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Hope Calls for HPV Vaccinations for Boys

by ARLnow.com — January 10, 2013 at 11:15 am 2,901 180 Comments

Del. Patrick HopeDel. Patrick Hope (D) of Arlington has introduced a bill that would require boys to get vaccinated for the Human Papillomavirus (HPV).

Girls entering the sixth grade in Virginia are already required to get vaccinated for HPV, which can cause cervical cancer. By law, parents can opt out of the HPV immunization, if they wish. Still, the measure isn’t without controversy — Republicans in the General Assembly nearly succeeded in lifting the mandate last year.

Hope’s bill would simply remove two words — “for females” — from the mandate, thus requiring boys to receive the vaccines too. Hope said he realizes his bill is not likely to see the light of day on the House of Delegates, but proposed it because it’s consistent with current medical best practices. In boys, the HPV vaccine can prevent certain types of genital warts and cancers, and prevent them from spreading the disease to girls, who can suffer more serious consequences from contracting it.

“Given last session where a majority of House Republicans wanted to gut existing law that simply recommends girls receive the vaccine, this legislation will be met with extreme opposition,” Hope told ARLnow.com. “But there is absolutely no controversy within the medical community: Immunizing boys against HPV will help save lives.”

“As the father of three young girls, there is nothing I wouldn’t do to protect them,” Hope continued. “I just hope we can let the expertise of the medical community guide our policy decisions and not let politics get in the way.”

  • novsteve

    Unless they have orgies in the classroom, the point of vaccinations for students is so they don’t pass on communicable illnesses in the classrooms. Add in the unknown long term consequences of this….

    • drax

      Typical Steve.

      The vaccination is necessary to prevent cancer in adulthood. It requires 3 doses at different periods, that’s why it starts at an early age, before sexual maturity.

      And yes, sometimes teens have sex. Should they die of cancer for that?

      • Tabs

        Thanks for the dose of sanity and reason, drax.

      • BoredHouseWife

        it doesn’t prevent cervical cancer. it may prevent some caused by hpv. (something around 80%) you still need to use a condom.
        I’m going to opt out until I see what happens.

        • jackson

          Until you see what happens? What does that mean? Until we have a decade or two of data to draw from?

          • SteamboatWillie

            Good point Jackson. The comment above suggests a belief that medical recommendations about vaccinations are made without the benefit of historical data and clinical trials before being made publicly available. Very black helicopter.

          • novasteve

            steamboat, do you realize how many drugs have been taken off the market that were once deemed safe by the FDA? It gives law firms a LOT of business when the manufactureres constantly get sued. But somehow gardisil will always be safe, but other drugs aren’t?

            Drax:You say “prevent cancer in adulthood” when that’s not what it will do. It at best will prevent SOME cancer, not all cancers that HPV causes.

            There are consequences for having sex. However it’s the left that wants to create an illusion of safety from a vaccine, and other consequences of sex are things like pregnancy, and the left has no issue with making the only innocent party in that situation pay with its life.

          • BoredHouseWife

            I have lived long enough to know that sometimes there is a difference between what they say it (drugs/laws/procedures etc) does and the actual result. I will teach my children to use condoms, like I was taught. Unlike the population at large, I don’t make decisions out of fear.

          • drax

            You’re a good, old-fashioned mom who teaches his kids how to have sex with condoms!

            “I don’t make decisions out of fear.”

            So why use condoms? You scared or something?

          • Fuzzy

            It would be idiotic for parents to be against this vaccine (just like it’s idiotic for parents who refuse to have their kids vaccinated for MMR).
            You can raise your son and daughter to be abstinent or always practice safe sex and they could still get the HPV vaccine later on from their spouse if the spouse ever had unprotected sex with somebody else.

        • Tabs

          You can catch and transmit HPV while using condoms.

          • BoredHouseWife

            same rate as taking the shot..30 percent.

