wrong with driving SUVs or living further out. However, there is plenty wrong with putting in HOT lanes when they are not needed. Whats keeping the State from converting the current lance into regular lanes?

      • mehoo

        I agree, I didn’t say there was anything wrong with it (though that’s debatable too). What’s wrong is expecting Arlington to suffer for it.

        • Westover

          I suffer without the lanes. Cars ideling on I-66 a block from my house, waiting in back ups on I-66 to get to Tysons or on I-395 to get into town, these are problems that effect me which can be improved with more lanes on either road, would like some more bridge crossing over the Potomac too.

          • http://www.greatergreaterwashington.org/joey Joey

            Sure, idling cars suck and pollute. Adding more capacity, though, while it eases up traffic in the immediate term, tends to promote even *more* people to drive (because it would have been so difficult before) and then more development accessible primarily to those drivers (that also may not have occurred before, because of the limited access).

            With more drivers + more development, that added capacity (in a growing region) almost always fills back up, and 10 years from now (or sooner), you’d have idling cars once again, only now you’d have six lanes of idling cars instead of four. Isn’t that worse?

          • jan

            You are right.

          • Sheriff Gonna Getcha

            it might be worse. but the regions population is growing. and the transportation infrastructure must expand with it, otherwise it will cost the region economically in the end.

          • Westover

            And we will need to expand in ten years too, and in twenty years, and in thirty years. The moment the Silver Lines opens folks will be wanting to find how it can get more capacity as well. We need ALL these things to expand to deal with our growing population. There is a baby boom going on right now, so in 20-30 years it will be really bad if we don’t try to at least keep up.

    • Overgrown Bush

      The Washington Post article seems to be aimed directly at mehoo! Personally, I think the Post is dead on.

      • duran nor duran

        How is the Post dead on?

        Are we going to keep building highways to fairfax and loudon until arlington is completely paved?

        They have seen enormous growth in the boonies in recent years but have put hardly any money into public transportation infrastructure. The mentality out there is just “build more roads” which is as stupid as the post economic impact claim.

        It’s not my fault they build 3,000 identical townhouses on an old farm and think a connection to a 4 lane road and a stop light is all the transportation infrastructure required.

        • South Arlington

          +1

        • Overgrown Bush

          It isn’t the homeowner’s fault either. It is the politician’s fault. They need to have a mindset of public transit when these things are constructed. There needs to be right-of-way planned for future growth for roads, rail, and bus service. It should be a no brainer, but the folks we elect have no brains instead!

          • mehoo

            I don’t see how you post this and yet think the Post is dead on, OG.

          • Overgrown Bush

            The Post is dead-on that Arlington has a strong NIMBY mentality. Personally, I’m opposed to HOT lanes but only because they are toll lanes. I do believe there needs to be additional road infrastructure that brings people to/from Arlington and DC as well as around the VA suburbs. Aside from the metro line through Arlington (planned many decades ago), there has been shoddy transportation planning in the region, especially with metrorail. There seems to have not been an appropriate recognition of the need for burb to burb transit consisting of highways, bus routes, and especially rail. Traffic in Fairfax County is actually much worse than in Arlington and most of those people aren’t going to Arlington or DC to work. The NIMBY mentality Arlington now has may spur from the proud planning of the existing metro line but really needs to realize the area is a region and not a county. I’d be interested to know what Arlington residents think of DC wanting a commuter tax. I suspect much of Arlington would be against that. Well, isn’t that DC just pulling an Arlington to commuters?

          • OccasionalCommuter

            One thing about your statement I agree with is the traffic in Fairfax and really all those outer Nova counties. Occassionally, I have to leave my nice, walkable Arlington office and trudge out to Fair Lakes or Chantilly to visit our other offices and I am flabbergasted at the enormously wide, 6 laner local roads with long, double stack turn lanes at almost every intersection that are still chock-full of cars. Everyone out there at lunch time gets in their car to drive to lunch. WTF?

          • mehoo

            It’s not a NIMBY mentality, because Arlington doesn’t want this in ANYONE’s back yard. NIMBY means you don’t want vital services thrown into your backyard. That’s entirely different from wanting an alternative. In this case, Arlington doesn’t just want to move highways to some other jurisdiction, it wants to depend more on alternatives like Metro instead. It SUPPORTS adding capacity that way.

          • AZZI9

            How isn’t it the homeowner’s fault? Who doesn’t take their commutes into account when their buying a home… Obviously these people.

          • Overgrown Bush

            Spend $300-400K on a house near your job. The economy tanks, and you are forced to take a job no longer near your home. Selling the home isn’t a viable option financially because of the economy, so you deal with the commute. You see, not everything is as cut and dry as you would like to think it is. Everyone has different situations and doesn’t buy a McMansion out yonder to drive a Escalade into DC and spew fumes all over the poor choking people of Arlington.

          • AZZI9

            So the MASSES driving up 395 lost their jobs and is NOW having to commute into DOWNTOWN DC to adjust. According to you this is in response to the economy. Also, I think anyone that goes into a 300 to 400K loan is foolish.

          • Overgrown Bush

            Well, who said the loan was $300-400K. I have a house in that range and my loan isn’t that amount. Foolish? Maybe. But my mortgage payment is likely less than your rent yet I get a tax break. Oh, I have a 15 minute commute too. Not everyone living in the region is living in a way to inconvenience you or pollute your air.

          • AZZI9

            You sound like you’re doing the right things… these people coming from further out and complaining about their commutes I have no sorrow for. Why are you defending them?

          • Sheriff Gonna Getcha

            a lot of these “masses” cant afford to live any closer in and the job center is still in DC….. think FEDERAL EMPLOYEES.

            Feds, on average, do not make enough money to have million dollar houses in Arlington. A lot of them live in places like Reston, Herndon, Chantilly, Centreville, Annandale, Springfield etc.

            Its not like they are purposely making a choice to have a long commute, but for many, who bought homes in the 80′s and 90′s, that was the logical choice at the time. Your argument makes you seem ignorant to the economic realities. You need to come down from your ivory tower.

          • Westover

            A lot of folks live out there in modest town houses because they did not want to raise their kids in a one bedroom postage stamp condo in Arlington that was the same price. Some folks live out there and commute in because their spouse works out there. Others might have grown up put there so they stay close to their parents neighborhood so they can help them out when the time comes. There are as many legit reasons to live outside the Beltway as there are to live inside it. I even know folks leaving nice houses in Clarendon for Vienna because they are sick of folks pukeing in their bushes as they stumble home to their apartments and condos on Lee Highway.

          • AZZI9

            I live within my means. I don’t buy things I can’t afford. I’ve lived below the poverty lines and survived without help. I make a good living now and am in no hurry to outspend my pay. You people made a compromise now live with it.

          • Westover

            wow, you are an azz

          • Sheriff Gonna Getcha

            And do you really think that a government employee can raise a family in an Arlington neighborhood??

