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by ARLnow.com | December 20, 2012 at 8:50 am | 3,309 views | 126 Comments

Budget Cuts May Hurt Local Economic Growth — With looming budget cuts and the possible implications of the fiscal cliff, the D.C. area economy is starting to look more vulnerable and more like the rest of the country, according to economists. The federal government and information job categories have seen losses recently, and slower economic growth is expected over the next two decades. [Sun Gazette]

Residents Still Wary of Homeless Shelter — Residents have of the Woodbury Heights condominium in Courthouse, who have been speaking out against the county’s planned year-round homeless shelter at 2020 14th Street N., have been working with Arlington and its contractors on changes to the design of the building. Residents want the entrance to the shelter to be as far away from their building as possible. One homeless advocate, frustrated with the residents’ continued opposition to the shelter, called the attendees at a recent community meeting “the biggest group of snobs I’ve ever seen.” [Patch]

Library Recommends Audiobooks for Holiday Trips — Arlington Public Library has some recommendations for family-friendly audiobooks to make your holiday road trip go faster. [Arlington Public Library]

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  • Snob

    Please Woodbury Heights Residents, stop giving us a bad name!

    • Buckwheat

      I resemble that remark!

      Arlington should sell the building, set up a foundation with the money, and fund tickets to bus all the homeless to a nice southern climate – say Panama.

      • South Awwlington

        I wonder what said “DC homeless advocate” does for a living?

        I wonder also if he would like to extol the virtues of the DC homeless shelter at 2nd and D Sts NW? Typically three or four DC cops stationed outside…had one of the residents charge at my car while waiting on the traffic light to change…Yes, let’s talk about this, shall we?

        A friend who is DCFD tells me they are called in daily for non-existent emergencies…tax dollars wasted.

        I don’t think the idea of a homeless shelter is a bad one. I am glad it isn’t next door to my property and if you think it is going to be all sunshine and rainbows, I would highly suggest the soon to be new neighbors of Woodbury Heights haul the County Staff and A-SPAN folks over to 2nd and D Sts NW for an eye opening.

        And yes, my office is only a few blocks away. I see it everyday.

        • Marie Antoinette

          Let them eat cake!

        • Courthouse

          Considering that the folks at A-SPAN currently run a homeless shelter, I don’t think they need to be shown what the one on 2nd and D looks like…

          • drax

            It’s not for them.

          • South Awwlington

            I think they do as an example of what the neighbors don’t want and probably fear.

          • Courthouse

            Or the neighbors could walk 2 blocks up the street to the current winter shelter on 15th.

          • South Awwlington

            If you don’t want these folks to witness the goings-on at other regional shelters, I’d say you have concerns and we both know what they are as I am sure you have seen the mess at 2nd and D. Don’t let the secret out. Shh.

  • Captain_Obvious

    Snobs in Arlington ?? No way !! Say it ain’t so

    • Obvious

      “It ain’t so”

      • Captain_Obvious

        oh, it be so.

        • Obvious

          You only asked me to say it…..I wasn’t making any judgement about the “veracity” of the statement…..I leave that to a higher pay grade !!

          • Captain_Obvious

            Do you take everything in life so literally and seriously ?

  • CW

    Wait, a federal budget cut might hurt the D.C. economy? I’m not very good at economics; I don’t understand – could somebody explain for me?

  • Taylor

    Of course, because only snobs would be wary of homeless drug addicts being housed a block away from them.

    • CourthouseChris

      Pretty slick how you slipped drug addicts in there. Have some respect, these are fellow humans. I guarantee you there are rich drug addicts in Woodbury Heights.

      • KalashniKEV

        I’ll throw in “Violent Sex Offenders” too.

        This shelter project is NOT going to be allowed to move forward. We will fight it until it goes away.

        • Billy Churchill

          We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender

      • Obvious

        Rich drug addicts don’t have to rob other people to support their habits ………

        • Deep Thinker

          Solution: give addicts lots of money.

        • Josh S

          But they do it nonetheless.

  • Tuesdayschild

    So a homeless “advocate” is dismissive of people that work hard, save their money, invest in a home and pay taxes. No surprise there. The county board is the same way.

    • Wednesdayschild

      Plus their “self-centered” obnoxious attitude. And I love your unnecessary “ad hominem” attacks on the Board. You go girl!

