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	<title>Comments on: Counterpoint: A Streetcar Supporter&#8217;s Take</title>
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		<title>By: Cycle Chick</title>
		<link>http://www.arlnow.com/2013/01/22/counterpoint-a-streetcar-supporters-take/#comment-300382</link>
		<dc:creator>Cycle Chick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, either way riding on the Pike is sketchy and probably always will be. I suggest that bikes ride in the residential areas (8th and 9th streets) that run parallel to the Pike. I do a mix of both and it&#039;s way safer and nicer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, either way riding on the Pike is sketchy and probably always will be. I suggest that bikes ride in the residential areas (8th and 9th streets) that run parallel to the Pike. I do a mix of both and it&#8217;s way safer and nicer.</p>
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		<title>By: nomore</title>
		<link>http://www.arlnow.com/2013/01/22/counterpoint-a-streetcar-supporters-take/#comment-300374</link>
		<dc:creator>nomore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 14:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lots of us who live along the pike DON&#039;T want more development.  More development means more people means more schools, libraries, more concrete, more trash, more sidewalks.  All these services drain the revenue not add to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of us who live along the pike DON&#8217;T want more development.  More development means more people means more schools, libraries, more concrete, more trash, more sidewalks.  All these services drain the revenue not add to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Native</title>
		<link>http://www.arlnow.com/2013/01/22/counterpoint-a-streetcar-supporters-take/#comment-300202</link>
		<dc:creator>Native</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 22:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Photo caption says it is along Columbia Pike, but that is actually Jefferson Street.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Photo caption says it is along Columbia Pike, but that is actually Jefferson Street.</p>
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		<title>By: southarlington</title>
		<link>http://www.arlnow.com/2013/01/22/counterpoint-a-streetcar-supporters-take/#comment-300200</link>
		<dc:creator>southarlington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 22:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is more than one person it is a lot of people .....they want a ballot question and this costs tax payers a lot of money so hell yes I do want to vote on this !!!!  I do not want to be steamrolled ....The schools need the money before this trolley to allivate overcrowding ....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is more than one person it is a lot of people &#8230;..they want a ballot question and this costs tax payers a lot of money so hell yes I do want to vote on this !!!!  I do not want to be steamrolled &#8230;.The schools need the money before this trolley to allivate overcrowding &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Southarlington</title>
		<link>http://www.arlnow.com/2013/01/22/counterpoint-a-streetcar-supporters-take/#comment-300199</link>
		<dc:creator>Southarlington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 22:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not ever one wants to get rid of there cars so please stop forcing that agenda on people and too many other people from outside this area drive into to Shirlington so that totally is not a option to take parking spaces away....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not ever one wants to get rid of there cars so please stop forcing that agenda on people and too many other people from outside this area drive into to Shirlington so that totally is not a option to take parking spaces away&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: FED</title>
		<link>http://www.arlnow.com/2013/01/22/counterpoint-a-streetcar-supporters-take/#comment-300195</link>
		<dc:creator>FED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Check out this YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x30ivqQEGao]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out this YouTube video:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x30ivqQEGao" >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x30ivqQEGao</a></p>
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		<title>By: FED</title>
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		<dc:creator>FED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[does not necessarily have to run on dedicated lanes; does not necessarily have to have off-vehicle fare payment, but so what if it does? WMATA is going with off-vehicle fare payment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does not necessarily have to run on dedicated lanes; does not necessarily have to have off-vehicle fare payment, but so what if it does? WMATA is going with off-vehicle fare payment.</p>
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		<title>By: FED</title>
		<link>http://www.arlnow.com/2013/01/22/counterpoint-a-streetcar-supporters-take/#comment-300188</link>
		<dc:creator>FED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Las Vegas BRT runs like a city bus downtown and on dedicated transitways in the suburbs. Take a look:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=x30ivqQEGao]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Las Vegas BRT runs like a city bus downtown and on dedicated transitways in the suburbs. Take a look:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x30ivqQEGao" >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x30ivqQEGao</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Slatt</title>
		<link>http://www.arlnow.com/2013/01/22/counterpoint-a-streetcar-supporters-take/#comment-300175</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Slatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a stated in an earlier comment I agree that sidewalks are worse than bike lanes which are worse than a protected lane like a cycle track.  Bike boulevards belong somewhere in that &quot;better than sidewalks&quot; continuum too.

Second, I challenge the assertion that sidewalks some wildly dangerous place to bike.  Much like riding in traffic there are certain dangers you need to be aware of and account for - primarily intersections.  Nobody expects something going bicycle speeds to be going down a sidewalk, so you&#039;ve got to slow way, way down anytime you cross a driveway or street.  If you&#039;re willing to do that, you can bike very safely on a sidewalk.  

