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Can people not drive in the DC area?

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7:22 pm
February 22, 2012


autoexecbat

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I have a theory on this, cultivated after 8 years of living in DC and contrasted with having grown up and learning to drive in Atlanta:

DC has a unique combination of factors that make driving more hectic and therefore slower:

1. Lots of pedestrians and bikers. They're everywhere. They could pop out at any moment. They sometimes ride on a bike trail, sometimes on a sidewalk, sometimes in the street. This is not a value judgment about bikers or joggers (don't want to start a "thing" here) but a factor that makes people more cautious. Most of the south is not necessarily pedestrian friendly and things tend not to be walking distance like they are in DC. Parking is plentiful in the Atlanta, for example, so even in situations where walking is an option, it's generally not done.

2. Interchanges are cramped: My least favorite interchange is the GW Parkway North when it splits off to go to the Memorial  bridge or continues through a series of merges towards Spout Run and on to 495. It's like level 6-4 of Super Mario Brothers: you only make it through to your destination if you know the exact sequence of merges to take. Cramped interchanges are the result of valuable land and higher density. A cramped interchange means that even if I know exactly where to go, I still have to time my merges to fit into a smaller slice of time, and that's not to mention whether or not other people know where they're going. Many major cities where land is cheaper have HUGE interchanges that are predictable in nature. They are the standard interstate exit with an overpass exit and the easy ability to turn around and double back if you miss an exit. Where does that exist in DC? Nowhere, so people are much more cautious about not missing turns or exits.

3. Tourists and transient culture: Simply put, there are probably more people driving around the DC area on a given day that don't know exactly where they're going than a lot of other cities. It took me two years of living here before I was comfortable getting most any place without referring to GPS or a map. Tourists understandably have a hard time with it and so do people who've just moved here.

4. More cops. I don't have the numbers to necessarily back this up, but driving around the District (and to a lesser degree Arlington and Alexandria) and you can't help but notice there that are TONS of cops. They aren't necessarily the type of cops that can or will give you a ticket if they see you speeding (WMATA police or NPS police, for example) but cops make people go slower.

I could come up with other reasons and these factors are not unique to DC, but driving in DC *is* qualitatively different and I think these are major reasons why.

8:14 pm
February 22, 2012


thecharlesriver

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Washington DC and Baltimore MD drivers are statistically the worst drivers in the United States.

12:40 am
February 23, 2012


Cate

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redstang423 said:

I miss driving in Boston too… Everyone's a crazy driver there too, for the most part (heck, bumper to bumper traffic can be moving at 70 mph there), but we're at least predictable crazy. Or so this Masshole would like to think… It's the unpredictable people that are scary.

 

This is exactly how I've tried to explain Masshole drivers – crazy, but predictably so.  I've gotten confused responses to that, but I feel like you have to have lived there to really get it.

7:27 am
February 23, 2012


Bluemontsince1961

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JamesE said:

I grew up here and have watched it get worse and worse

Ditto for me!

How about the politicians worry about their morals and character and leave us alone.

8:57 am
February 23, 2012


JamesE

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The main problem with this area is you have people from all over the country and world coming here, they each have their own uniquely crazy driving style and when merged together form into a giant charlie foxtrot.

10:13 am
February 23, 2012


ksu499

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I'm not sure I can accurately gauge the abilities of metro Washington drivers, but when I moved up here from Atlanta a couple of year ago, my car insurance premium dropped 50%, so it's pretty obvious my chances of getting run into up here are less than in Atlanta.

10:32 am
February 23, 2012


novasteve

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ksu499 said:

I'm not sure I can accurately gauge the abilities of metro Washington drivers, but when I moved up here from Atlanta a couple of year ago, my car insurance premium dropped 50%, so it's pretty obvious my chances of getting run into up here are less than in Atlanta.

Car theft is a major reason for the cost of insurance

11:23 am
February 23, 2012


NoVapologist

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It's the high density of illegal immigrants and brown flip flops.

11:39 am
February 23, 2012


JamesE

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NoVapologist said:

It's the high density of illegal immigrants and brown flip flops.

Flip flops account for 50% of all Arlington traffic accidents.