        • really?

          speaking as someone who lost a friend to head and neck cancer last year that was directly related to hpv, what i would have done to have my friend not die. i have vaccinated my daughter; i will vaccinate my son, too.

          • novasteve

            Your son and daughter will still be able to get head and neck cancer from HPV even with the vaccine. It’s their behaviors that they’ll need to adjust to not get or minimize their risk. A magic shot won’t do it.

          • Realistic

            That is exactly the way it should be. An adult making an informed decision that they believe is the correct decision for their child.

            In no way should a politician or public health official mandate this decision that has no effect on public health.

          • drax

            If and when we find a vaccine to prevent head and neck cancer due to a transmissable virus, we’ll require that one too.

          • BoredHouseWife

            That is your choice. but it should never be forced on others.

          • novasteve

            @ Realistic, for day to day decisions, unlike rare 2-3x in a life decision, democrats think the state knows what’s best for you, and hence you should be mandated to do what they tell you do do.

          • Max

            HPV is now one of the leading causes of head and neck cancer, and Gardasil provides protection from the strains of HPV that causes most head and neck cancers.

            There isn’t much of an excuse not to get the vaccine.

      • arlmom

        Boys don’t get cervical cancer.

        I am pro-vaccine in every instance except this one. I would not give any of my sons an HPV vaccine.

        • justsayin

          No, Boys GIVE you cervical cancer. You may be doing their future wives a favor, but I do think it should be a parent’s decision, not the government

    • SteamboatWillie

      Yes, the boogeyman of the great unknown consequences is so persuasive when ideologue’s with no scientific credentials politicize the recommendations of doctors. I mean Jenny McCarthy told us that her son “caught” autism from a vaccine preservative. The good news is that she’s healed the child.

      • Novasteve

        Remember how doctors recommended thalidomide until they realized what it did and then it was too late? Every seen someone born with the effects? i have.

        • CW

          Oh no you didn’t

        • drax

          Sure, steve, that’s true with EVERY drug and vaccine – do you want to wait to use every drug for 20 years, just in case?

          And do you think cervical cancer is better?

          • novasteve

            You act like this vaccine is the only thing that can prevent cervical cancer. Actions and inactions can also reduce or prevent getting cervical cancer. you know, making choices, wise choices.

          • Fuzzy

            The only sure way for your kids to be protected is for them to never have sex. Good luck with that.
            Get your kids vaccinated…it’s common sense.

        • NGLebe

          Steve, you know that thalidomide was not approved by the FDA in the United States. Right?

          • Josh S

            Look, I’m definitely not an ally of ns_t_e_v_e and I’m not anti-vaccine, etc. But, approval by FDA hardly guarantees that a drug has or will have no problems. Drug companies pay for research, they manipulate published data, they discourage sharing of data among scientists, etc. The FDA is not currently capable of catching all this. S-tev-0 brings up thalidomide, but hardly needed to go so far back in history to find a drug that was being used in the marketplace that ended up having serious problems.
            Again, I’m not asserting one thing or another about this particular vaccine. But I don’t think it is entirely unreasonable to be cautious.

        • Max

          Thalidomide was never approved for use by pregnant women in the United States, and its use abroad paved the way for increased regulations of drug companies.

          Interestingly, thalidomide is now approved for use in the United States for various myeloproliferative disorders, but women require pregnancy tests before starting it and measures are taken to prevent pregnancy while on thalidomide.

    • DCBuff

      “…the point of vaccinations for students is so they don’t pass on communicable illnesses in the classrooms.” Exactly. Because vaccinations only work at school.

      • novsteve

        So why don’t they give kids malaria vaccinations or other vaccinations for other things they can’t get in school, why only HPV?

        • DCBuff

          Steve, if they are going to school in the Congo, then by all means anti-malarial medicine is in order. But, as vaccinations work 24/7, we vaccinate against polio, tetnus, diptheria, and so on. I don’t have a position (yet) on this one, but your arguments are absurd.

