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by ARLnow.com — February 1, 2013 at 9:10 am 2,592 170 Comments

A dusting of snow covers a car in Pentagon City

Accident Shuts Down GW Parkway — The northbound GW Parkway was closed this morning before Route 123 due to a reported multi-vehicle accident. Northbound traffic was being diverted onto Spout Run Parkway. [WTOP Traffic]

The Origins of Broyhill Forest — In 1952, homes in Broyhill Forest, a planned community adjacent to the Washington Golf and Country Club, went on sale for $19,000 to $27,000. Falls Church News-Press columnist Charlie Clark, a resident of Broyhill Forest, recalls the Broyhill family and their impact on Arlington. [Falls Church News-Press]

Pistol Certification Class at Arlington Church — A local firearms instruction company is offering  NRA First Steps Pistol Orientation courses at Bloss Memorial Church in Lyon Park. The course completion certificate can be used to obtain concealed carry permit in Virginia. While classroom instruction is conducted at the church, live fire portions of the class are conducted at the NRA headquarters range in Fairfax. [Liberty Firearms Instruction]

Energy Journey Game on Saturday — Arlington County is organizing an “interactive life-size board game” that offers residents a chance to “challenge yourself on everyday actions that have an energy impact.” The “Energy Journey Game” starts at 1:00 p.m. on Saturday (Feb. 2). [Fresh AIRE]

‘Georgetown Cuddler’ Conviction Overturned — An appeals court has overturned the conviction of Arlington resident Todd M. Thomas, 26, the accused “Georgetown Cuddler.” [Washington Post]

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  • mary-austin

    Not sure why a church would be involved with an organization that puts gun sales over the lives of children.

    • CourthouseChris

      Gun-lovin’ and bible-thumpin’ are highly correlated with each other.

      • GlockHeart

        Is there a shooting range inside that Ark replica?

      • novasteve

        Would you say something like that about muslims, let alone make a generalization/stereotype?

        I have a feeling you wouldn’t.

        • CourthouseChris

          Sure, koran-thumpin’ is no better… Any time rationality is sacrificed for relgiousity it’s a problem.

          • CourthouseChris

            *religiosity, spelling

          • novasteve

            We are giving up rationality in this very gun discussion. Everyone knows that all these ban proposals won’t make anyone safer, and it also takes away people’s rights, yet there is a huge rush to go through with more gun control before cooler heads prevail. Absolutely none of the proposals being proposed would have prevented Sandy Hook. And School shootings don’t occur every day, but there’s tons of urban violence that those shouting about shcool violence ignore. Notice you’re not going to hear much about the Atlanta school shooting this week because 1. didn’t involve surburban whites, and 2. an argmed guard stopped the attack.

          • CourthouseChris

            Ok steve.

          • I lolled

            “giving up rationality”

            -novasteve

      • IronHeart

        Clint Eastwood set the precedent in Pale Rider.

    • Hank

      I wonder if the NRA is essentially renting the space.

      • KalashniKEV

        The space is being rented by “Liberty Firearms Instruction, LLC.”

    • WeiQiang

      you know how this goes. some well-intentioned gun fetishist seizes on prevailing myth that “guns are a solution” to mythological or overstated threats. if you frame it in terms of misleading concepts like ‘safety’ or ‘protection’ or ‘liberty’ against ‘them’ or ‘tyranny’, the sign-up sheet fills up pretty quickly. plus, the right frame gives the church the out that they’re doing it for a greater community good, rather than falling prey to people to really just want to create more gun-porn addicts to buy their porn.

      • WeiQiang

        … people who really …

      • drax

        I’d rather be the one with the gun than the one who really really hopes nobody else has one.

        • KalashniKEV

          Don’t worry- when someone shows up to kill you it will be “mythological.”

          (Until they start talking about restricting the rights of law abiding citizens, I actually find this type of argument quite comforting… that there are still child like and innocent minds among us who have never been a victim and can’t fathom ever being in a fight for their life.)

          • Hee-Haw

            You do know that crimes have been trending downwards for years now ? Why do you think there’s always someone who wants to kill you ? Do you live in that much fear ?