  • Swag

    “One homeless advocate [...] called the attendees at a recent community meeting ‘the biggest group of snobs I’ve ever seen.’”

    You must be new here. Welcome to Arlington.

    • drax

      Come to DC and see what it’s like outside a shelter. I wouldn’t want to live near one, and I’m pretty confident that I’m not a snob about the homeless.

      • B22201

        Yeah, you’re always the one that gets all upset when we say anything about not helping everyone out there in the World.

        • drax

          I say nothing of the sort.

          It’s funny that after all this time you still don’t get it, but I don’t care if you don’t help the homeless. I only object to treating them like animals and calls for rounding them up and throwing them out of the county. You should actually read what I say for once.

          • KalashniKEV

            It’s time these fellows were sent on their way.

          • drax

            It’s time you learn that we are not a fascist state, Kev.

        • JackFan

          +100000000000…∞

          • JackFan

            Meant for B22201

      • Captain_Obvious

        and you were railing on people here who were opposed to the shelter too…

        • drax

          No I wasn’t.

          I was railing on people who want to treat the homeless like subhumans. I have never once criticized someone for opposing a shelter.

      • South Awwlington

        2 and D? Sounds like we might have more in common than we thought. :)

  • Whatever

    I always look for “low barrier homeless shelter” in property decriptions when purchasing a property.

    BTW, the adovocate is from DC and does not live in Arlington, pay taxes in the county or vote in the county.

    • snob

      He really needs to buy froyo in the county and do pilates in the county to understand how we feel.

    • CourthouseChris

      Hey, I do all of those things in the County that you mention – this advocate speaks for me.

      • ArlRes

        +1000

    • KalashniKEV

      He was a plant. They should have identified him and barred him from entering the meeting.

      • Peoples Foliage Revolutionary Front

        Check everybody’s backgound and bar people from entering a community meeting who might have a different opinion…nice idea……in the third reich perhaps

        • fuzzy

          bar individuals who do not live in Arlington County

        • drax

          Uh-oh, you’re onto Kev…

        • KalashniKEV

          If you’re not in the community, you don’t need to be in the community meeting. Someone should have shown him the door and given him a swift kick in the backside.

          • drax

            Says the guy who wants to throw out people who ARE part of the community too.

  • novasteve

    Why doesn’t that homeless advocate and the board promise to make themselves personally responsible for any crimes committed by their pet homeless people?

    • drax

      Because it’s a shelter, not a prison?

      • steve

        so If i invited a bunch of pedophiles to a certain area since it’s a shelter and not a prison, it’s okay?

        • pppppedo

          Party at Steve’s house! BYOB?

          • on noez

            Bring Your Own Boy?

        • CourthouseChris

          Yeah, Steve, the freedom of association is a constitutionally protected right. You can invite your support group wherever you like.

        • JOsh S

          Ummm, yes? Is this a trick question?
          You can invite whoever you want.

    • Josh S

      You must be Superman, Steve, cause the leaps you make are truly astounding sometimes.

    • South Awwlington

      It would be interesting to see a map with Board Members’ and County Staffs’ homes mapped in proximity to this building…and probably the same for other large or controversial projects.

      • KalashniKEV

        It would be *really* interesting to dump a few hundred Bums a block away from their house and have them pay for the privilege.

        • DCBuff

          Interesting idea Kev, but please no. I have one of the ArlCo board clowns a block away, so I’ve already got at least one bum nearby.

      • Josh S

        Given how small the county is, it actually probably wouldn’t be that interesting.

        • South Awwlington

          Everything is relative.

  • Deadite

    These are all valid concerns on the part of the residents. I work near the homeless shelter on 2nd and D NW and there are always several to dozens of extremely shady-looking people hanging around outside the building, all day long. Non-homeless people don’t go anywhere near it — it’s like Mad Max.

    • JamesE

      Thunderdome?

      • Deadite

        Ha yes, thanks! On second thought, it more resembles The Road. Ever see that movie?

    • Courthouse

      I work across the street from the current emergency winter shelter in Courthouse, and have never had a problem.

      • KalashniKEV

        I *live* down the block- it is a CONSTANT problem.

        • drax

          A problem to you isn’t the same thing as a problem to normal people though.