          • novasteve

            The things they vaccinate for are communicable from being in the mere presence of another student. HPV requires them to have sex with each other, which doesn’t occur in the classroom. The HPV vaccine has no business being mandated as a condition of going to school like other vaccines. This is nothing but social engineering. Parents are still able to get this vaccination for their kids should they wish.

          • drax

            This is how steve works. He puts up a ridiculous objection, usually in the form of a question, then someone shoots it down, then he finds a new one.

          • SoArl

            Novasteve is right. There is no reason for this to be mandated as a condition for attending school. The other vaccines I had to get my kid before going to school are communicable diseases. I’ll still get my girl vaccined when the time comes but I might tell the school I’m opting out just because I think it’s none of their business.

          • DCBuff

            This last, whether I agree with it or not, is a much more (though not entirely) coherrent argument and what you should have put up in the beginning. And, I see SoArl’s point on this being between the parent, kid and physician and not the school’s business.

          • drax

            HPV is also a communicable disease, SoArl.

          • novasteve

            Not communicable in the ways the other vaccinated for ones are. Unless they have orgies in class, you will not be catching HPV in school unlike the other illnesses they vaccinate for.

        • Max

          we have better means to control some communicable diseases other than vaccinations. The greatest example is BCG, the vaccine for TB, which has never been approved for use in the United States because it’s believed that PPD provides for better national prevention. We also don’t require smallpox vaccine anymore because it’s not a threat, same for typhoid, among others.

  • novasteve

    If you want to subject your daughter to mercury, then get your daughters the vaccine, but DONT FORCE YOUR STUFF ON OTHERS.
    What’s it with democrats forcing their beliefs on everyone?My way or the highway! Only my view is valid! You must do I what I say, only my opinion is valid, everyone else is a bigot, stupid vigot.

    • vigot

      Leave me out of this. And don’t call me stupid.

    • Uh-huh

      So I guess it’s ok to force women to have, unnecessary,invasive ultrasounds before having a perfectly legal medical procedure, but this is not. The hypocrisy of the republican party never ceases to amaze me.

      • novasteve

        1. that didn’t pass
        2. They need that ultrasound to find the fetus anyways to have the abortion anyways.

        How important is baby killing ot liberals? 1 of 2 liberal sacraments. Nothing is more liberal than killing your own child because you might be inconvenienced.

        • SteamboatWillie

          1. It has in Texas and if it were up to the GOP it would be the law in a lot of places, including the Commonwealth of VA.

          2. You are incorrect.

          • novasteve

            What’s your point? And Obama believes in abortion up to the moment of birth. Do you think that’s a good thing?

        • BoredHouseWife

          2. wrong, they don’t need to have a vaginal ultrasound to have an abortion. most abortions are preformed from weeks 8 -12. anything earlier is not guaranteed.

        • drax

          1. yes, it DID pass.

          2. They don’t FORCE you to have an ultrasound when having an abortion.

          • novasteve

            So why is’nt it the law drax?

            What’s more intrusive, an ultrasound or an abortion?

          • drax

            It IS the law.

            The transvaginal part was dropped. But a women who gets an abortion in Va. must now get an ultrasound first, by law.

            Any medical test or procedure you are FORCED to have violates the principle of informed consent and is more intrusive than one you CHOOSE to have.

        • Uh-huh

          1. yes it did.
          2. no they don’t

          And frankly I think it’s more than “inconvenient” to prevent a woman who has been raped from having a private, legal medical procedure.

          • novasteve

            Easily 97% of abortions are not due to rape nor to save the life of the mother. It’s used as form of birth control.

      • SteamboatWillie

        The irony is rich coming from a party held captive by borderline Theocrats on social issues. Banning gay marriage because of Leviticus isn’t forcing “stuff” on others, right?