            You are smoking crack if you think so AZZI. The only option a lot of people have is to buy far out and commute in, otherwise they either cant have a family or they are severely limited. Housing is so expensive inside the beltway after the recent run up in real estate values.

            Unless you have old money from your family or you are making 200K (which most people aren’t), then you most likely cant afford to live a single family home in Arlington. Just look at the neighborhood near the Overlee pool as an example.

            No one said you were living above your means, but these people, their means requires them to live where they can afford to.

            You’re still in your Ivory Tower.

          • AZZI9

            I’m an azz because I do the right things. How is that. Am I supposed to feel sorry for people that decided to go into a townhouse in Woodbridge for 300K and now hate themselves because their mortages suck, their commutes suck, and their lives suck… Those people made those decisions not me. And I don’t appreciate them coming into my county and dictating their crappy existence into mine.

          • AZZI9

            Who says you can live in Single Family Home. There are plenty of condos avaialble that are within the 200-300K range. But you will live a high density lifestyle in a high density area. Instead you chose to compromise and have the big yard and SFH but know that the commute comes with it. You knew that before you bought in…

          • Sheriff Gonna Getcha

            Sure, you can get a studio condo for 200-300k. Big enough for about 1 person and their tiny fishtank……

            If you want to raise a family, that simply cannot be done in a reasonable manner in a 300K condo. You are clearly not house hunting at the moment and are totally out of touch with reality.

            Now I dont know a thing about you but I do know that you are the most insensitive right wing aristocratic arrogant poster I have come across on the board.

            Not to mention you are not in touch with the realities of the region. We are dependent upon the transportation infrastructure to work in order for this area to stay successful. Clearly, you thinking a bit more selfishly here.

          • mehoo

            Without getting into the debate about home prices, I’ll note that studies have shown that transportation and other costs can make owning a cheaper home in the outer suburbs a wash, or even increase the overall living expense.

            http://www.houstontomorrow.org/livability/story/distant-suburbs-more-expensive-in-uli-analysis/

          • AZZI9

            That’s an exageration. There’s plenty of 2 bedroom condos within the beltway priced within that price range. You just don’t want to admit that your decisions were incorrect. Now a little about me, I’m married, under 30, take the metro, walk or bicycle to get around. So does my wife. I recycle, care for the weak, and lean towards the left in my politics. You are just soo used to business as usual that you don’t see that your region is changing.

          • AZZI9

            Hoo.. what’s the value on toll that the commute puts on your body. Frustration alone is worth what… 10 grand????

          • Westover

            You don’t plan on having kids do you?

          • Sheriff Gonna Getcha

            from mehoos links….”High housing costs in urban and inner suburban neighborhoods and high transportation costs in outer-ring suburbs leave many of DC’s workforce without real affordable housing options, says the report.”

            And AZZI, thats great that you do all those things. It doesnt mean that your trash doesnt go somewhere though or that you are better because you live in a close in suburb in an Ivory Tower.

            Just as the fact that someone who makes 50K a year at their job in DC and has 3 kids so they bought the only home they could get a mortgage on out in Dale City isnt a bad person. You are totally looking down on people who live far out but the sacrifice they make is they live far out!!

          • AZZI9

            Sheriff. Your community along with the rest of Virginia tried to shove the HOT lanes down our throats. I am not alone in Arlington in the way I operate my life. Why should I suffer the cost of your lifestyle??? I want smart growth. I want more people to ride mass transit. I definately don’t want to see more people commuting on 395 when its just 1 person to 1 car….
            You have 3 kids on 50 grand a year….. that’s another topic.

          • Overgrown Bush

            AZZ: I assume with your attitude you never leave Arlington. You don’t travel into DC, Alexandria, Fairfax, or anywhere else in the region? If so, how dare you impose upon the residents of those jurisdictions??? I can’t imagine they would want you passing through while you go about your daily existance.

          • 22205

            Oh, but he will do it by Metro, so he is superior.

          • Sheriff Gonna Getcha

            Actually I live in Ballston, have zero kids and I take the metro (when it works) to my job in DC. I also rent a townhouse and have 2 roommates. None of us will be able to afford to buy in Arlington if we want to have kids and we are all fairly well off for our ages.

            But I am just not blinded by short sightedness and I realize that the region in growing and we must grow our regional transportation infrastructure. Unfortunately we have a terrible transit system b/c we only have 2 tracks (totally different story with the idiots that made that decision).

            We need smart growth via building up and growing densities, but we also need to build bigger and more roads as well. Its not a one sized fits all approach. The solution must be a combination of more roads, more rail and more buses in order to keep the region functioning.

          • AZZI9

            I don’t demand that Alexandria or Fairfax build a superhighway just because I pass through it now do I.

          • Overgrown Bush

            Oh, I see AZZ. It is ok for you to use every other county or city’s infrastructure and add to the traffic and smog there. But how dare anyone impose upon your sanctuary? You are not an AZZ, you are a hypocrite.

          • AZZI9

            So let’s spend 3 billion dollars on additional lanes so people can just pass through in their cars. How much trackage can we add to the system with 3 billion. How about buses? Or car pooling? Or more parking? Or tele-commuting?

          • AZZI9

            Bush. I don’t own a car. How do I smog up your cities without a car.

          • Overgrown Bush

            Exactly AZZ. It is multi-pronged solution. Just remember, these people driving on 395 don’t have a better solution. There are carpoolers. There are buses. To some extent, there are trains coming in from Springfield further down 395. But, the infrastructure isn’t there for everyone to do it. So, more roads are PART of the solution. So, we agree. But for you to judge those who commute to work via car because they have little choice, is hypocritical when you drive out to Fairfax to meet your friends at a coffee bar.

          • Lou

            Well that explains your irrational thinking about roads.

          • AZZI9

            It’s been 20 months since I got rid of my car. Don’t tell me I don’t know about commuting cause I do. And you’re right Bush multi pronged, so these people that are unhappy about Arlington should understand that also. But 1 guy in 1 car on 395 ruch hour is definately not the answer.

          • Overgrown Bush

            AZZ: Oh, that explains it! You don’t have to worry about going anywhere by car, so you really hardly do leave Arlington. I’m sure you’ve used a Zip Car though…. I suspect you don’t own a plane either. How dare the airlines fly over your air space all for the needs of those business and pleasure airline commuters!

          • Sheriff Gonna Getcha

            AZZI9 – I wanted to congratulate you on losing 2,000 pounds in one day on the car-free diet.

            Now, please come out from behind the curtain and admit you are actually Mr Chris Zimmerman

          • AZZI9

            Not him. But I live in Rosslyn maybe you’ll see me on my bicycle or walking around. Please mind the bicyclist and pedestrians when you cut through my hood.

          • duran nor duran

            they don’t want to pay the real estate taxes required to fund adequate transportation infrastructure. The silver line is the first significant expansion of metro since the original plan was conceived roughly 40 years ago.