          • DNFjoe

            Hee-haw, does keeping a spare tire in you car indicate a fear of getting flats? You don’t get to pick what day someone decides to make you a victim. My wife and I had an icident happen on morning jogging. Two guys threatened us, but we got away without any harm coming to us. This was on a route I jogged for 10 years incident free. It was somewhere I considered safe. On that one day it was not.

        • YTK

          amen

        • jackson

          Nice bumper sticker.

          • speonjosh

            Except that it’s not really clear what the heck it means. He’d rather have a gun than be a mass murderer?

      • YTK

        I think your logic is Wei out there beyond the stratosphere. Come back and speak plain English to us.

    • Not Me

      The unholy bastardization of the ‘message of god’ coupled with staunch gun right advocates. The ironies and contradictions abound.

      It’s a MOCHERY of the message of God and religion. It’s a total JOKE.

      All this as just this week
      -someone is currently in bunker/hostage situation in Alabama
      -an (armed) assistant DA in Texas murdered yesterday in cold blood in front of his courthouse
      -a 14 year old was shot in the head along with another student at an Atlanta school (also yesterday)
      -earlier in the week an AZ man shot 3 people killing 1 and then took his own life.

      We’ve got Gabby Giffords who can barely speak after taking a bullet to the brain talking to congress calling for change after the most shocking 6 and 7 year old massacre took place 6 weeks ago (on the heals of the Aurora CO movie theater massacre), while one of the largest raging D-bags to foul the earth, Wayne LaPierre, says more guns are the answer.

      Simply amazing.

      • Not Me

        *Mockery

        • WeiQiang

          MOCHERY = chocolate mockery

          • SomeGuy

            I assumed it was a misspelling of:
            MOOCHERY = what happens outside most metro stations, e.g., at Rosslyn where that lady’s milk crate always has a sob story written on the side while she’s around the corner barking orders at someone on her cell phone, and expecting you to drop change in her unattended collection cup.

          • Not Me

            mmmmmm….. choooocooolate…

          • CourthouseChris

            Remember the Starbucks Chantico “drinking chocolate”, I think that could accurately be described as a MOCHERY. 400 calories in a 6oz drink.

          • drax

            New restaurant concept – The Mochery. Servces only mochas and mocha-related products.

          • Crystal City

            We went from guns to chocolate to a new mocha-selling business that will take its place amongst the fro-yo and cupcakes. Man you guys are good.

      • KalashniKEV

        Think about that list you rattled off. Is greater weakness and reduced preparedness the answer? Can we possibly create a soft enough target that no one will want to attack?

        You do know that there was only one (1) person shot in the ATL School, and it was the attacker himself. The reason was because armed response was immediate.

        Imagine that… reduced fatalities (zero, actually) because armed response was *in* the school instead of showing up 20 minutes later and camping out in the parking lot. Mind boggling… indeed.

        • Not Me

          I’m with you Kev, I think everyone should have a gun. Everyone. We should all have pieces, it’ll be awesome. We’ll all be one big happy well regulated militia. Packin’ heat at weddings, funerals, churches, grocery stores, bowling alleys. I mean gosh when you think about it, guns belong pretty much everywhere – hospitals (that will be handy cause when a gun fight breaks out, you can just roll them right in for surgery), movie theaters, out to dinner on a date, capital hill, court rooms, gas stations, pre-schools. Mom’ll have a piece, Dad’ll have a piece and we’ll just all be ready for Canada or the government when they turn, cause you know it’s going to happen…. the list, well it just goes on and on.

          I don’t trust Canada.

          • KalashniKEV

            A whole lot of folks do all that… except for Capitol Hill and Court. You seem to be amusing yourself with some kind of hyperbole/ sarcasm… but I’m just shrugging my shoulders.

          • Not Me

            I am amused at your false sense of security and control.

            The most common cause of deaths occurring at homes where guns are present, by far, is suicide. Many of these self-inflicted gunshot wounds appear to be impulsive acts by people without previous evidence of mental illness.

            So… watch out for yourself Kev.

      • Hank

        Excellent summary. I don’t know how Wayne LaPierre lives with himself. I wonder if he actually believes he is saving lives.