        • novasteve

          So why is polygamy and incestuous marriage banned steamboat? And are you a bigot if you support those bans? How much of the population does banning gay marriage impact, 5-8? tops, and those are VERY generous numbers.. But you’d have no problem forcing a possibly dangerous vaccine on 100% of the population (kids and future kids). So you have fits of rage if something happens to tiny minorities, but not when democrats do it to the vast majority with their mandates and bans.

          • SteamboatWillie

            You left off man on dog sex, but maybe you didn’t flip the page on your Rick Santorum talking points.

            Do you really need an explanation about why there are laws against incestuous marriage? And no, it’s not a sinister left wing government conspiracy to wage war on the institution of marriage in the red state populations of places like West Virginia, Mississippi, and South Georgia.

      • novasteve

        What about democrat hypocrisy? The party of keep your laws off my body are MANDATING, and the child being forced to get the vaccine, who liberals tihnk is mature enough to have sex, but not to decide if they want the vaccine or not, only the parents can opt out, not the child. So much for “keep your laws off my body”. That only applies to abortion, and none of the other things liberals ban or mandate because they need to impose their will.

        • jackson

          At least you can only force your beliefs on your pets.

        • drax

          When your attempts to bash liberals fail, you turn to “hypocrisy.” But that only exposes your own hypocrisy.

          • Buckingham Beauty

            Not that I always agree with novasteve’s approach, but I do find the hypocrisy incredible. A kid is old enough for sex but too young to decide he or she has the option of a vaccine? A girl can choose to have an abortion because she was old enough for sex but feels too young to have a baby, and yet she MUST have an HPV vaccine? Or here’s one, a kid is old enough for sex, and yet conversely is too young to have the freedom to choose whether or not they should have a soda with lunch at school? You can’t have it both ways. Either they are kids or they are not.

            The problem is that the left continually seeks to remove the consequences for stupid actions, the consequences that used to prevent kids from having sex as kids. Forcing all kids (even those mature enough to keep their pants on) to have an HPV vaccine is an attempt at removing a consequence . And then we marvel at how promiscuous kids are these days. Sure, SOME kids used to have sex early when there were more consequences for doing so, but not at the rate you have today.

    • Captain_Obvious

      what’s a vigot ?

      • FrenchyB

        A bigoted Visogoth, of course.

    • wimmer201

      I can’t stand bigots. But yes, vigots are much worse.

    • John Fontain

      “If you want to subject your daughter to mercury”

      The vaccine doesn’t contain mercury.

      • jackson

        Are you trying to interject facts into this?

        • John Fontain

          oh, sorry about that!

    • drax

      Yes, we liberals are forcing you not to risk spreading a deadly disease to others. Public health sucks sometimes, doesn’ it?

      I also support a mandatory washing your hands after you go to the bathroom law, since you’re going to touch that doorknob.

      • novasteve

        Seems like you’d have a better success reducing HPV cancers by dicouraging sex.

        • jackson

          Ha!

        • drax

          HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

          Not only is that laughably naive, it’s proven wrong in the real world.

          • Hollywood

            Actually drax would prefer to outlaw sex too.

        • Ballston

          They tried that in many schools. Take a look at teen pregnancy rates for abstinence only education schools and let us know how effective it is

          • Buckingham Beauty

            Know why it fails? It’s because that sort of education doesn’t belong in the schools. That’s the parents’ job.

          • Buckingham Beauty

            Don’t force everyone else’s parental failure on my kid.

    • Al Sharpton

      and don’t forget racist.

  • JimPB

    Hope is “right on” for preventing multiple, serious, often fatal cancers among males and females.

    • novasteve

      The vaccine doesn’t come close to preventing all cancers caused by HPV, only some of them. You are very naive if you think this will prevent HPV caused cancer. In fact, anal cancer rates are at record levels.

      Also, the long term consequences are not known.

      In addition, they dont’ have orgies in class, so there’s no way a student can get HPV in the classroom, which is the reason they do vaccinations, to prevent communicable in the classroom illness.