            This was the debate when the metro was first being built – is it economically viable to build lines through areas that are currently too low density to support the costs? Shouldn’t we just build roads? I think it’s apparent that the real question should be is it economically viable to wait until everything’s filled in before having a public transportation plan in place?

            The outerburbs made their own bed… They could have planned ahead and pushed for expansion of metro and public transit 10 years ago when they were in the middle of this building craze, but instead they focused on 4 lane roads, adding an extra lane or two to 95 and 66, and improvements to rt. 28 and the Fairfax county parkway.

            Sorry they didn’t want to pay the taxes required to support the population boom but it’s not my problem. Sorry they wanted that 3,000 sq ft new construction, instead of a more modest older home closer in. Sorry they spend an hour in the car to and from work, but i’m not going to pave my backyard to make up for their poor planning, greed and refusal to pay adequate taxes, just so their commute is a few minutes shorter albeit shorter for a few years, until the lanes all fill up again and we’re back to paving more.

          • Overgrown Bush

            Actually, the original metrorail plan included a line through Skyline City in Fairfax County, but just a stone’s throw from Wakefield HS in South Arlington. In fact, Skyline was approved to very high density on that plan. Well, the stations were cut. Skyline was built out, and traffic along the King Street corridor is horrible. These are people who don’t live in the outer burbs, and impacts South Arlington directly. Oh, and guess what… The Bailey’s Cross Roads revitalization plan is going to change the retail density of that area, and the housing density by ten-fold. Their solution….put a trolley stop in that swings down Columbia Pike to the Pentagon. A ten-fold increase in density near Skyline and they want to add a trolley stop to the Pentagon? These people already commute to places other than the Pentagon. The politicans and planners are clueless, or hindered by funds as you say, but it isn’t in the outer burbs only. It is right in South Arlington too. Move the hell out of there before the next decade ends.

          • duran nor duran

            I’ve never heard of this… I remember GGW had a couple maps proposing a gold line or some kind of extension along rt. 7, which would make a ton of sense, but never saw or heard anything of this from an official standpt.

          • Overgrown Bush

            It was cut in one of the planning phases of metro, but Charles E. Smith had already begun the planning and development of the airport that was where Skyline sits now. I’ve seen a stop on an old planning map, but I can’t find a link for it right now. Here are some links to what is coming though….

            http://www.piketransit.com/downloads/Columbia_Pike_Nov2010_Meeting_Pres_18.pdf

            http://www.piketransit.com/assets/images/photosim/photosim_01_large.jpg

            http://www.piketransit.com/assets/images/photosim/photosim_03_large.jpg

            http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dpz/revitalization/baileys.htm

          • Janel

            This is correct – the original plan had the Blue line following Columbia Pike, but it was scratched due to cost. However, the Skyline area is just over the border from Arlington and Alexandria, so I don’t think it’s an accurate reflection of most of Fairfax county and Fairfax’s lack of transportation planning.

          • Overgrown Bush

            Janel: Agreed that Fairfax have not planned well. I guess my point is that the landscape in the Skyline area on the grounds of the old airport might be dramatically different if the metrorail stop were cut prior to Charles E. Smith beginning the development project. The high density without mass transit is still killing that area, and they are planning to make it worse.

            The VRE from the outer burbs is a good option for folks coming from Fredericksburg or Manassas to get into town. It certainly takes a while and is a little expensive, but it seems to be flourishing. It would be good to leverage those shared rail lines a bit more.

          • jan

            Duran, you are right

          • tinyArlingtonHouse

            My coworkers with long commutes often tell me that they get an acre of land and lower taxes out in the boonies for less than it would cost to get a tiny 2br one story house in Arlington. Yet, they complain incessantly about the commute. I have little sympathy. I rent, I live in a tiny place, but I have a short commute and it is a worthwhile tradeoff. Yes, the developers should be required to contribute to the infrastructure when they build, but if people didn’t BUY the houses in the boonies without sufficient road capacity, they would be forced to do more. And I also know of people who stop by Arlington and drop their kids off at the bus stop on the way to work, so they can cheat the Arlington schools while enjoying their low taxes. That is theft.

          • Westover

            If that is true about the kids, you should report them, we have a serious over crowding problem in the county. But Arlington is actually pretty good with checking on residency requirements, so I suspect that you are misinformed.

            I assume that you are single. Would you want to have a family of three, four or five trying to live in your little place? There are many one acre plots inside the Beltway, and there are more town houses in Prince William County than there are in Arlington. I would not condemn all your co-workers who do not live in Arlington, you likely don’t know the full story.

          • tinyArlingtonHouse

            Nope, 2 kids. We have great schools, nice parks, and guess what, you can raise a family very nicely in a 2 bedroom house. If you aren’t only interested in a monster home or mcMansion, there are some very nice little houses all over Arlington county that rent at very reasonable prices. We are very comfortable.

          • 22205

            Reasonable Rent is definately a relative term. Our single family home is great, but the mortgage is not a small payment and sure would love more space.

        • OX4

          +2

        • Westover

          They were slow with road construction outside the beltway, but have you seen Rt.28 lately? Went from a two lane road ten years ago to a almost a superhighway. If we don’t allow the widening of I-66 and I-395, we are going to be screwed in a decade.

          • duran nor duran

            rt. 28 is still a disaster during rush hour. it can easily take an hour to go between dulles and centreville. not that there’s a good reason too, but a fair amount of people seem to think there is.

          • Overgrown Bush

            The Fairfax side of Rt. 28 has seen numerous improvements from 5 or 10 years ago. Overpasses have been installed and the road has been widened. It is the Prince William side from Manassas to Centreville that has been cut from funding time and time again. Yet, Prince William is improving Rt. 28 on the western side of the county around their bypass highway that connects I66 and I95. Unfortunately, that only helps those bypassing town and not those commuting in it.

        • Janel

          +1.

        • SouthArlJD

          The WaPo is stupid, as usual. You, on the other hand, are dead on. People want to move out to the sticks? Then let them have alternative methods of getting into town or even find other ways to make a living that doesn’t involve sitting in Arlington in backed up traffic every day.

  • NorthAdams

    if job growth is centered around Tysons and the Dulles Corridor, why does everyone keep caring about moving people downtown into another “state”? Shouldn’t Virginia be focused on getting Virginian’s to their jobs in Virginia and NOT to their jobs in DC?

  • amsa

    Did the Post also recommend expanding the highways in DC and building more bridges? Ever tried getting from Gaithersburg to 15th & K? I don’t think Arlington is the problem here.

    • MC

      +1

  • notahoo

    The writer of the post is clearly AA (anti-arlington)…i think it shows in the conclusion. Why exactly is Arlington undercutting its economic interest? The job base is in DC (thirdish largest CBD in the country) not in the backwoods of Fairfax County. Traffic gets worse, meaning demand for shorter commutes will have people looking to move closer in, not move farther out, I think….of course the county’s arguements are/were silly (HOV lanes hurting the poor, huh?)…perhaps the point is that Arlington is even more anchoring itself to DC (ie the most poorly run city in the contry?).