12:45 pm
February 23, 2012


Clarendon Cruiser

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NoVapologist said:

It's the high density of illegal immigrants and brown flip flops.

Whooa Dude, I take my brown flip flops off before driving!

1:03 pm
February 23, 2012


Clarendon Cruiser

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Here's my take, based on experience of where I've lived:

 

- Germany – attentive, courteous, anal retentive about driving in the right lane when not passing, will yield to higher horsepower autos.  Germans actually EAT and DRINK coffee ONLY at rest stops.  In Germany, merge and exit ramps are even smaller than here.

 

- Massachusetts – Rude, will tell you how they feel about your driving skills, use horns excessively, at intersections will make illegal left turns in front of you before the light turns green, can drive in up to 3 feet of snow.

 

- NC – Rain in the winter?, school is cancelled and nobody can drive faster than 10 mph.  Shortage of Toilet paper, you get the picture.

 

- DC, NOVA, MD.  Inattentive, distracted and stupid, will proceed into intersection even though they cannot get across (blocking the cross traffic).  Drink coffee, operate cell phone in left lane, applies makeup.  Drives vehicles excessively sized and powered for US road conditions.

 

Whatever happened to two hands on the wheel, unless you are shifting, and anticipating the road ahead?

1:18 pm
February 23, 2012


Bluemontsince1961

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Clarendon Cruiser said:


 
Whatever happened to two hands on the wheel, unless you are shifting, and anticipating the road ahead?

Exactly! 

How about the politicians worry about their morals and character and leave us alone.

1:57 pm
February 23, 2012


redstang423

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Post edited 1:57 pm – February 23, 2012 by redstang423


Clarendon Cruiser said:

- Massachusetts – Rude, will tell you how they feel about your driving skills, use horns excessively, at intersections will make illegal left turns in front of you before the light turns green, can drive in up to 3 feet of snow.

 

Boston / Pittsburgh Left: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P…..burgh_left

 

I'll add two more to your list from my experiences:

- Los Angeles – Either completely laid back drivers not caring about the world around them (e.g. 4 cars driving side by side at 50 mph in a 65 mph zone on a 4 lane highway) or self-important jerks that zip through traffic at 90+ mph and find the shoulders to be acceptable passing lanes. When it rains, the drivers are worse than DC or even NC drivers when it "snows."

- Guam – Zero concept of safe driving. The maximum speed limit is 35 mph, but there are small sections where you can regularly find people driving 70+ mph (granted, there isn't any reason for those sections to have such low speed limits). People will drive 15 mph in a 35 mph zone. Anyone will pull a u-turn anywhere, at any time, and from any lane with no warning. Drivers will pull out in front of you no matter how close you are to the intersection. Worst of all, red lights don't mean "stop" – they mean you have about 5 more seconds to get through the light. Unfortunately, that's not even an exaggeration. 

3:30 pm
February 23, 2012


D'oh!

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Clarendon Cruiser said:

- Germany – attentive, courteous, anal retentive about driving in the right lane when not passing, will yield to higher horsepower autos.  Germans actually EAT and DRINK coffee ONLY at rest stops.  In Germany, merge and exit ramps are even smaller than here.

 

 Germans also have to actually earn a drivers license, unlike in the U.S. where they're given away to everyone. Hell, you can even take a class to skip the driver's test in VA.  

8:58 pm
February 23, 2012


courthound

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Clarendon Cruiser said:

- NC – Rain in the winter?, school is cancelled and nobody can drive faster than 10 mph.  Shortage of Toilet paper, you get the picture.

You left out the part of prepping a cigarette butt bomb to flick out and explode on your windshield.

9:51 pm
February 23, 2012


novasteve

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What happens in Germany with English speakers who see the Einfahrt and Ausfahrt signs?? Well other than me since they didn't make me chuckle on my drive from Frankfurt to Koeln.