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-at-hill-hearing-wayne-lapierre-tries-to-manhandle-facts-and-logic/2013/01/30/e31a305e-6b2e-11e2-af53-7b2b2a7510a8_story.html

        • KalashniKEV

          LaPierre straight up mopped the floor with those tyrants yesterday. The fact that this guy make a point to whine about paparazzi getting blocked by a bodyguard is sad and funny.

          • drax

            Bodyguard best not push me around up there. And I know he isn’t packing in a federal building.

          • WeiQiang

            Wayne is a GOD … maybe a little ahead of his time.

            Sonny Paluso: You think Wes is God, don’t you.
            Donald Quinelle: No, not God, Just an ordinary man. Maybe a little ahead of his time, but just an ordinary man.
            Sonny Paluso: Wes is an a$$hole.
            Donald Quinelle: Blasphemy! Oh, you’ll smoke a turd in hell for that!

      • mary-austin

        Have you seen the video of Wayne LaPierre advocating for universal background checks, exposing what a total hypocrite he is?

        Guess he decided to sell his soul when that gun industry money started flowing in!

        • KalashniKEV

          My money too. I will not accept the federal government inserting itself into a private transaction between two citizens who are residents of the same state. I told him so myself.

          • Hank

            What are you going to do about it if the federal government regulates private gun sales? Go Ruby Ridge?

          • Debs

            So…if that is the case…a private affair…why is the young lady up in Rochester, NY in SOOO much trouble for selling guns to a guy with a criminal background? Who ended up killing his sister and 2 firefighters and wounding 2 more before killing himself…and causing many houses to be leveled by fire?

          • DCBuff

            Whatever your expertise concerning the 2nd Amend. might be, Kev, you are showing zero concerning the Commerce Clause.

          • T

            I agree. Prostitution should be legal. But why do they need to be residents of the same state?

          • speonjosh

            I’m shrugging my shoulders at your repeated declarations of what you will and won’t accept. You don’t have a choice.

          • drax

            Prostitution, drug sales, sales of nuclear material or explosives. Just private transactions.

        • Douglas Parker

          “Guess he decided to sell his soul when that gun industry money started flowing in!”

          Just like our politicians and the other lobbyists. Coincidence? Heck no! Money helps rationalize just about anything.

      • xarl

        and let’s not forget paralyzed Jim Brady and the Brady Bill………

      • GoodOmens

        Even if all guns were banned tomorrow – GL actually getting people to comply. It would be mad hysteria in this country.

      • bman

        What does this have to do with gun safety?

    • JoshR

      The NRA is an organization that promotes marksmanship, safety, competition and hunting/sportsmanship. As a reaction to the recent trend to attempt to bankrupt gun manufactures and the continual assault on the second amendment, they have necessarily lobbied to protect the firearms industry. One cannot exist without the other. To say that the NRA puts gun sales over the lives of children is essentially the same as saying that Wine and Spirits Wholesalers of America puts sales of alcohol over the lives of children given the recent trend of DUIs, and the other downsides of the use of their product. Even then, this isn’t a fair comparison because the NRA does more to promote gun safety than any organization in the world, something that the W&SWoA does not do.

      I have noticed that the current trend is to attempt to lump the NRA in the same category as Big Tobacco in an attempt to marginalize American Gun Culture and to paint Pro-2nd Amendment organizations as fringe.

      • Mark Nuckols
        • KalashniKEV

          “If America experienced a widespread political uprising today, it would bear little resemblance to Lexington and Concord in 1775, with well-disciplined minutemen assembling on the town square.”

          Ummmm…. actually, that’s exactly what it would look like, except there would be a few more tweets and texts. If you’re familiar with the James Yeager incident, you know he is an idiot- but look at how quickly he raised a citizen militia ready and willing to take up arms… without even trying (or thinking).