          • novasteve

            I’m so tolerant! People who don’t agree with me are abnormal, but if someone else calls people abnormal, it’s HATE SPEECH! You have to agree with me or else you are a hateful bigot!

          • drax

            Hey, steve? The “tolerance” thing is really, really, really old. It was always preposterously stupid, but now it’s also old.

        • novasteve

          HATE SPEECH!!!! You shouldn/t be allowd to have views I don’t approve of! We’re building that bum shelter with your money and you’ll like it or I’ll call you a bigot!

          • Josh S

            Actually, nobody ever said you had to like it.
            But, on the bigot front, if the shoe fits……

          • drax

            Um, steve? He can talk all he wants–and I can criticize his views all I want. Free speech doesn’t mean you can say things without being criticized for them. You sound like a 9-year-old with this stuff. Grow up.

    • CourthouseChris

      Please do tell us what “extremely shady-looking people” look like. This will be enlightening.

      You do know what you sound like, right?

      • Captain_Obvious

        You know shady when you see it.

        • DCBuff

          There you go again, quoting the Supremes.

          • Captain_Obvious

            How’d that Xmas argument work out for you yesterday ?

        • Slim Shady

          I’m Slim Shady, yes I’m the real Shady
          All you other Slim Shadys are just imitating
          So won’t the real Slim Shady please stand up,
          please stand up, please stand up?

      • Buckwheat

        A normal concerned hard working citizen that does not want to be intimidated or robbed by people not familiar with the 8th and 10th Commandments.

        • Josh S

          Wh-what? The first time I read your comment, I sort of skimmed by it because I thought it said Amendments.
          But, Commandments? You mean, like, from the Bible?
          Would you be OK if you were intimidated or robbed by people who *were* familiar with the 8th and 10th Commandments?
          What do the Commandments have to do with anything?

        • CourthouseChris

          I find it especially ironic you invoke the bible here. Doesn’t that book have a lot more to say about the treatment of the poor and less fortunate? Or are you more of a buffet style Christian, picking and choosing among what suits your own particular needs and prejudices best?

      • South Awwlington

        Meet us at 2nd and D st NW at noon, if you dare. Then you can see for yourself??

        • ArlRes

          I see, and your proof that these people and this shelter will be just like that one? Especially since none of this goes on at the existing shelter. Argument by analogy = phallacy.

          • Deadite

            “phallacy” ? Got male genitalia on the mind, do we?

          • South Awwlington

            Argument by like facility within the same region = comparable…just like real estate.

            Are you really going to argue that the land of Milk and Honey, AKA Arlington, is SOOOOO well versed in running shelters, they have so many and all, that they have best practices down pat? Riiiight.

            Again, not an enemy of the idea but it is not going to be Busch Gardens outside, no matter what flavor Kool-Aid ASAP and Arlington are serving.

          • South Awwlington

            *ASPAN*

      • Deadite

        Dirty, unwashed, unkempt, angry look on face, missing teeth, sitting on dirt/pile of garbage, muttering to self, yelling to self, yelling at others. Shall I go on? Take a trip over to 2nd and D and see for yourself, smart guy.

        Good effort trying to paint me in the racism corner, though.

        • sports fan

          Sounds more like the crowd at Baileys during NCAA games.

          • CW

            OK now THAT is funny!

          • Deadite

            Convert the Ballston mall (or at least the ground floor) into a homeless shelter. They already live around there anyway. Boom, done.

        • CourthouseChris

          Deadite, thank you. That was, as I predicted, enlightening. Your words do more for my argument than I ever could.

          • drax

            Enough, Chris.

          • Deadite

            You don’t think any of the behavior I described can be characterized as shady? Does someone actually need to pull a knife on you before you consider them suspicious looking?

            Please do tell us, o enlightened one.

          • drax

            Calling shady people “shady” is racist!

          • CourthouseChris

            Deadite, you have presented us with a hyperbolic representation of the homeless – a caricature that poorly represents the future inhabitants of this shelter. You have demonstrated that you fears are not founded in reason – but in simple ignorance.

          • Deadite

            Spoken like a true bourgeois liberal. Care to invite some of these characters into your home for Christmas dinner, then?