    • Overgrown Bush

      ok…that’s why I66 west is gridlocked each morning through Arlington to Tysons Corner. Fairfax County is slowly (or not so slowly) expanding business, industry, housing, and retail from Fairfax, to Tysons, to Reston, to Dulles. The question will be, and is now, why bother coming to Arlington or DC to work and spend money when they don’t want us? Even the Feds are moving to the “backwoods” of Fairfax County. Describing Fairfax County as “backwoods” must mean you don’t get out of Arlington much. If Arlington has no interst in external dollars, so be it. But, it eventually will hurt the county. But, we all know it will eventually just be a haven for illegal immigrants anyway. LOL.

      • Lou

        The momentum out of Arlington has already started. Millions of square feet of office space is under development along the Silver Line. SAIC is among many Arlington employers just biding their time until their new spaces are ready to move out of here. In the meantime, Arlington will continue to position itself as a blockage to regional travel, so they can at least hold on to some of their captive economic base.

        • mehoo

          It’s funny how people go around saying our economic success is due to being close to DC whenever someone points out how good it is, but when something bad might happen, suddenly that’s irrelevant.

          • Overgrown Bush

            At one time it used to be great to be close to Detroit. Times change, and we see what happens when you don’t change with them.

          • mehoo

            I agree, OG, you have to change. The County has changed a great deal, hasn’t it? Embraced smart growth and Metro, and now as more jobs and residents move to the Silver Line, we’re connected to them quite nicely as we are to DC.

          • Overgrown Bush

            Indeed. And, if they would build some burb to burb Metrorail, there wouldn’t be the need for as many cars on I66, I95, I395, etc…. But, we seem to fail to realize with rail planning that much commuting is no longer going into the city.

          • Westover

            When the Orange Line was planned and built, McLean still had a John Deere Tractor dealer at the corner of Old Dominon and Chain Bridge Road. The suburban development was envisioned just not to the degree that it became.

          • Lou

            Well see the thing is, Arlington is tiny and getting close to maxing out our development potential. So we’ll keep doing fine, with low vacancy rates and high tax receipts from property. But the competitive edge we have is being eroded away as smart growth moves outside the Beltway. That’s all I’m saying.

          • mehoo

            That will happen no matter what.

          • Lou

            You need to learn how to think beyond “yes/no or will happen/will not happen”. Arlington is just being as much of a road block (pun intended) as they can be. Zimmerman is the swollen prostate of NOVA regional mobility. Yes, some flow gets through, but there’s definitely some surgery needed to free things up.

          • mehoo

            I agree – surgery, not wholesale organ transplants.

          • CW

            Is a highway that runs THROUGH the county with no exits TO the county “smart growth”?

            Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Arlington County the orginial “smart growth”? Look at the planning of development along every other metro line, or lack thereof…and don’t just say we’re “close to DC”. Southeast is closer to DC (in DC, even!), and PG county is pretty close as well, and you don’t see much going on there…

        • CW

          If enough “momentum” out of Arlington happens to drive down housing prices to where a couple of normal human beings with good jobs can buy a home together, even a condo, then you won’t see me crying a river. God forbid we lose our millions of square feet of office space devoted to fat cat gubmint contractors. Personally, I think that within 20 years we will all be telecommuting anyway, and I’ll split my time between the beach, the city, and the mountains.

          And if there ever comes a point where an analogy can be extended between being “close to Detroit” and “close to our nation’s capital”, then I think that, as Americans, we will all have bigger problems to worry about.

          • R.Griffon

            At first blush it seems that DC could never be Detroit, but on second thought we’ll be every bit as broke as a failed auto manufacturer if/when China decides to stop bankrolling our debt. And if that happens, the whole area could implode as government spending plummets.

          • duran nor duran

            umm. China only holds about 6-7% of our debt… Despite all the media hoopla, this is not as significant as they like to play it out to be.

            Japan barely trails China, and when combined w/ the UK they own 1.5x that of China. Yes, there is a liability when someone who is not necessarily your closest ally holds a significant amount of your bonds, but there are a ton of other factors that keep china in line.

          • CW

            And I’m not saying that that couldn’t happen. It concerns me too. I’m just saying that, if it does, smart growth won’t be our biggest worry.

          • duran nor duran

            Yeah, there are a bunch of flaws in Lou’s logic and statements. He tried pulling some of this crap the other day.

            Would love to see someone with some background in economics provide an honest argument on how this will hurt the county.

            There will always be companies moving out further to pay cheaper rent. It happens. The growth in the outerburbs during the last twenty years doesn’t appear to have harmed Arlington… kind of the opposite. Even back when the traffic was less congested than the minimal reduction these hot lanes will provide.

            The pentagon ain’t moving, the WH and Capitol aren’t going anywhere either. It will always take longer to get to fairfax and loudon from DC. If you’ve ever been out to centerville or dale city during rush hour, you’d be laughing at the clowns who say a couple hot lanes will fix anything for a majority of the commuters.

          • Lou

            You’ve been told once already.

          • duran nor duran

            yeah. you clearly have no background in economics, planning or policy. wouldn’t mind hearing a counter argument from someone who does tho…

          • Lou

            I do real estate, design and construction for a living. I’ll talk about it all day if you like. You don’t seem to be the one qualified to take the other side though, so stick around and maybe we can teach you something.

          • CW

            Real estate, design, and construction? What are you, a human version of HGTV?

            Or was it supposed to be “real estate design and construction”?

          • duran nor duran

            if you’re trained in this stuff then why did you say

            “Traffic is so bad in LA that they only have the second highest economic output of all the cities in the US.”
            ………
            ” I am pointing out that bad traffic will not shut down a city’s economy, and in fact a city’s economy can thrive with lots of roads and lots of traffic.”

            This is possibly the stupidest jump in logic i’ve heard since reading the post editorial this morning…

            LA is the 2nd largest city in the country. It buffered on either side by more than a million residents – no shit it’s going to have the second largest economy. This has nothing to do with traffic and the economic impact of congestion. It’s hard to imagine someone with any background in planning, real estate, economics, policy or even just a hs degree making such a faulty jump in logic.

        • R.Griffon

          > The momentum out of Arlington has already started.

          You say that like it’s a bad thing. Moving jobs away from the city center is what’s SUPPOSED TO happen. This antiquated notion that all the jobs should be in once geographic center, and that everyone should live far away and then drive together in the same direction twice daily is asinine.

          Rather, we have to build a collection of “mini-cities” that have a combination of industry, retail, and residential all in close proximity to one another in order to build sustainable communities where people can live, work, and shop locally. It’s not just green, but it provides a measurable increase in quality of life as people don’t sit in traffic for 2 hours a day.

          So let them move more of those jobs out along the Dulles corridor, and all the way out to Gainsville and Haymarket as well. Leesburg too. And if they do so, Arlington will be just fine. It isn’t in any jeopardy of running out of jobs anytime soon.