      • jackson

        “which is the reason they do vaccinations, to prevent communicable in the classroom illness.”

        Um, that’s one reason, but there is an entire world outside the classroom where children interact. You know that, right?

        • novasteve

          So why pick and choose then? There are other illnesses kids could get outside of classroom. Why not target those too? Why not do something about fat kids, like not allow fat kids in school?They’re allowed to eat at home, so by your logic since we can mandate their lives outside of the classroom, we can dictate how students eat at home too.

          Gr

          • jackson

            …because you don’t catch being obese by coming in contact with the fluids of another person?

          • novasteve

            You don’t come into contact with the fluids of other students in school unless the law gets broken.

      • BoredHouseWife

        people are seriously misinformed. whats going to happen is all those kids are going to have sex without condoms thinking there is no risk of cancer and there will be an increase of cervical cancer not covered by the vaccine.

        • jackson

          I seriously doubt children are having sex without condoms because they think they’re protected against cancer.

          I doubt the idea of cancer even enters their minds at that point.

        • novasteve

          I’m not sure how trustworthy the studies are, but they have had some recently showing that this isn’t the case, that kids don’t view the vaccine as a permission slip to have sex thinking they are “safe” as a result. However I bet if you looked into the studies the makers were behind them. I mean what’s a 7 year old girl going to think when she gets a shot from a doctor, if she asks why, she will be told “to make you safe” and is then given a lollipop. 5 years later when she’s sexually active (thanks to progressive permissiveness) she’ll still be a child thinking she’s “safe” because a doctor/nurse told her so.

          • jackson

            That was a rather creepy look into how you think the mind of a 7-year-old girl works.

          • drax

            Bull. No such studies exist.

            Meanwhile, study after study shows that “abstience only” education fails to prevent sex.

          • novasteve

            Why did it used to work? Why are pregnancy rates so much higher now than in the 1930s when they didn’t even have bc? It’s because they are enabled to have sex knowing they have BC, or abortions available , so they feel like they can do whatever they want, when in the past, they knew there would be extreme consequences….

            Ask yourself, if a woman were told she couldn’t get an abortion, no violating the law, would she be more or less likely to go out and have a drunken one night stand with a complete stranger? i’ve asked this question on the air to a very pro abortion supporter on the BBC and she said she would be less likely to go out and have drunken one night stand if she knew she couldn’t get an abortion. It’s called being enabled.

        • drax

          You aren’t serious, right?

          That’s the “abstinence only” argument, and it has been proven time and time again not to work. Kids are going to have sex.

          • novasteve

            Kids have sex only because there’s so much permissiveness. You didn’t have nearly as much in the past, basically because there was a system of shaming those who did, and it apparently worked. Didn’t eliminate all pregnancies and STDs, but they were drastically lower than they are now. So is the sex the only thing you think people should and will do if they feel like it, but nothing else? You really think it’s a good thing for 12 year olds to be having sex so long as they are using BC? Kids also want the latest gaming device, should they be given them because they want them, like they want sex?

          • drax

            Steve, people can get HPV by having sex AFTER they are at the age of consent. Or by being raped. Or even after marriage (figure it out).

        • Tabs

          People = you and Michele and nuevoesteban

          People use condoms to prevent HPV? No. They mainly do so to prevent pregnancy and/or because they’re not monogamous and can’t be 100% sure they or their partner has any number of transmissible STIs/STDs e.g. chlamydia, trich., HIV, gonorrhea, syphilis, Hep B or C…

      • drax

        “anal cancer rates are at record levels”

        You are a never-ending source of humorous material, steve.

        • novasteve

          Humorous? It’s fact. Anal cancer is at record levels now.

          • Captain_Obvious

            Isn’t it called colon cancer ?