          • speonjosh

            I think you missed the point.
            Essentially, the disparity is now too great between the government’s forces and whatever the citizens possess. At the time the Second Amendment was written, it was a very different story and arming individual citizens was a practical way to prevent tyranny. It really isn’t anymore. So this line of argument on the part of those that resist any sort of gun control measures is a bit farcical.
            In any case, I’m glad the Atlantic article was brought up because I think it’s one of the best pieces recently written on the issue. Essentially, I agree with his points, which I would think you should, too. He also thinks that more people should have guns as a way of deterring mass shootings. But he also sees the wisdom of regulating gun sales as an attempt at keeping them out of the hands of those who may be plotting such shootings or otherwise planning crimes.

        • Suburban Not Urban

          Does it really say that the current standing US Military would be capable of easily over-running a simply armed citizenry. Have you ever heard of Stalingrad? It does not even discuss the continual example in history of tyranny and control of military technology.

      • Mary-Austin

        The only purpose of the NRA is to increase the number of guns in this country and maximize profits for gun manufacturing. Safety and sportsmanship and all of that are secondary.
        Why does the NRA oppose more background checks? They might actually stop a gun sale from taking place.

        • JoshR

          Wait, you are saying that an organization that promotes the shooting sports wants more people to own guns and shoot?! Scandalous!

          The idea that there is such a thing as “Big Gun” is laughable. Looking at the list of Fortune 500 companies, I do not see a single gun manufacturer. I don’t even see The Freedom Group or Cerberus Capital Management (holding companies that in addition to other assets, own some of the larger makers). Gun manufactures would likely fall out in terms of size and profits more in line with small to medium regional business. Hardly a corporate force to be reckoned with.

          I suspect you are a pearl-clutching low information do-gooder that swallows the narrative given to you without critical thought or experience.

      • WeiQiang

        well-stated … propaganda. are you in the fisheries business, because you’ve got a whole school of red herrings mixed in there.

        their mission may be to promote those things. in practice, it is far different. “attempt to bankrupt the gun manfactures [sic]” and “assault on the second amendment [sic]” … i can see how reasonable your perspective is. if any of what you say were true, there would be a market-solution to increase the benefits of “marksmanship, safety, competition and hunting/sportsmanship” while trying desparately to generate a market solution to the notorious use of weapons. making guns the equivalent of cars with registration, required training to a LEVEL of proficiency, insurance, transfer formalities, mandatory high-tech locks/safeties, state-managed (non-federal) firearms management system … ALL of this would generate private enterprise while increase safety and reducing the use of weapons for nefarious purposes.

        unfortunately, your gun safety ruse doesn’t comport with the fact that guys love having wannabe semi-auto military weps to fulfill some fantasy or prepare for some virtually paranoid obsession with a mythical “defending against tyranny” threat.

        actually, in making a typo above, i just realized why guys fetishize military-style weapon. those guys are really concerned about “defending against TRANNY’s”, cause we all know that tranny’s do not give up with out a fight. hint: light weapons will NEVER be powerful enough to defense against tranny’s.

        • JoshR

          The problem with the car analogy is that there is not an enumerated right to own or drive a car. Once again, that pesky 2nd amendment and years of court precedent.

          There is a private market solution, it is the NRA. An organization that has done more to promote the safe and responsible use of firearms than anyone else. Something that Brady and the VPC have yet to accomplish.

          FYI, gun crime is down. Assault rifles account for about 2% of gun violence. Hardly an epidemic.

          Military style assault rifles are the weapon of choice for police and those that understand that a low recoil, semi-automatic, medium caliber gun are excellent tools for sport and defense. Let me know if you want to go shoot one, you might enjoy yourself.

          • speonjosh

            You forget that none of the “enumerated” rights are absolute. So, yeah, sure the license to drive a car analogy is not perfect, but, there is still an identifiable governmental and society interest in regulating gun sales / ownership / use. Which the courts have also upheld.

      • CourthouseChris

        “The NRA is an organization that promotes the gun industry under the guise of marksmanship, safety, competition and hunting/sportsmanship.”

        FTFY.

        • KalashniKEV

          Ohhhhh, “under the guise,” you say?

          Does the AAA promote car manufacturers “under the guise” of an Automobile Club?

          • mary-austin

            No.

          • Dezlboy

            AAA promotes their own auto, health, and life insurance, and travel agency insurance, tourist trips. The other “services” are only to give the impression of ‘public service.” Same for AARP.