          • Deadite

            And another thing, Chris — it’s not hyperbole when it’s the truth. Sorry, but the people outside the shelter in DC are dirty, smelly, angry, violent and clearly have mental problems. I wish it weren’t the case but it is. There’s no way to sugarcoat it, pal.

          • Thes

            “Deadite, you have presented us with a hyperbolic representation of the homeless – a caricature that poorly represents the future inhabitants of this shelter. You have demonstrated that you fears are not founded in reason – but in simple ignorance.” — actually, Deadite was doing the opposite, he/she was describing actual observations in the real world at 2nd and D. And when I pass by that corner, it’s what I see, too.

          • drax

            I wonder how many beds are in the DC shelter vs. this proposed one, and how overcrowded the DC one is. It’s hard to compare the two.

          • Josh S

            A “true bourgeois liberal?” What is this, 1789 France? I shudder to think whose writings you have been studying to come up with that one.

          • Josh S

            I’m not sure it was a “hyperbolic representation” so much as a gross generalization. Without comment on what goes on at 2nd and D in DC, I think it’s fairly safe to say that the homeless population includes a much wider swath of humanity than simply the mentally deranged or those with criminal intent. There are plenty of homeless people who have jobs, for example. One cannot simply assume that the situation in the proposed shelter in Arlington would mimic that seen elsewhere.
            Repeating the stories of what is observed at 2 and D seems very much like fearmongering in this instance, especially when Arlington already has experience with homeless shelters and I’m not aware that they regularly include these kinds of gruesome scenes.

          • South Awwlington

            Instead of preaching, perhaps you would come and see for yourself…for once? No, wait a minute. Forget that.

      • South Awwlington

        @CourthouseChris – make sure you METRO to Union Station and walk over ALONE to get the full affect. Besides, if you drove the pan-handlers would be out em-mass, surrounding your car – as I am sure even you would roll up the windows and lock the doors. – Trus Story, happened this morning.

        And seriously, I don’t have a dog in the race. I do feel for fellow Arlingtonians ever day I drive through that mess and pray Arlington’s will be different. If not, well. Sorry.

        • dk (not DK)

          I drive by this shelter every day, often stopping at the red light on the corner, and have never once had anyone approach my car. OTOH, I’ve had that happen in other places before, so if it did happen it wouldn’t shock me (although it might upset me, depending on the circumstances).

          I also work near this shelter and occasionally walk past it. Again, I have never felt personally threatened while doing this.

          That said, I would have to add that Deadite’s description of the people who hang around the shelter all day is not inaccurate. However, it should also be pointed out that the people who hang around the shelter all day are not representative of all homeless people, or even all homeless people who stay at the shelter but rather a subset of the population that, sadly, is likely the most “intractably” homeless. I suspect that the vast majority of the people hanging out on the sidewalk outside the shelter are mentally ill and therefore, deserve our sympathy. At the same time, I certainly can understand why someone might not want to live next door to this particular shelter. Whether the proposed Arlington shelter would have such a visible “presence” in the community, I can’t say.

          • Thes

            I would agree with this assessment. It’s a small portion of the clients of the shelter there who create a big neighborhood impact. It’s not really the physical danger, because that’s pretty limited to non-existent. It’s the person having a shouting match with themselves, lying astride the sidewalk, muttering at people who pass by, pan-handling, or otherwise being a distraction. I feel very sorry for those unfortunate people, of course, and I wish we could cure them of whatever is going on inside their head. It’s one reason I support high taxes to pay for excellent national health care. Those people are so much worse off than I am, and it makes me grateful for my sanity and the roof over my head. But, frankly, it also makes me grateful I don’t have to confront the entire city’s quota of such behavior every single time I walk out my front (or back) door. And it’s unnecessary to have it happen on the sidewalk, in DC or Arlington. Although it seems mean-spirited in the abstract, to me in reality it makes sense to enforce loitering laws and ask people to move such routine behavior inside, or to less visible locations.

    • KalashniKEV

      More like Zombieland.

  • l

    There exists a homeless shelter on Arlington and it’s not in a filthy nor crime ridden area.

    • Eric Burdon

      ….And it’s been the ruin of many a poor boy
      And God I know I’m one

      • Animals Fan

        LOL!!! Awesome…of course now you’ve put that earworm in my head and I’ll be singing it all day.