          • novasteve

            Anal cancer is cancer of the anus, which is overwhelmingly causes by HPV infections from anal sex. Colon cancer is cancer of the colon. The colon is not the anus and isn’t caused by HPV.

          • drax

            You’re correct, steve, but you have no sense of humor.

          • novasteve

            I don’t think cancer is a funny topic.

      • drax

        “they dont’ have orgies in class, so there’s no way a student can get HPV in the classroom, which is the reason they do vaccinations, to prevent communicable in the classroom illness.”

        No it isn’t. Try again.

    • Captain_Obvious

      so you admit the vaccine prevents SOME cancers? I am pretty good at math and I know that SOME is better than ZERO. What are your thoughts ? Is some better than zero ? Simple question, can you handle it ?

  • Chester

    Silly Pat. Virginia Republicans only care about lady parts if there’s an unborn person down yonder. Amend the bill to allow the boys to buy more than one gun a month with proof of vaccination and then you may have something.

    • novasteve

      All you have is name calling and insults.

      • Captain_Obvious

        and you don’t insult “libbies” on here ?

      • Josh S

        But what about you, steve, what about you?

  • JohnB

    Good work.

  • Chuck

    People should realize that more head and neck cancers also are being caused by the HPV virus, which makes vaccination by boys and girls all the more important.

    • novasteve

      It doesn’t prevent all those cancers, and what happens when HPV adapts? The vaccine will be useless and then if there are any consequences from getting the vaccine, they’ll have that too. It’s almost like you think HPV causes oral sex being the modern equivalent of a handshake.

      • SteamboatWillie

        A virus adapts? So you believe in evolution now?

        • novasteve

          Do you have anything other than insults?

          • SteamboatWillie

            I apologize if you felt insulted, but your comment about adaptation is ludicrous due to a lack of education or knowledge. Polio and Hepatitis B are both viruses but the medical community vaccinates against them even in the face of the eventual adaptation. You do understand that, right?

          • novasteve

            Polio and Hep B aren’t HPV.

    • Tabs

      And oral cancers. And (I imagine this is a bad word here)–aynil. (Ryan Whatshisface said he blames himself for Farrah Fawcett’s death for that very reason.)

      HPV strains are present in up to 80% of sexually active adults–and the # is growing.

      • novasteve

        Heaven forbid, but should dare be allowed to ask if people, as a result of this situation, if people should be responsible and not do whatever the heck they want simply because they feel like it? This vaccine will not prevent all HPV and thus HPV caused cancers. The virus can also mutate.

        • same tune

          again we hear the argument that it doesn’t solve absolutely everything therefore we should not do anything.

          • jackson

            Vaccines, gun control, seat belts… all liberal conspiracies.

          • novasteve

            So you have no problem with your “solution”being to force a potentially dangerous drug on children? What happened to “keep your laws off my body”? Another solution could be for society to not be so damn promiscuous. But I guess it’s easier to force a mercury ladened vaccine onto everyone than expect personal responsibility.

          • jackson

            Again, it does NOT contain mercury. Why do you keep saying that?

            It does not contain mercury, thiomersal, or live virus or dead virus, only virus-like particles, which cannot reproduce in the human body

          • novasteve

            So it’s a magical preservative free vaccine?

          • jackson

            Just take 20 seconds and look at the CDC website, or any number of other sites. It does not contain mercury.

          • drax

            Oh for God’s sake, steve, everyone knows they took mercury out of vaccines a long time ago.

          • novasteve

            Yes it does contain mercury.

          • malaka

            Not a chance – he’d have to take 20 seconds away from his ranting.

        • drax

          Sure, steve, you can put all your faith in the solid, reliable method of asking all young people not to have sex.

          • Buckingham Beauty

            No, see, you don’t ASK young people. You TELL them, and you enforce consequences when they disobey. They’re kids. Whatever happened to parents requiring obedience from them?