          • CourthouseChris

            Come on Kev, you can do better than that.

          • speonjosh

            No, he really can’t.

      • ballstondweller

        “The NRA is an organization that promotes marksmanship, safety, competition and hunting/sportsmanship”…actually, that rather changed in the 1970s, when they became a lobby group for the manufacturers. they have just hoodwinked consumers to get them to foot the bill.
        see this washington post article: http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-01-12/politics/36311919_1_nra-leaders-nra-officers-mighty-gun-lobby
        The only thing worse than profiting off tragedy is to do it in a church.

    • torsionbar

      I think you mis-read the article. The church is leasing the space to an organization that promotes responsible defense and personal safety.

      • mary-austin

        Did you miss the part about having to go to the NRA headquarters? Nothing responsible or safe about that.

        • DNFjoe

          Part of a safety class involves actually shooting a gun. The NRA has a range where you can shoot at. It is in the NRA building but it is in the lower level and not accessable from the rest of the building. The range is larger that the privately owns ones in the area and can handle a class size group. What makes that building unsafe?

          • YTK

            Nice range. Great Range Officers.

          • Mary-Austin

            It isn’t the building that’s unsafe (although I’m sure nothing bad could happen in a place full of heavily armed gun nuts).

            It is the fact that the organization takes such irresponsible positions that place little if any value on human life.

          • DNFjoe

            mary, do you consider all Soldiers, former Service members, Police officers and other professionally trained people “gun nuts”?

        • JoshR

          I take the risk of sounding like a commercial…but it’s the truth.

          “Did you miss the part about having to go to the NRA headquarters? Nothing responsible or safe about that”

          Flat wrong. The NRA HQ range is the cleanest, safest, best run range in the region. I have been to a lot of ranges in my life, some crappy, some excellent. This local resource is right on par with Olympic level range complexes. The only downside is that it is popular and you sometimes have to wait a few hours before you get your range time.

        • 1RLI

          Sorry, but how is going to NRA headquarter neither responsible nor safe?

      • ballstondweller

        Uh-huh, sure, that makes total sense. Guns and safety totally go together. Everything supports that, except, well, the facts.

  • Louise

    Thank you for the information on the church. I’ve found contact info for the pastor and will be sharing my concerns with him. Guns do not belong in church. Jesus told us to love our enemies.

    • KalashniKEV

      That’s nice. Are you going to “love” a guy that breaks into your house at night with ill intent, or are you going to shoot him?

      • Hee-Haw

        What is the likelihood someone will break into YOUR house ?

        • KalashniKEV

          Hmmm… I don’t know. What’s the likelihood I will run over a nail on the way home?

          • Hee-Haw

            wow, you missed the point entirely. Keep living in fear and thinking you actually need a gun. If I actually knew you, I would make a bet with you…I’m willing to bet that not only will your house NOT get broken into, you will NEVER need to use any gun you own for self-defense EVER.

          • drax

            Well, hee-haw, if he’s never going to need to defend himself, why do we need gun control laws and all that? Isn’t this a response to violence in our society? Didn’t the kids in Newtown need to be defended?

          • Hee-Haw

            those are all good questions that I dont have the answer to.

          • drax

            Hee-haw, that was the best post I’ve seen on this issue in a long time.

            Everyone stakes out an angry position and then digs in their heels. Thanks for not doing that.

          • Hee-Haw

            Shocker, you want someone else to do all the commenting first so you can respond. Funny you call me out, yet Kev is the one who didn’t respond to my comment. Thanks for interjecting…again.

      • WeiQiang

        … and AWAY we go. low-probability-scenario-hysteria-to-avoid-the-rational-discussion time.

    • Skeptical

      Jesus told us to love our enemies.

      He sure did, and a fine message it was. But which major organized religion has taken it to heart and actually put it in to practice? None that I can see.

      • YTK

        Reminds me of all the Jesus Lovers who fought in the Crusades.

        • DCBuff

          Boy, are you lost in space. Anyway, those were well-armed militias exercising their 2nd amendment rights.