          • Lou

            I agree it’s good and inevitable. Just in the context of why Arlington is being a little bitch about slowing up people’s commute, it comes down to competition for dollars and doing anything you can to maintain your tax base.

          • Westover

            Jobs move these days, so the chance of being able to work and live in the same “mini-city” your whole life or even for three years in a row is not very high. So are you going to sell your house and move every two-three years? Most won’t. The centralized employment center is not as dead as some would like you to think.

          • R.Griffon

            You may not stay at the same job your whole life, but you also have the ultimate say in which jobs you take. If you can’t find a job in a major industrial center that employs thousands near you, then you’re probably just not that employable and you should take whatever you can get (and wherever) and be happy to have a job. Otherwise you should either be looking for something close to home, or accepting that your choice to commute a long distance is just that.

            And what jobs are you looking at that you think people have a low chance of staying for even 3 years? If you’re in a profession that re-assigns you every year or two (like the military), then you probably shouldn’t be buying a house in the first place.

          • Westover

            How about teachers who move schools, how about fire fighters who can hardly afford Arlington but could be moved all over Fairfax County. Today’s economy is not the same as twenty years ago. Our transportation needs are greater than what we had twenty years ago too.

          • Overgrown Bush

            Well, I guess that concept would work ok if you are a barrista at Starbucks with the option to work at any store in the DC area. Certainly, you’d not want to commute to schlep coffee. But, if you had some sort of specialty profession and moved near a facility in Reston with the expectation of staying, you’d buy a house. If something changed with your job, since you had a specialty profession, you may have only a few options of locations in the area to work. Thus, maybe you have to commute or sell your house which isn’t always feasible. I guess my point is, a barrista is likely very employable since there are Starbucks everywhere. But, the DC area is full of other highly trained professions. If you were a nuclear scientist, you likely only have a hand full of choices in the area but you are hardly “not that employable”.

          • jenn

            “If you can’t find a job in a major industrial center that employs thousands near you, then you’re probably just not that employable…”

            i just need to point out that this is entirely untrue. while the job market may be on the upswing, there are still plenty of entirely competent new and recent college grads having a terrible time finding full-time employment because while they are perfectly qualified, so are the other folks who have been laid off or left the job market within the past few years and are searching right along with them. they haven’t done anything wrong, and if they do find a job, they are forced into whatever the commute may be, especially as they may hope to only have that job for 6 months – 1 year as they gain the experience to make them look more appealing to the job that IS closer to home, or that is more aligned with their career goals.

            i’m lucky that i work in healthcare and was not severely affected by the economic downturn recently. not everyone is in my position of having completed an advanced clinical degree at just the right time, and i wouldn’t dare fault them for that. i know i was very fortunate in that sense.

        • http://www.greatergreaterwashington.org/joey Joey

          Momentum out of Arlington? The population’s growing every year. The commercial tax base is growing too (the primary reason our residential property taxes have been kept lower than many other areas). There are two spec office buildings under construction across the street from each other in Rosslyn!

          If there’s any outflowing momentum, neither the residents, the government, nor the private industry can sense it yet.

          (Incidentally, a report a few years ago — 2006 I think — showed that traffic counts and even some LOSs in Arlington had improved from 2000 to 2006 pre-recession, notwithstanding the increase in population and commercial activity, and very little road capacity was added during that time.)

          • Lou

            Actually, there is a parking garage and some Metro elevators under construction at the Rosslyn station. No financial commitment on the towers yet as far as I’ve heard. The Metro elevators are being paid for mostly by Arlington, BTW.

            Then you also can look at 800 Glebe, which stalled for about 6 months due to uncertainty about their financing. The uncertainty was caused when Northrop Grumman turned them down and opted to move to Merrifield instead or Arlington.

          • notahoo

            Lou – you are really uninformed, apparently on many topics according to folks on here, but really really uninformed on this particular topic.

          • Lou

            What did I say that was wrong? If I made a mistake, I’ll fully own up to it.

          • notahoo
          • jan

            It will be interesting to see if the top executive tier of NG also moves out to Merrifield, or chooses to occupy their trophy space with power views in Arlington

          • Lou

            They won’t say anything official yet, but they are most likely pulling out completely. The space is being softly marketed to new tenants.

          • Lou

            Yes, Monday is paying the first 30 to do excavation and build the garage. That’s about all they have. They do not have permanent financing for the rest of the building, nor do they have any commitments for leases that have been release publicly. Seeing that they do not have the building financed, that would indicate they do not have enough tenants signed up.

            I’m aware that there is an entire tower planned above the garage, and also the development across the street. I was correct in describing what is being built.

  • KalashniKEV

    I actually wanted the I-66 widening… BAD!

    • mehoo

      Doesn’t surprise me in the least.

    • Overgrown Bush

      If you live in Arlington and work in Tysons you want it bad as well, as an Arlington resident!

      • mehoo

        Sure, we all want something. I want a pony.

        • Overgrown Bush

          The pony might get you through I66 traffic a bit quicker.

          • mehoo

            Good point! And I’d be self-sufficient and making smart choices instead of just whiny and self-centered.

          • Overgrown Bush

            Some environmentalist will squash the idea. Although the pony may trim the grass on the shoulder of the road, it will also leave some stinky deposits along the way. Eventually they will conclude some car exhaust is better than horse crap stinking up the air and polluting the water. Oh, wait….. I think they already concluded this in the early 1900′s.

          • mehoo

            Really? Environmentalists think manure that fertilizes the earth is worse than exhaust that pollutes the air?

            Really?

          • CW

            They don’t like cow farts…big GHG contributor…

          • Overgrown Bush

            Actually, no they don’t. They don’t like the runoff that happens and the pollution it causes in water bodies. Chicken and pig farms are horrid polluters from the feces. There is a reason humans collect their waste, pump it and pipe it to a treatment plant.

          • mehoo

            Yes, manure has it’s problems too, if not managed properly. And cow burps (mostly it’s burps, not farts) does put out methane.

            But compared to car exhaust, it’s still a net winner.

            A bike is even better, and you never have a traffic problem!

          • Overgrown Bush

            Agreed on the bike mehoo. I’ll ride as much as I can, but I do stay away from the crazy commuters on it. They will run you over.

          • CW

            I can’t wait for spring to start riding my bike to work again…I was just talking to a coworker about this 5 minutes ago…I’m too much of a wimp to do it in the winter…

          • Burger

            You, not self-centered….snicker.

          • mehoo

            Feel free to make your case.

  • borf

    That guy Lee must be so ashamed. How can he look at himself in the mirror? Oh, wait, never mind.

    • Chad

      +1

    • duran nor duran

      well played…

  • BoredHouseWife

    Why do Fairfax and Prince William citizens think they a entitled to pollute my air?

    • Lou

      Because you chose to live near a Federal highway, which carries traffic from locations outside of your immediate neighborhood. If you do not want pollution, you should move away from people.

