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UPDATED: Gun Recovered After Fight Near Career Center

by ARLnow.com — February 14, 2012 at 4:59 pm 3,720 47 Comments

(Updated at 9:05 a.m. on 2/15/12) A fight broke out outside the Arlington Career Center (816 S. Walter Reed Drive) Tuesday afternoon, and one of the suspects was armed.

Just after 3:15 p.m. police received a call for a fight on the 800 block of S. Highland Street, near the Career Center. By the time officers arrived school security already had two suspects in custody, according to Arlington County Police spokesman Dustin Sternbeck.

Security had also removed a handgun from the waistband of one of the suspects involved in the fight. The weapon and five rounds of ammunition were secured by police, Sternbeck said.

The fight started when a former student drove by a group of current Career Center students and recognized one of the individuals as someone he had a previous encounter with, according to police.

“The adult male subject stopped the vehicle he was driving, got out of the car and approached the group of students. He was heard saying he had a gun and was reaching for it when the fight broke out between the two parties,” said Sternbeck. “The subject with the gun, Jimmy Salazar-Alfaro, 24, of Arlington, was charged with Assault. He was also giving a banning notice and barred from school property.”

Salazar-Alfaro had a valid Virginia concealed carry permit, Sternbeck said.

  • Rick

    I wonder if all the cops flying down Quincy Street around 3p were for that, or the stink bomb at the mall.

  • nunya

    nothing says valentines like a fight and a gun.

  • CW

    Non-story, just a citizen exercising his constitutional right, as I’m sure we will soon hear…

    • Yeah

      I sometimes wonder in what capacity a person would ever use a gun outside of shooting someone entering their home. If you are getting robbed on the street are you allowed to pull out a gun and shoot the other person? I never knew what the law on this was.

      • truth be told

        You would use a gun if you were the robber!

        As for being the one robbed, you may make a case for self defense if the suspect is shot in the right place and he/she is holding a weapon. At least you could claim self defense. Otherwise, you’ll be in the pokie.

        • Yeah

          So that leads me to wonder why anyone would need to carry a gun outside their home.

        • Trank the Fank

          You are allowed to use deadly force if you feel your life is in danger. If someone is robbing you on the street, I’m pretty you get carte blanche to pop his ass unless he, beforehand, signs a sworn, honest-to-god, cross-my-heart, promise that all he wants is your wallet and that he otherwise won’t hurt you. And does so on his grandmother’s (may she rest in peace) soul.

      • Zoning Victim

        That depends on the situation, but if you’re asking if you can use deadly force to protect property, then the answer is no. However, if anyone presents a clear threat of killing you or causing you to suffer severe bodily harm (and rape constitutes severe bodily harm), then you can use deadly force; this applies to the defense of others, too.

        You don’t carry a gun (or any weapon) to protect the little bit of cash you have on you or your pride; you carry a weapon to protect yourself from death or serious injury, and you simply never know when you may be the victim of a violent crime.

        Why would anyone use a gun outside of the home? Because there were 1,318,400 violent crimes in 2009 (latest figures I could find at Census Bureau) and all but 140,600 of those occurred in metropolitan areas.

        People always focus on robbery or other felony crime (rape, carjacking, etcetera) when talking about self-defense situations, but the data shows that you are far more likely to be killed by someone over an argument than to be killed during the commission of a felony. In fact, the largest single category of murder circumstance (by three fold over the second largest category) is “Other arguments.”

        • Banksy

          In argument situations, how often is a gun actually used in self-defense as opposed to escalating a situation? If you threaten to punch me, do I have a right to pull out my gun and shoot you? Or should I simply walk away?

          I always remember an incident in Arkansas, when two elderly men got into an argument in a diner (over, of all things, whether or not their town should have a sewer system). They actually agreed to “take things outside” and fight it out. One guy punches the other. The other takes out his handgun (he was a CCW holder) and shoots the other guy dead. Law-abiding citizen exercising his Second Amendment rights. Yeah, right.

    • SomeGuy

      CW, I know you’re being facetious, but the way the story’s written, you are partially correct. This story makes no mention of how the gun played a role in this fight. So while the fight itself is news, recovery of a gun or a pack of cigarettes or a piece of bubblegum presents like an extraneous detail.

      • KalashniKEV

        +1

        Breaking News… “Breakfast purchased by armed man!”

        Details after our story on “speeding ticket issued to man with chapstick!”

        • Ed

          It says:

          “He was heard saying he had a gun and was reaching for it when the fight broke out between the two parties”

          So I would say that the gun did play a role in the fight. Maybe you (SomeGuy and Kalash) want to say that it was a not a big role, since no shots were fired, but it still did play a role. That guy may not have stopped and come out of his car at all if he had no gun. You don’t know, and neither do I; but the gun did play a role.