    • SomeGuy

      Right, Louise. “Guns do not belong in church.” Which is why churches should never call gun-toting police officers. Besides, no one would ever be threatened by a psychopath in a house of worship, because incidents like this one are outside the realm of possibility:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Sikh_temple_shooting

    • DNFjoe

      Didn’t God command Abraham to offer his son Isaac as a sacrifice? Is there also some belief in “An eye for an eye?”

  • Dezlboy

    I do was taken aback that a church would sponsor a “gun event” of any sort, unless it was Westboro Baptist. (seriously). Imagine a church in Sandy Hook holding such a class. In my opinion Bloss Memorial Church is a church in name only.

    • Clarendon

      Churches and schools in many places in the country hold gun events like raffles to raise money. There is just such a huge cultural difference on guns in this country it’s hard to see how agreement will be reached. I grew up in southern Virginia but by Northeastern parents. I was one of only a few kids in my neighborhood that didn’t have a gun of some sort by the time I was 12.

  • KalashniKEV

    Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!

  • 1RLI

    Maybe the objectors can protest the church, like the folks from Westboro Baptist who also feel they have a monopoly on knowing what God thinks.

  • Jack

    Really don’t know that many details about the gun training program, but churches often open their doors to local programs and organizations. This wouldn’t be any different especially when it is about to handle firearms properly mitigating opportunities for firearm accidents. Whether one agrees or not, it doesn’t seem extraordinary that a Church would give space to community program.

    • Dezlboy

      I may be splitting hairs, but having a class to obtain a concealed weapons permit is a “step over the line” from a class on gun safety. Heaven forbid (really) if a church member goes beserk at one of their services……..and…..

      • Andy

        Don’t clutch those pearls too tight, Sally.

      • NIMBY The Chicken

        Splitting hairs sounds right. The class is not inherently designed for getting your CC, it’s a benefit of taking it. From the site:
        “The class is designed to provide a hands-on introduction to the safe handling and proper orientation to one specific pistol action type. Students will learn the NRA’s rules for safe gun handling; the particular pistol model parts and operation; ammunition; shooting fundamentals; cleaning the pistol; and continued opportunities for skill development. Students will receive the Basics of Pistol Shooting handbook, NRA Gun Safety Rules brochure, Winchester/NRA Marksmanship Qualification booklet, FIRST Steps Course completion certificate.”

      • UrsusMajeure

        No, if you followed the link you would realize that this is a gun safety course. It is also the case that the state requires you to have taken a gun safety course as one of the requirements to obtain a concealed carry permit (which makes perfect sense), but that is not the only purpose for this course.

      • Curious George

        The First Steps class is about how to handle a pistol safely and some basic marksmanship training. While it can be used to fulfill the training requirement for a Virginia permit it is not a class on how to obtain one.

        Basic skills on how to at least check to see if a weapon is loaded and how to handle it safely are useful even if you do not own a weapon. When going through some of the boxes my grandmother left behind iI found an old pistol that my grandfather owned. I at least knew how handle it in a safe manner as opposed to doing something stupid.

        I even got my Mom to sign up for a First Steps class. I doubt she will ever own a gun but it was interesting for her and, if she ever has to deal with a weapon, she at least knows the basics.

      • So?

        So what if the church opens up their space to people in the community that want space (as most churches do). Big whoop. If you don’t like the fact that hey don’t pick and choose who’s allowed to come there according to their particular feelings on each subject, then don’t go to that church. Big whoop.

        • Ed

          The exercising of freedom is something that many people disagree with. That’s the big takeaway from the comments I am reading here.

          • drax

            The takeaway I got was “Big whoop.”

    • NIMBY The Chicken

      I had plenty of Boy Scouts meetings at Rock Spring church when I was young, no one seemed to have a problem with it. Why is this any different?

      • jackson

        Is that boy scout loaded?

        • a different kind of illogical

          not at the moment, but happy hour hasn’t started yet. However, he could just very well be homophobic. Is that any better?

    • Benedict

      it doesn’t seem extraordinary that a Church would give space to community program

      Unless it involves gays, of course.

  • dd

    Another accident shut down the GW Parkway this morning.

    Please drive more carefully–like guns, auto accidents also kill many people.