      • mehoo

        She doesn’t live near a new HOT lane. She was there first.

        • Lou

          The highway was there first. It’s like someone who moves near a hospital and complains about sirens.

          • mehoo

            The highway might have been there first (maybe not), but not the HOT lane.

          • Overgrown Bush

            There was an arguement some years back from people who lived near Dulles. They bought homes near a large international airport. When they decided to fly the Concorde into town all sorts of screaming happened and flight times and speeds were limited. Of course, there should be some consideration to people but….hello, you bought a house next to an international airport! The same arguement has happened with people who knowingly buy homes next to an industrial plant and then complain about truck traffic, dust, odors, etc. While there is some responsibility of the plant toward the citizens, there is a responsibility of the citizen to know what can happen when they buy a place near a major part of infrastructure.

          • Lou

            Well then I hope you never drive anywhere outside your driveway, lest you pollute the air of people who where there before you.

          • Lalaland

            you’re the one that brought up the “it’s your choice to live there” argument.

      • Lalaland

        What if I lived here before 66 was here? There was a time before that, you know.

        • Lou

          I know, I lived here then too. I actually live closer to 66 now then when it was first extended inside the beltway. I don’t spend all my day worrying about the pollution though. I would hate to think about the alternate condition along Wilson and Washington Boulevards without 66. I’m afraid it would mean a lot more pollution.

          • Lalaland

            I actually don’t care that my family has been here since before 66. It means that my house has gone up in value by 2000%. I just think it’s pointless to argue about who lived where first. Places change.

            In regards to pollution on Wilson or other “side” streets like Lee Highway, Wilson, Clarendon, Rt. 50, Washington, Fairfax, Glebe, etc.- Fairfaxers/Loudouners etc. have been threatening us with this for decades and really nothing has changed. On top of that, who cares if they’re using the roads, that’s what they’re meant for anyway. Besides, Rt. 7 on a weekend is more crowded than any of the above mentioned roads during rush hour.

        • CrankyMom

          If you lived here before 66, you would have been part of the years of anguish and fighting over that. A lot of Arlingtonians were very opposed to 66. Many people lost their homes, and it sliced up the county and changed the nature of many neighborhoods. Those of us who grew up in those times remember it well.

    • Overgrown Bush

      You must never leave Arlington, BHW. Otherwise, you’d be polluting some other county’s air. If you work in DC, what makes you think you are entitled to pollute the air there? If you drive out I66 west on a trip, why are you entitled to pollute Fairfax, Prince William, and Fauquier air? When you drive around in your plug-in Chevy Volt (to protect Arlington air), what gives you the right to pollute the air in West Virginia where the coal-fired power plant is producing the electricity you must use to protect Arlington air? Get off your high horse and realize we all live in the same region and on the same planet. One of those “entitled” Fairfax or Prince William people you talk of may just be your office neighbor who is working on a common goal with you. Oh, I forgot, you are a bored house wife with no real understanding of what it takes to get around the area.

      • CW

        If she drives out west “on a trip”, more than likely she is going to a destination somewhere and will contribute something to the destination’s economy.

        West Virginians choose to pollute their own air and sell us the electricity.

        There are shades of gray. Not everything is so black and white. You really don’t care what the magnitude of the roads built through the county would be? So you’re telling me that you wouldn’t mind living next to a steel mill versus living next to someone with a fireplace, since they both produce smoke?

        • Overgrown Bush

          Let’s say, I’m a restaurant owner in Shirlington Village, just off of I395 and I live in Fairlington just overlooking 395 (thus in the pollution zone). My business depends upon the local traffic, but gets a boost from commuters stopping in for dinner after work. Having additional access through the area may improve my business. In fact, if the average commute time drops, folks may linger around a little longer and spend a little more money. I would want that. If I drive through Arlington, I’m much more likely to spend some money at a restaurant, convenience store, etc. than if I take a train from the Vienna parking lot to DC. That is what adds to the Arlington economy.

          • CW

            And how will express lanes running through the county with no exits, designed solely for people who live outside the county, help this?

            Because a rich lawyer running home to his family and mansion in Fairfax at 6 PM is really going to pull off and hit the 7-eleven…

          • Lou

            Are you talking about the HOT lanes when you say express lanes with no exits to the County?

          • CW

            Effectively – I know that the implementation could vary, but by and large they would not invite people to get off inside the county – that would be contrary to their purpose!

          • Lou

            HOT lanes will include better access at Shirlington Circle (inbound and outbound), at Eads St, and I believe to JD Highway. The first and last serve areas Arlington has targeted as mixed-use commercial development areas, the middle serves one of the biggest employers.

            It’s just wrong to say they would only be for people passing through and would have no exits.

          • CW

            Thanks for the details on the original plan, but it looks like they won’t include much of anything now!

          • Lou

            If DC ever finishes their EIS for the 14th Street Bridge complex, which includes recommendations for carrying the HOT lanes all the way into DC, the 395 HOT lanes will be right back on the table.

          • duran nor duran

            okay… playing along with this economically irrelevant scenario (in the grand scheme of things this is not what will make or break the small number of local restaurants along 395, much less the county’s overall growth) but anyway…

            People don’t stop for dinner in the middle of their commute, unless… there’s really shitty traffic. so in your scenario, it would actually be in arlington’s best interest to not only block hotlines, but throw up some construction signs and maybe have a couple sirens going, even just on the shoulder.

  • duran nor duran

    the Washington Post is a joke. From driving the momentum towards going to war with Iraq to their early retirements and lackadaisical fact checking.

    ” In the process, though, Arlington may well have undercut its own economic interests by making it increasingly difficult for the county’s own employers to attract workers willing to brave traffic inside the Beltway.”

    This is one of the stupidest, least thought-out and baseless statements Post has made in awhile.

  • KalashniKEV

    Let’s not keep fighting over this. We should make them pay for “Streetcar to the Ghetto” in exchange for the I-66 lane widening. That’s a compromise in the style of the great 0ne that I think we can all live with.

    • mehoo

      For every person you convince, you repel 3 or 4.

    • AZZI9

      Ghetto today or million dollar condos in 10 years???

      • mehoo

        As soon as Kev saves up enough to escape the ghetto and that horrible streetcar, that’s when property values will skyrocket. He’ll be stuck in traffic somewhere in the far suburbs, on his way home to a new ghetto.

  • Arlwhenever

    When it’s not endorsing or promoting political candidates or playing the race card, the left-hand side of the WAPO editorial page can actually be pretty insightful. The Post was out in front in identifying the leadership failures at WMATA that eventually led to Chris Zimmerman’s resignation from Metro’s Board.

    Arlington’s petulant, self-serving posture on transportation matters pretty much assures that an additional 3 to 6 legislative seats in outlying swing legislative districts will go the other way in the next election rounds.

    And have fun paying for transportation improvements in Arlington with even less state help than was forthcoming in the past. By putting the squeeze on others, the Zimmerman’s and the Whipple’s are getting what they asked for and will get even more of what they don’t want.