  • Michele Bachmann

    I had a mother come up to me in Tampa, Florida after the debate. She told me that her little daughter took that vaccine, that injection. And she suffered from mental retardation thereafter. The mother was crying when she came up to me last night. I didn’t know who she was before the debate. This is the very real concern and people have to draw their own conclusions.

    • Arlingtoon

      You can’t be the real Michele Bachmann; you’ve got to be an imposter. Too many three sylable words.

    • drax

      Michele Bachmann is on the Intelligence Committee. Need we have any more proof that we are doomed?

      • umm, yes

        Since you asked, the real doom is that the perennial idiot Dianne Feinstein chairs the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. At least the repubs don’t let Bachman LEAD anything important.

  • Steve

    I have fought HPV. You don’t want your sons to get it. Trust me.

    • novasteve

      The only way to “not get it” is to not have sex. This vaccine doesn’t even prevent all HPV infections that causes cancer, let alone the plethora of other HPV strains that don’t cause cancer.

    • BoredHouseWife

      maybe you should have used a condom.

      • Steve

        I’m 40, lady. I was taught. HPV transmission happens w/ or w/out condoms. I know. And, don’t be a bitch.

        • BoredHouseWife

          http://www.cdc.gov/condomeffectiveness/latex.htm

          still should have used one. You are near the same age as I, and if you lived in the USA, you were well aware of the AIDs epidemic and well aware that condom use significantly reduces STDs. You may call me uneducated, but apparently I am educated enough not to get a preventable disease.

          • Max

            why the obsession with someone’s sex life?

      • cranky crankypants

        wow. just wow.

        • Tabs

          She/he is dead wrong. Do I need to explain it? I guess I do.

          When a lady and a man like each other very, very much, their body parts aren’t completely covered by a condom that goes over (much of) a man’s wee-wee.

          Moistened body parts (is it necessary to ID them?) are a great spot for viruses and bugs to hang out.

          • steve

            Thank you Tabs. I am glad I didn’t have to explain. There are so many uneducated people in the world.

          • BoredHouseWife

            cdc and condom effectiveness.

      • Wow

        BoredHouseWife – you’re unbelievably rude…

        • BoredHouseWife

          I am brutally honest. Someone has to offset the unethical attitudes many in this forum have.
          Somehow I am the jerk for pointing out the obvious but others who support a law that forces people to be injected with substance created by Merk, one of the many pharmaceuticals with less than stellar reputations when it comes to studies and their data. I’m just saying.

        • Louise

          She sure is!

  • novasteve

    So where are all the “keep your laws off my body” people now?

  • BoredHouseWife

    Back in the day kids were taught to take responsibility, and use things like condoms.

    • novasteve

      Condoms don’t work against HPV. We have an anything goes mentality now (unless it’s things the left doesn’t approve of), so now people should be able to do whatever they want, and the promiscuous few mean that a potentially dangerous drug must be forced upon the entire society.

      can someone really try to say with a straight face that the mercury in vaccines isn’t harmful? Perhaps that’s why the left are mad as a hatter.

      • jackson

        No mercury in HPV vaccine. You should be forced to put a dollar in a jar each time you make that claim.

        • novasteve

          “mercury free” vaccines still have traces of mercury in them. There is no safe level of mercury.

          • drax

            The water from your tap contains traces of mercury too. Are you going to stop drinking it?

      • BoredHouseWife

        they are 70 percent effect according to the cdc, the same rate as the shot. there is no excuse why people want to force an injection. it is unethical to do so. I don’t get the lack of ethics. well maybe if a person has an unreasonable fear., it is sounding like many suffer from a lack of a reality check.reacting out of fear is dangerous and harmful to any society.

    • jackson

      Just out of curiosity, when you say “back in the day,” what time period are we talking about?

      • Tabs

        Would have to either be pre-60s or after AIDS began. Good luck getting a guy to wear a “rubber” from 1970s-c. 1986 or so.

        • drax

          We still cared about pregnancy and STDs back then.