    On Washington Blvd this morning, for example, people were driving as aggressively and carelessly as usual: tailgating, cutting off other vehicles, and failing to signal or follow at a safe distance, all in wet/icy conditions.

    It’s only a matter of time before these drivers kill themselves or–worse–cause accidents that harm others.

    And what for? To save a minute of commuting time? Work sucks, what’s the big rush to get there?

    • NIMBY The Chicken

      Creepy that Washington is now shut down between 395 and 50, as per the twitter. I hope the woman trapped in her car is okay.

      • dd

        That’s the stretch of road I was referring to (though it’s no different from any other around here).

        I hope the woman is okay, too.

  • KalashniKEV

    Why would the Anti crowd be against Education and Safety?

    • torsionbar

      Because banning all guns would eliminate them entirely from circulation. Look at drugs, for example. Cocaine, Meth, Heroin, these things have been banned in all 50 states for many many years, which is why they are unavailable anywhere in the US. They’ve been eliminated from the nation, because the laws of supply and demand cease to apply when you pass legislation.

      • http://bobsvercl.com bobco85

        Thank you for the hearty laugh!

      • legal eagle

        So true – we should get rid of all laws because people sometimes break them

        • speonjosh

          “sometimes”? I think you miss the point. There is nothing “sometimes” about drug use / dealing. It makes no sense to continue to have many of those laws on the books. A massive waste.
          Torsionbar’s post is ineffectual because no one is seriously advocating for “all” guns to be banned.

  • Wow&Flutter

    Matthew 5:43-48 (New International Version)
    38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, Do not resist an evildoer. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also; 40 and if anyone wants to sue you and take your coat, give your cloak as well; 41 and if anyone forces you to go one mile, go also the second mile. 42 Give to everyone who begs from you, and do not refuse anyone who wants to borrow from you. 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be children of your Father in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

    AMEN!

    • Hee-Haw

      Thanks for that Ray Lewis !

    • Libby

      Luke 22:36 (King James Version)
      Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

      • Wow&Flutter

        Then maybe instead that church should be hosting swordfighting certification class instead?

        • Libby

          Are you really such a literalist? If that’s the case, them I’m sure that you condemn homosexuality. Be careful when using the bible to justify your position. Better you should take it to guide your own life and not to direct the lives of others. (You know, that whole beam and mote thing.)

          • Wow&Flutter

            Not always a literalist, only when it’s convenient to make a clever response to a comment. So I pull a quote from the Bible about peace, make a snarky comment, and you jump to the conclusions that I’m a judgmental hypocrite, “condemn homosexuality” and “wish to direct the lives of others”? Wow. Nevertheless, I got nothing but love for you and everybody else.

          • KalashniKEV

            So we have to shut off our brains to understand? That must be what I’m doing wrong.

          • CW

            Ironically, Wow&Flutter is no more of a literalist with the swordfighting reference than the gun nuts are with their “strict interpretation” of the 2nd Amendment. Of course, they love to pick and choose at the constitution when it suits their needs…

    • Dr_Spaceman

      Sounds like someone is a little late taking their meds this morning!

      • Wow&Flutter

        Sounds like someone can’t come up with anything original or constructive to say!

        • Dr_Spacemen

          Thanks for the lesson in irony!

          • Wow&Flutter

            You’re welcome! I was sensing an irony deficiency.

    • drax

      So do you follow this passage, W&F? You’ve given away all your stuff?

      • Wow&Flutter

        I guess I try, but I’m not perfect. Need something?

  • Dezlboy

    FWIW..I think I’ve about ran out of useful things to say on this topic. :-) But, reguardless of what the (gun) class covers, even if just safety, I still feel uncomfortable with guns in a church. Just don’t ssem appropriate. But, I that’s just me.

    • Hee-Haw

      You’ll want one when Bill and the Deadly Viper Assassination squad comes in…

    • KalashniKEV

      I can sort of see your point. People get murdered at work, school, movie theaters, the post office… but nothing bad ever happens at Church.

    • Buster

      “I still feel uncomfortable with guns in a church.”

      Then don’t go. Problem solved.