    • CHouse

      I fail to see how not wanting to take land that could be used for commercial and residential purposes (and thus generating taxes) and creating extra highways specifically designed to get people THROUGH Arlington and to DC or counties further west makes Arlington petulant or self-serving. Has anyone blamed other counties for being self-serving by building too many new homes and office buildings without thinking about how people will get to and from them? I have serious doubts that freeing up traffic by creating more roads will somehow help Arlington small businesses attract more customers.

      The argument that the Tysons-Dulles corridor is going to be more attractive because of all the new commercial buildings has been said for years. There will always be a segment of the business sector that wants to stay close to DC, just as there is a segment that will move further out. Note that it was Fairfax growing a pair and creating a master plan for Tysons that will ultimately make working there attractive, and that that plan is directly linked to the development and funding of the Silver line…which Arlington supported.

      • AZZI9

        +1000

      • Westover

        Note USA Today’s HQ is no longer in Rosslyn, but in Tysons. If a news organization wants to move out from the news center of the world, think about what other businesses are going to think if their employees can’t get to the office in Arlington without a two hour commute.

        • AZZI9

          So… now Arlington is caught in between two powerful economic centers of the area linked by the Silver Line. Sounds like a Master Plan that means business. You’re against this why? Who cares about the commute. This area is building just like Arlington’s Ballston-Clarendon corridor. Tyson’s will spend billions to copy what Arlington started.

          • Westover

            Yup, and I want to make sure the infrasturcture is in place to handle the growing load. The Silver Line on its own will be at capacity the day it opens since it will still be only single track in each direction and add further load to the Orange Line inside East Falls Church.

          • AZZI9

            Great… Silver Line to move the masses is OK with me but more roads is not. I thought that’s what this article was about.

          • Westover

            I want both because we NEED both.

          • AZZI9

            Ok. We need both. But billions on a road to DC??? Follow the money West… where is NOVA spending its money… It’s not DC, DC is old news.

          • Westover

            Many many many people are still EARNING their money in DC and that will only continue.

          • Lou

            DC is old news? Wow, some people will fling anything on the wall just to prolong an argument.

          • AZZI9

            Lou. Show me growth in DC that is equal to or comes close to what NOVA is seeing. And I hope you’re not going to say that we need to increase infrastructure to an area that is already developed versus one that is expected to grow?

          • Lou

            Well, there’s all the construction around the Rhode Island Metro, Canal Park in SE, Progression Place, Highland Park in Columbia Heights, CityCenter, etc. There’s all kinds of new development going on in DC. Just because they do not have big 10 acre tracts sitting around for a new corporate office park like you would see in NOVA does not mean they are stagnant on growth.

            Is Arlington “old news” because there is more growth planned outside the Beltway?

          • Westover

            The heart of Downtown has gone through a redevelopment that Arlington will never touch over the last fifteen years, and it is still continuing. You must either be new to the area, or have not visited DC in 20 years to not see this. Even in today’s economy cranes dot the skyline.

          • Overgrown Bush

            Cranes dot the skyline…but what’s the vacancy rate? Has development really been the big success they thought it would be down by the Nats stadium? It doesn’t seem that way to me. Maybe in time….

          • Westover

            I was not talking about that section of town, but even by the stadium things are picking back up with DOT all moved in and the economy starting to recover. Downtown there is little trouble with occupancy from what I see, there was enough demand even at the peak of the recession to break ground on the huge project at 17th/Conneticut Ave and K St. And they will be breaking ground soon on the block across H st. from the Verizon Center. Anyone that thinks DC is dead is not paying attention.

          • AZZI9

            That’s not growth. They’re replacing older buildings of similar size with newer buildings of similar size. Maybe a bit bigger.

          • Westover

            No they are buildings that are a lot bigger downtown, and they are taking row houses and putting up highrises in Chinatown. And in the SE area near the stadium you will see exponential growth over the next half decade, in fact you will probably see more office space built there than currently exists in the Ballston-Rosslyn Corridor.

          • AZZI9

            You’re naming individual developments which equals very little growth and I’m talking about the entire dulles corridor growing. Again, no comparison… Also, why should I care what’s going on in DC when we have our own growth areas here in NOVA. Spending money for a road that leads out of state is asinine…. Smart growth along the dulles corridor…. Smart growth along the dulles corridor…

          • Westover

            Dulles Cooridor currently has tons of empty space.

      • david

        Our company is considering moving from the B-R corridor out to Reston or Tysons. This is because the majority of our employees are tired of having to deal with the HOV restrictions inside the beltway.

        • AZZI9

          That’s fine… What do you think will happen to the Arlington corridor with two massive economic engines on either side of it. Are we just going to shrink into nothingness? Doubt it. BTW your company is moving probably because its an opportunity to get into the ground floor of a development area. I’m pretty sure the rent on Class A office space in Ballston is pretty steep. Everybody is looking for deals these days. Nothing wrong with that.

        • mehoo

          So you and everyone else moves out there to where there are no such restrictions – and you think traffic will be better?

          • david

            I have no say in the move. I don’t want it to happen since it will likely triple my commute but I wanted to point it out that it is happening. We’re also a company that Arlington would not want to lose.

          • mehoo

            Okay, so your company’s management thinks that?

      • Arlwhenever

        Your failure to see why Arlington’s positions on transportaton matters are self-serving proves my point better than I could every possibly do on my own.

        • AZZI9

          It is self serving, when it comes to widening roads. But look at the cooperation when it comes to the Silver Line.

        • CHouse

          You would be hard-pressed to find an altruistic county out there. Essentially, you have self-serving counties who want to build more roads through Arlington in order to get people from outside areas to them easier, and then you have Arlington being self-serving because it would rather not lose land simply to help drivers.

          I am curious as to what your point actually is. Is it that Arlington should not have blocked the road development because someone thought that more roads were the only transportation solution? That by blocking it you’ll have angry folks in Richmond with a blood vendetta who will refuse to send any money to Arlington?

      • Janel

        +1001.

  • Southeast Ben

    Lee is a Republican from western NY. People care because he should be held to higher standards being placed in the limelight as he wished. He also ran on strong family and morals. He’s a spoiled brat it seems like. It seems like all of these politicians feel they can get away with everything nowadays. What a moron though…replying to a craigslist ad with his own picture and name?

  • BrownFlipFlops

    Well, “an upscale Pentagon City department store,” rules out Macys!

    ba-dum-bump.

  • MC

    The WaPo editorial was poorly argued. It claimed that Arlington’s self interest was being undermined by opposing HOT lanes but never actually showed how. Arlingtonians won’t use the HOT lanes or any scheme that’s intended to get people to DC: we don’t need it. Sure some people might like an easier commute from Arlington to Tyson’s but that’s never going to be the priority of any new highway initiative, and it will never make Tyson’s easy to navigate.