        • novasteve

          I learned that from Austin Powers also.

          • malaka

            You also have his teeth

      • BoredHouseWife

        mid-late 1990′s.

    • grandpa

      Back in MY day, you taught them not to have sex at all, and didn’t give them condoms, so they had sex without them.

      • novasteve

        So why are unwanted pregnancy rates so much higher now grandpa than in the 19th century?

        • jackson

          Because back then women had no rights and got married off at 14 and every pregnancy was “wanted.” How can that be a serious question?

          • novasteve

            So why were the unwanted pregnancy levels so much lower in the 1930s-1940s despite the lack of available birth control?

          • jackson

            Again, it’s all the darn freedom women have now that they didn’t 60 or 70 years ago. Duh!

          • Buckingham Beauty

            OK, Mr. Freedom Man, if women are so free, what about the freedom NOT to have a vaccine?

  • ForReal?

    I’m convinced that this NOVASTEVE guy gets paid to make ignorant comments on every single article!! Who has the time and energy to be SOOOO negative ALL the time????

    • novasteve

      What is ignorant and do you have anything other than insults or personal attacks?

      • ForReal?

        I’m just tired of stupid people and you are ALWAYS there….commenting about every article…day after day….. The only thing you are telling people is that you have no job and no life.

        • novasteve

          Do you have any actual arguments or only personal attacks and insults?

          • Dezlboy

            @novasteve. You wrote,”Do you have any actual arguments or only personal attacks and insults?” For once, why don’t you answer one of your own questions? :-)

        • Please

          This X 1 billion!!!

        • Please

          Amen ForReal!

    • Louise

      What I can’t figure out is who is paying him all day (at his “job”) while he spends hours and hours playing troll on Arlnow!

  • Tabs

    ArlNow, can our next in-forum expert be my gynecologist? The very mention of the name Michele Bachmann sends him into a speculum-waving frenzy.

  • novasteve

    In addition to the “keep your laws off my body” why is those who say “keep your laws out of the bedroom” bringing it into the classroom?

  • J. Steinfield

    These boys would need to be engaging in receptive anal intercourse in order to contract HPV.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    • drax

      But they can transmit the virus to girls, even if they don’t get symptoms themselves.

    • Tabs

      WRONG x 12 million.

    • jackson

      Not true: From the CDC: “HPV is passed on through genital contact—most often during vaginal and anal sex. HPV may also be passed on during oral sex.”

  • Steve

    Most of the males on the forum are unknown HPV carriers. It just fact. Yes, even your scrotum is tainted. :-)

  • BoredHouseWife

    Arguing on the internet was fun for a while but I tire of butting ego against ego. It is time to retire mine. Good luck to you all. Try to stay on topic when arguing with NovaSteve.

  • Mary-Austin

    One method of ensuring you will not contract and std: remain celibate like novasteve.

    • Tabs

      You mean making WISE choices, GOOD choices.

  • DL

    I had my 13 y.o. son vaccinated. It’s the right thing to do.
    “This is cancer, for Pete’s sake,” said Dr. William Schaffner, chairman of the department of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine and a nonvoting member of the committee. “A vaccine against cancer was the dream of our youth.”

    “A VACCINE AGAINST CANCER WAS THE DREAM OF OUR YOUTH.”

    Need I write it again people! This is huge medical progress!

  • DL

    Here’s the source of the quote:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/health/policy/26vaccine.html?_r=0

    and I’m going to write it again….

    “A VACCINE AGAINST CANCER WAS THE DREAM OF OUR YOUTH.”

    • The Bible

      Cancer is the will of God. Vaccines are the the creation of Satan.

  • Halo

    Wouldn’t a cervical collar work just as well?
    I’m all for it if it keeps our boys from getting cervical cancer.
    Is it possible they mean serval cancer? Servals are a species of pussy-cat and are endangered aren’t they?

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