      • novasteve

        That’s not how the left rolls. If they dont like something, they ban it, rather than avoid it.

        • WeiQiang

          … and yet you are still able to post here.

        • jackson

          Kinda like the right wants to do with homosexuality, marijuana use, women’s reproductive rights, etc?

    • http://bobsvercl.com bobco85

      It depends on what you think they are doing. Will it be a sermon where everyone will be sitting in pews preaching the “Gospel of the Gun Barrel?” Probably not. Most likely it will just be a gun safety class held in the church basement/multi-purpose room that will take place like most other community functions.

      Interesting fact: it is only legal to bring a weapon into a church if the church is not being used for a religious meeting! Virginia Code § 18.2-283

      • Libby

        That bitin the code about “good and sufficient reason” always amused me.

        • KalashniKEV

          Repeat after me, “All Lawful Purposes.”

    • bman

      What makes you thinks there will be guns in the church?
      It’s probably just a slide show presentation.

    • Homeowner

      If it makes you uncomfortable, just don’t go.

  • Eddie

    Martin Luther King on guns:

    “By our silence, by our willingness to compromise principle, by our constant attempt to cure the cancer of racial injustice with the Vaseline of gradualism, by our readiness to allow arms to be purchased at will and fired at whim, by allowing our movie and television screens to teach our children that the hero is one who masters the art of shooting and the technique of killing, by allowing all these developments, we have created an atmosphere in which violence and hatred have become popular pastimes.”

    He said this after President Kennedy’s assassination and several years after he was denied a concealed weapons permit in Alabama.

    Anybody remember how Dr. King’s mother died? Shot to death at the organ of her church in 1974.

    • drax

      “the Vaseline of gradualism”

      Wonder why those words aren’t remembered.

      • snarl

        connotation vs denotation?

    • WeiQiang

      amen, Martin. popular pastimes. it is beyond guns as recreation. it is guns as addiction. NRA as the drug seller.

      • novasteve

        If you guys are quoting MLK on his views on guns, what do you think he felt about gay marriage? Or do you guys get to pick and choose which aspects of the man you will use to achieve your agenda?

        • SCLC

          Bayard Rustin, Martin Luther King, Jr.’s colleague and the organizer of the 1963 March on Washington was openly gay, so he’d most likely be in favor.

        • drax

          Yes, you can pick and choose.

          You know, like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, who owned slaves.

  • huggybear

    What would happen if the Serial Groper and the Georgetown Cuddler ran into each other?

    • JamesE

      With special guest appearance by Trevor

  • novasteve

    Not true bobco, you can bring a gun to a church during a religious meeting if you have “good and sufficient reason” to do so. read the link you provided.

  • WoodyHeart

    Maybe the church misheard and thought it was a gub training class.

  • novasteve

    Hey Kev, would you like to go to the NRA range some time?

    • Hank

      That would be one sexy date. Can I watch?

      • Not Me

        This would be like getting the gatekeeper and keymaster together.

        • Okay

          more like dumb and dumber

        • StayPuffMarshMan

          Well said.

          • Hank

            And when all is said and done, both parties would be covered in frothy cream… just like in Ghostbusters.

          • CourthouseChris

            Well this has been one of the most hilarious threads yet. Thanks to all.

      • drax

        It would be like watching a scene with Steve Buscemi and John Goodman in “The Big Lebowski.”

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0OaeMYTbs4

  • Robert

    There is that pesky quote in the bible “you live by the sword, you die by the sword”.
    Fill in the modern day weapon (gun) for sword and you have the same meaning.
    Religious hypocrisy is always astounding.

  • DERP

    I agree. We should outlaw proper training, safety, handling and teaching of gun laws to law abiding citizens, while at the same time not supporting a local business.

  • Cap’t Omar

    Please link NRA and gun control to the streetcar debate. Thank you.

    • drax

      If only buses with criminals in them drive on the Pike, only criminals on buses will have guns.

  • bobbytiger

    We took Mark’s course at the Lyon Park Community Center last year. Yes, that Lyon Park Community Center, where many in the association were, umm…., up in arms about a gun safety/training course. Great instruction, + nice NRA shoot experience.

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