    The Washington Post is dominated by DC folks who are afraid that as people choose to live further and further away from DC, they will stop wanting to work in DC. All that office space with no one interested in working in it.

    Arlington’s office market is small compared to DC or Tysons/Reston. The Silver LIne will make it easier for people to go between both these markets, so Arlington is well positioned for organizations that need a swivel location.

    • Westover

      We have had a fair amount of Washington Post writers, editors, and executives living right here in Arlington County. I think they are sick of being stuck in traffic too.

      • amsa

        It’s a good thing that building more highways will solve all traffic problems until the end of time, then.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand

        • Westover

          What do you think is going to happen to the Silver Line the day it opens? Have you tried to get a seat on an Orange Line train passing through the county M-F 6am-10am? It is impossible, it is tough just to find standing room.

          • CHouse

            The Silver line could very well be at max capacity by the time it hits Arlington, but one thing to note is that people getting on at the Herndon-Monroe stop might get off at Tysons or somewhere west of DC. At this point all we can really do is speculate as to how people will move in and out of the new line.

            I commute to DC during the week, and while there are times in which I have to wait another couple of minutes for an overly full train, I have never given up and decided to drive. If the concern is that the Metro cars won’t hold enough people, push for longitudinal seating and more places to hold onto.

          • CW

            As a side item, has anyone from metro ever proposed turning around trains at falls church, similar to what they do on the red line? I realize it would only shave a couple stops off, but I wish that there was a way to make it somewhat fair to people who live closer in during the workday commutes. It sucks that, by virtue of living closer to work, we automatically get displaces by megacommuters who drive their cars to vienna and then take up a seat that displaces 4 standing passengers from the R-B corridor.

          • CW

            I can’t type but you know what I’m saying….ugh, why can’t they hurry up and get this site to a real forum format, with editable posts and real live usernames?

          • http://www.arlnow.com ARLnow.com

            We’re finalizing a contract to make that happen. Shhhh, don’t tell anyone.

          • Overgrown Bush

            Vienna’s parking is severely limited, so large growth there won’t happen unless/until there is improvement in parking or ease of pedestrian/bike access to the station is made.

          • Westover

            They used to introduce a fresh train between every other train at West Falls Church in the mornings. I have been told this is no longer done.

          • Lou

            They still do some. The trains labeled “Stadium Armory” originate from WFC I believe.

          • CW

            That would be sweet if they did that. Sadly, the only time I’ve seen the Stadium-Armory-bound trains has been when the above-ground stations were closed due to snow.

          • Laser Pointer

            I have found driving, even in traffic, to be much quicker than taking the train. If Metro could somehow improve travel time then traffic on the roads might not be as bad.

        • Westover

          Also, the HOT lanes, ie tools for use, which the County Board so opposed is one of the best ways to deal with the Induced Demand theory.

          • CHouse

            How does it mitigate induced demand? The HOT lanes were designed to increase road capacity. Some people want more capacity, and may not drive because it takes too long. You open up the new lanes, people decide to drive, the lanes fill up…and we’re back at square one. That’s exactly what induced demand is: you increase the supply of something, and people wind up consuming more because there is more supply.

          • Westover

            No, the HOT lanes would add lanes while regulating use through tolls with the intent of discouraging peak time use. Tolls are usually the first option brought up in discussions on how to mitigate “induced demand” in terms of transportation.

          • mehoo

            All transportation induces demand, even Metro. The problem is what kind of demand, i.e. what kind of development. HOT lanes don’t change the same old low-density, car-dependent development patterns that clog our roads. They simply make it possible to build one less lane because they put two people in each car instead of one. That’s progress, I guess, but it won’t last.

            What people really don’t seem to get is that with low density sprawl, commutes are going to take a long long time even if the roads aren’t clogged, simply because new housing must go further and further away to find empty land.

          • Westover

            All of that outter development is low density. There are a lot of new town houses going up.

          • mehoo

            Did you mean to say not all is low density?

            The townhouses that go up are still completely dependent on cars. They may be a little higher density, but they can’t take advantage of it. Townhouses aren’t worth much without a town.

          • Westover

            Yes, I meant to say; not all is low density.

            Actually there are folks who live in the townhouses in Loudoun County and take the commuter buses into town or to the West Falls Church Metro. In fact it is a pretty higher percentage of the folks in the townhomes. Those folks are taking mass transit but would not mind a wider I-66 so that their bus is not crawling on the Dulles Access/Toll Road Connector.

          • amsa

            I’d be all for turning all highways through Arlington into toll roads, but I’m fairly certain that the now-abandoned plans for 395 included expansion of road capacity, not just installation of tollbooths. The plans for expansion of 66 certainly does.

            And if the orange line is overcapacity (because you can’t find an empty seat), well, frankly that has about as much relevance to this discussion as the price of tea in China. Maybe if trains (or streetcars) are effective at moving more people without creating external delays for others like increased traffic, teh region should consider building more of that kind of infrastructure, no?

          • Laser Pointer

            The thing is, it does take longer to take the train. People drive, even in traffic, because they either have to because there is no train service or because they choose to because it takes LONGER by train. Improving the existing train service should be the FIRST step. Metro is so screwed up and we hope to hang our hat on them? We’re doomed!

  • C’mon

    What a snotty story, ArlNow/ NY Post. How does her job have anything to do with the Congressman’s alleged misdeeds? Many private citizens are doing whatever they can to stay/ get in the black in a down economy, some by working at malls. If she’s paying her bills, more power to her.

    As a married public official, his judgment in posting a profile on Craigslist is questionable and one wonders how focused he is on his job, given all the personal drama he seems to be seeking out. But let’s leave the private citizens and their jobs out of it.

    • http://www.arlnow.com ARLnow.com

      Our focus was that she worked in Pentagon City. I think the Post’s focus was that she was having relations with a married Congressman. Not sure how you’re seeing classism here.

    • Westover

      I don’t see how the story mocks anyone’s occupation. Michaele Salahi was a makeup girl at Tyson’s Nordstrom’s and now look at where she is in society….well bad example….but, it is just a fact that that is what she did. Would it be bragging on her if she had been a powerful and rich lobbyist and they stated that?

    • mehoo

      Yeah, where’d you get the idea that she was being bashed for working at a mall? You read alot into the story that just isn’t there.

    • Worktron

      Yeah- agree with Lurkdom here- our friend ARLnow was just posting the news. I didn’t sense any “statement” was being made, nor do I think the Post was mocking her in any fashion. Lots of people work at the mall- many for the extra cash and the perks that can come with the job (re: employee discount).

  • Set the controls

    “…upscale Pentagon City department store.” That narrows it down-that Macy’s is a dump.

  • Bill

    Where can I meet these whores?

  • Deb

    Well…I live in the shadow of I66 and applaud the BOARD! All of you Fairfax folks…get off the ARLnow website…go start your own.

  • Westover

    I don’t think you are giving away State Secrets if you identify that helicopter as Marine One.

    Semper Fi!

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