11:30 pm
February 23, 2012


awh hells bells

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In recent history the evolution of 'family' vehicle marketed to the American public has been: the station wagon -> the minivan -> the ubiquitous SUV. I remember when the Ford Expedition first came out and thinking it was a monstrosity and then Ford upped the ante with the Excursion. Ford is only one of a number of manufacturer guilty of participating in the SUV arms race, but it is my contention that drivers of large SUVs are one of the biggest culprits distracted driving or at the very least arrogant driving. There is obviously a demand for behemoths such as the Excursion or Suburban but they are impractical and have far too many blindspots. $h!tty drivers drive all manner of vehicles but the less SUVs on the road the better. People around here lament about potholes and poor road conditions though there are hardly any roads which necessitate a massive 4x4 drive vehicle. Hardly any Americans doing day-to-day driving need a 4x4 SUV/suburban assault vehicle for that matter. I challenge anybody in the area to spend some time driving in Guatemala or Peru, or better yet Johannesburg, South Africa…you're return to driving around the DMV will be pure tranquilty. Serenity now!

6:03 am
February 24, 2012


thecharlesriver

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Post edited 6:06 am – February 24, 2012 by thecharlesriver


awh hells bells said:

In recent history the evolution of 'family' vehicle marketed to the American public has been: the station wagon -> the minivan -> the ubiquitous SUV. I remember when the Ford Expedition first came out and thinking it was a monstrosity and then Ford upped the ante with the Excursion. Ford is only one of a number of manufacturer guilty of participating in the SUV arms race, but it is my contention that drivers of large SUVs are one of the biggest culprits distracted driving or at the very least arrogant driving. There is obviously a demand for behemoths such as the Excursion or Suburban but they are impractical and have far too many blindspots. $h!tty drivers drive all manner of vehicles but the less SUVs on the road the better. People around here lament about potholes and poor road conditions though there are hardly any roads which necessitate a massive 4x4 drive vehicle. Hardly any Americans doing day-to-day driving need a 4x4 SUV/suburban assault vehicle for that matter. I challenge anybody in the area to spend some time driving in Guatemala or Peru, or better yet Johannesburg, South Africa…you're return to driving around the DMV will be pure tranquilty. Serenity now!

Likewise goes for buying a moderate size home built in the 40's in a neighborhood with similar homes, tearing it down,  and building a McMansion in its place which dwarfs all the other homes. Most of these people don't "need" all that space but they want it for whatever reason. I think a lot want it because of the incessant need around here to always feel "one up" on everybody else. Same goes for the big SUV's.It's a status symbol. That said, I prefer to let the market weed out these vehicles, and it will if its allowed to.  I can tell you one thing, they aren't all rich Republican conservatives driving them around here. Indeed quite the opposite.

7:29 am
February 24, 2012


Bluemontsince1961

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awh hells bells said:

In recent history the evolution of 'family' vehicle marketed to the American public has been: the station wagon -> the minivan -> the ubiquitous SUV. I remember when the Ford Expedition first came out and thinking it was a monstrosity and then Ford upped the ante with the Excursion. Ford is only one of a number of manufacturer guilty of participating in the SUV arms race, but it is my contention that drivers of large SUVs are one of the biggest culprits distracted driving or at the very least arrogant driving. There is obviously a demand for behemoths such as the Excursion or Suburban but they are impractical and have far too many blindspots. $h!tty drivers drive all manner of vehicles but the less SUVs on the road the better. People around here lament about potholes and poor road conditions though there are hardly any roads which necessitate a massive 4x4 drive vehicle. Hardly any Americans doing day-to-day driving need a 4x4 SUV/suburban assault vehicle for that matter. I challenge anybody in the area to spend some time driving in Guatemala or Peru, or better yet Johannesburg, South Africa…you're return to driving around the DMV will be pure tranquilty. Serenity now!

Amen and right on!

How about the politicians worry about their morals and character and leave us alone.

7:29 am
February 24, 2012


Bluemontsince1961

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thecharlesriver said:

Likewise goes for buying a moderate size home built in the 40's in a neighborhood with similar homes, tearing it down,  and building a McMansion in its place which dwarfs all the other homes. Most of these people don't "need" all that space but they want it for whatever reason. I think a lot want it because of the incessant need around here to always feel "one up" on everybody else. Same goes for the big SUV's.It's a status symbol. That said, I prefer to let the market weed out these vehicles, and it will if its allowed to.  I can tell you one thing, they aren't all rich Republican conservatives driving them around here. Indeed quite the opposite.

Exactly!

How about the politicians worry about their morals and character and leave us alone.



 
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