With that said, the wider sidewalk is something that&#039;s achievable short-term and other accommodations aren&#039;t so why not accept the wider sidewalk as something that will help some cyclists and not others?  I don&#039;t feel comfortable staying in the travel lanes when biking westbound up the hill from the Washington Blvd bridge, so I ditch to the sidewalk now (which is abysmally narrow, absurdly bumpy and a veritable minefield of poles and other obstructions) so I&#039;ll gladly see a wider, flatter, clearer sidewalk there.  I&#039;ll also fight for any achievable on-street accommodations.  Different cyclists have different comfort levels, and if we&#039;re going to get more people on bikes we&#039;ve got to accommodate as many of them as possible so in my mind we need more of everything - wider sidewalks, more shared use paths, more bike lanes, more bike boulevards and more cycle tracks.

Also bikes coexist with Streetcars in many cities.  I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s ideal - God knows the last thing you need as a cyclist on the Pike is one more danger to think about, but it&#039;s still possible and can be done safely.  See for instance this brochure: http://parking.arizona.edu/maps/documents/SC-Bikebrochure.pdf and this video: http://bikeportland.org/2012/09/20/portland-streetcar-inc-bta-release-new-safety-video-77710

Again, I agree.  The Pike needs better bike accommodations.  A wider sidewalk won&#039;t cut it.  The bike boulevards won&#039;t cut it until the County expends the money and the effort to see them through from end to end.  But I disagree with any assertion that the wider sidewalk isn&#039;t at least an improvement.  Also I encourage you to get involved with advocacy if you aren&#039;t already.  We have a very bike friendly staff and a very bike friendly board, but many bike projects run smack into massive walls of community opposition (see Bike Boulevard detour in Arlington Heights, Washington Boulevard Trail phase 2 opposition, Shirlington Road Road Diet opposition, pretty much any attempt to make room for bike lanes by eliminating on-street parking) - the bike community needs to make itself heard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a stated in an earlier comment I agree that sidewalks are worse than bike lanes which are worse than a protected lane like a cycle track.  Bike boulevards belong somewhere in that &#8220;better than sidewalks&#8221; continuum too.</p>
<p>Second, I challenge the assertion that sidewalks some wildly dangerous place to bike.  Much like riding in traffic there are certain dangers you need to be aware of and account for &#8211; primarily intersections.  Nobody expects something going bicycle speeds to be going down a sidewalk, so you&#8217;ve got to slow way, way down anytime you cross a driveway or street.  If you&#8217;re willing to do that, you can bike very safely on a sidewalk.  </p>
<p>With that said, the wider sidewalk is something that&#8217;s achievable short-term and other accommodations aren&#8217;t so why not accept the wider sidewalk as something that will help some cyclists and not others?  I don&#8217;t feel comfortable staying in the travel lanes when biking westbound up the hill from the Washington Blvd bridge, so I ditch to the sidewalk now (which is abysmally narrow, absurdly bumpy and a veritable minefield of poles and other obstructions) so I&#8217;ll gladly see a wider, flatter, clearer sidewalk there.  I&#8217;ll also fight for any achievable on-street accommodations.  Different cyclists have different comfort levels, and if we&#8217;re going to get more people on bikes we&#8217;ve got to accommodate as many of them as possible so in my mind we need more of everything &#8211; wider sidewalks, more shared use paths, more bike lanes, more bike boulevards and more cycle tracks.</p>
<p>Also bikes coexist with Streetcars in many cities.  I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s ideal &#8211; God knows the last thing you need as a cyclist on the Pike is one more danger to think about, but it&#8217;s still possible and can be done safely.  See for instance this brochure: <a href="http://parking.arizona.edu/maps/documents/SC-Bikebrochure.pdf" >http://parking.arizona.edu/maps/documents/SC-Bikebrochure.pdf</a> and this video: <a href="http://bikeportland.org/2012/09/20/portland-streetcar-inc-bta-release-new-safety-video-77710" >http://bikeportland.org/2012/09/20/portland-streetcar-inc-bta-release-new-safety-video-77710</a></p>
<p>Again, I agree.  The Pike needs better bike accommodations.  A wider sidewalk won&#8217;t cut it.  The bike boulevards won&#8217;t cut it until the County expends the money and the effort to see them through from end to end.  But I disagree with any assertion that the wider sidewalk isn&#8217;t at least an improvement.  Also I encourage you to get involved with advocacy if you aren&#8217;t already.  We have a very bike friendly staff and a very bike friendly board, but many bike projects run smack into massive walls of community opposition (see Bike Boulevard detour in Arlington Heights, Washington Boulevard Trail phase 2 opposition, Shirlington Road Road Diet opposition, pretty much any attempt to make room for bike lanes by eliminating on-street parking) &#8211; the bike community needs to make itself heard.</p>
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		<title>By: dras</title>
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		<dc:creator>dras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Somebody probably said the same thing about paving the Pike 100 or so years ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody probably said the same thing about paving the Pike 100 or so years ago.</p>
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