  • Courthouse Observer

    I think safety concerns are valid, if overblown. After all, this building and it’s residents live next to the county jail. There are plenty of criminals being housed at taxpayer expense nearby, now. And they are constantly coming and going. I used to live in the Courthouse neighborhood.

    I think the neighbors’ real concern is property values, and for that I have no sympathy. It’s not the county’s responsibility to protect their property values. These folks are living two blocks from the Courthouse metro, a new movie theater, dozens of restaurants, and employers. It’s a great place to live and will be for the foreseeable future. If their property values do decline, it’ll be because the county board greenlights every condo plan that comes it’s way in an effort to boost housing supply and density, and because their building isn’t brand-spanking new.

    • ArLater

      You’re right. It will have nothing to do with potential buyers seeing a homeless shelter directly next to their prospective condo. I dont know about you but I would bet most people will think twice about the condo after hearing that a permenant year round homeless shelter is there right next store.

      All the nice amenities in Courthouse (that you were so kind to list) are there for all the condos in Courthouse. Therefore if someone was looking into buying, and wanted to be in Courthouse, the condo right next store may now not be their 1st, 2nd or 3rd choices. Plenty of other condos with more of a buffer between then and a permenant home for homeless. Thus, causing the property value of the building right next store to decline.

      I, too, used to live in the Courthouse neighborhood. (Not sure why this is important but you seemed to want to add it, maybe to try to add more legitimacy to your arguement? So I figured I would add too. Get us on the same ball field, ya know)

  • KalashniKEV

    This homeless shelter is just not gonna fly.

    • drax

      When’s the revolution begin? Hurry, Obama’s about to take your guns.

    • Flying Homeless Shelter

      Bums in Space!

  • heck No

    no way man. I would never even consider looking at condo next door to the homeless shelter…uh uh no way. especially if with kids. sorry. calling me a snob does nothing to me.

    • CourthouseChris

      So you would prefer to live in an area where the homeless are not sheltered?

      • snob

        I’d prefer them to be just a little damp

        • KalashniKEV

          +1

          And cooooooold!

          • drax

            You should read “A Christmas Carol” Kev.

  • novasteve

    A couple years ago I saw a homeless woman in the Courthouse metro station approach a group of acapella singers and began to remove her clothes and dancing. She was completely topless. You don’t think the shelter will attract more mentally ill people like that? The only reason she wasn’t on a sexual offender registry for that was because she wasn’t caught by police.

    • drax

      Where will this lady be without a shelter, steve? She’ll be out on the street anyway. Where else do you think she’d go?

      • DCBuff

        Back to Steve’s.

      • novasteve

        Maybe she should go to a loony bin instead of running around naked in public? She wans’t in the shelter. She was in the metro station. She committed a crime. that crime would make her a sexual offender had she been caught.

        Yet suddenly when we get the year round bum shelter the crimes won’t happen?

        • Container Store

          Are these “loony bins” lined with some kind of anti-psychotic bags? Or just plain old plastic bins?

        • Josh S

          A “loony bin?!?!”

          I think I’m going to cry.

        • drax

          What is a “loony bin,” steve?

          How is it any different from a shelter, except perhaps with treatment available?

          Did it occur to you that she might not be seeking or sticking with treatment…because her mental illness causes her not to? Or that it keeps her from affording it because she has no job because she’s crazy, and in this country you need a job to get health care?

          And, again, why do you think she wouldn’t be there without a shelter? Do the homeless only congregate around shelters?

      • KalashniKEV

        Who cares where she goes, so long as it’s not here.

        (or at least out of Molotov cocktail range)

        • drax

          You are either a troll or a really bitter, depressed person, or both. Maybe you need treatment. Plenty of veterans out there with mental health problems (some of them homeless). Seek help.

          This is my diagnosis of you, btw:

          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001930/

          A person with narcissistic personality disorder may:

          React to criticism with rage, shame, or humiliation

          Take advantage of other people to achieve his or her own goals

          Have excessive feelings of self-importance

          Exaggerate achievements and talents

          Be preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence, or ideal love

          Have unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment

          Need constant attention and admiration

          Disregard the feelings of others, and have little ability to feel empathy

          Have obsessive self-interest

          Pursue mainly selfish goals

          • CourthouseChris

            Is this specifically Kev, or the right in general?

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