          • Curious George

            The original article posted yesterday did now have all the details from this morning’s update. So SomeGuy’s post was accurate based on the information at the time.

            At least the bendejo with the gun will now have a criminal record and his CCW will be pulled. The rules are pretty clear about brandishing and concealed carry on school property.

            Of course he probably would have been carrying even if he was a felon. This guy does not seem all that bright.

          • SomeGuy

            Ed, note that parts of the story include the word “Updated.” Last night when I commented, the only info provided about the gun was that a gun was discovered and secured by police.

          • KalashniKEV

            I posted at 8:51 before the article was edited at 9:05 to add the relevance.

          • Ed

            Kalash and SomeGuy, even if all I know is that “there was a fight” and “a gun was recovered,” I assume that the gun may have been acting like a stimulant, or steroids, etc., causing someone to act more hostile than he would without the gun. That’s the problem with everyone carrying, as I see it . . . obviously we’re going to disagree on this one.

          • KalashniKEV

            Is this a joke post?

            I’m not sure if you’re serious…

          • SomeGuy

            Ed, I believe the problem is with your perception. I’m sure the police officers on the scene had guns when they showed up too, but I don’t prejudge those guys to have hostile tendencies until they demonstrate such tendencies (which some do). Nor do I assume that the officers caused an escalation of violence by merely carrying their firearms to a call.

            Do you perceive all citizens who possess a means to harm you to also possess the motive?

          • KalashniKEV

            I still assume that Ed is making a joke… unless he actually thinks guns have evil spirits in them that can posses you and turn you into a violent criminal.

      • CW

        Yeah, I was being facetious initially, but then I realized that I’d created a statement that folds in on itself. My statement actually is true up until the person becomes a criminal.

  • Cherrydaler

    Was this a “career criminal”? Couldn’t resist.

    • Louise

      LOL!

  • mcfly

    I’m glad I left the Career Center today when I did…

  • awh hells bells

    This story is somewhat unsettling as it takes place on APS property. Were the suspects high school students or staff at the Career Center?

    • thelevyisdry

      Seriously, the elementary is right across the street.

      Now I am wondering how many other gun toting thugs attend the career center. Hopefully just one idiot, but why do I think that is not the case. I’m sure there are some hardworking deserving students there. Somebody make me feel better.

      • Henry

        Sounds like this guy was an ex-student.

        As a past Career student, though, there were a number of folks who clearly did not want to be in school, and who fancied themselves “gangsta” or what have you. I would like to think there were no guns there when I was in the building, but it’s hard to know for sure.

  • BC

    Did he get the job?

  • Wilbur

    +1 to APS staff for successfully handing the situation. The staff and faculty at the Career Center are some of the best in the county.

    Wow. This is horrible.

  • brendan

    sounds like they’re doing a good job screening for conceal and carry permits…

    • KalashniKEV

      This is a “Shall Issue” state… the “screening” is quite simple.

      • Banksy

        And that’s the problem…

        • KalashniKEV

          Love it or leave it! There’s a place for like minded folks right across the river…

          • Banksy

            “Love it or leave it!” — that’s a laugh coming from one of the biggest gripers on ARLNow!

            I love Arlington. I just wish it weren’t part of Virginia sometimes.

          • CW

            It wasn’t during “some[-]times” before 1846! :)

  • Narlington

    Does it appear to be gang related, a few weeks ago a person was stabbed near Gunston and I think that was gang related.

  • JimPB

    Individual “justice” with a permitted concealed gun almost occurred.

  • SteveM

    What is even more troubling is the career center shares a parking lot with my son’s elementary school. The fact that someone can legally have a concealed gun in an elemntary school parking lot is beyond the pale. Nothing, I mean nothing, good can come from that. The benefit of not having guns on school property far outweighs the cost of less freedom to pack heat.

    • Curious George

      I would expect that the only deadly weapon that would cause a problem in your son’s elementary school parking lot is a car.

    • Marc

      If you have a CHP, you can carry a gun while in a car in a school parking lot. It is a felony to get out of the car with the gun. Doesn’t make much sense, especially since if you are intending to commit violence with a gun, a law against illegal carry isn’t going to stop you.

      • KalashniKEV

        …and that’s when you’ll be saying:
        1) Didn’t he read the law? No guns allowed! Maybe we should post it somewhere…
        2) Gee, I wish I brought my gun with me.

      • CW

        But can you fire out the window?

        • KalashniKEV

          If deadly force criteria are met, yes.

  • http://saw saw

    i go to that skool and i heard he was pulling it out when the frinds of the guy who got in fight started jumping him before he pulled out the guy but he did and securities from the skool came behind him and tackled him

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