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11:01 pm February 15, 2012
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As a young person and new to the Arlington area, I have been lurking and following the posts on ARLnow for a couple of months. Mostly to get a feel about the area in terms of its demographic / make-up, and to learn about the goings on, sites, things to do, and the neighborhoods. So far, I've enjoyed living here. Arlington is a nice area although I do miss my hometown. I don't want to say where I am from for fear of creating some sort of bias and/or prejudice against me, a demographic, a geographic area, a politic, et al.
There is one thing I've noticed here in Arlington and especially on these ARLnow forums: why is it that people tend to be either "conservative" or "liberal" and that's that? Period. There does not seem to be any room or "gray area" anywhere here. Quite a few of the posts on these forums either start out or plunge into conservative vs. liberal rants, biases, arguments, etc. no matter what the original topic. Yes, I understand that politics are important and have a profound affect (as well as an effect) on us all. And I understand that arguments and debates are a good thing and that differing views are also a good thing. But why is it that these forums seem to always end up (at least a great deal of these forum topics) tasting of the same old argument day after day after day? Conservatives: you suck. Liberals: you suck. I don't get it. It's like a mini government here. I'm right. You're wrong.
Why are there only two views? Is that all there is?
It's as though these two views, in their most base definition, seem to be the only argument here on both sides. So much name calling. So many people thinking they have the right view or the right answer. Does anyone have the right answer? Ever?
Its doesn't seem to matter if the post is about dog sh*t, a grocery store, parking, cars, restaurants, bars, et al.
I understand this is a long post and I also understand that I am young and new to the area. I get that I have a lot to learn, as it were. So please don't scold me. I also understand that this sort of thing isn't exclusive to Arlington. I just wanted to post my thoughts.
I would appreciate some replies (no doubt I'll get them). I'm here to understand. Understand the area I'm now living in and understand the people population I'm living among. I hope this post makes some sense. Maybe I'm just ignorant.
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12:38 am February 16, 2012
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When I first moved here a long time ago I wish we had bulletin boards such these to learn about the community. We had the City Paper in which I would see ads which went to great length to make sure their political positions were very well known.
Maybe it's something about the political client or the election season. It's not just here but several places around the country people are less tolerant of others.
Call them what you want but there are going to be a-holes, d-bags and jerks in every bunch. They eventually become laughable.
Welcome to Arlington. It is a great place to live. So much so my wife and I moved away and pined every day to move back, which we finally did.
Have a nice long stroll on our bike paths then some chicken at El Pollo Rico, a Monday night 1/2 price burger at Whitlows, a beer at Galaxy Hut, stop by District Taco and enjoy some good music at Iota. There's a lot to love about this county; don't let a few jerks make you think the entire county is as polarized as these message boards.
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6:08 am February 16, 2012
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Post edited 7:01 am – February 16, 2012 by thecharlesriver
ARLnew said:
As a young person and new to the Arlington area, I have been lurking and following the posts on ARLnow for a couple of months. Mostly to get a feel about the area in terms of its demographic / make-up, and to learn about the goings on, sites, things to do, and the neighborhoods. So far, I've enjoyed living here. Arlington is a nice area although I do miss my hometown. I don't want to say where I am from for fear of creating some sort of bias and/or prejudice against me, a demographic, a geographic area, a politic, et al.
There is one thing I've noticed here in Arlington and especially on these ARLnow forums: why is it that people tend to be either "conservative" or "liberal" and that's that? Period. There does not seem to be any room or "gray area" anywhere here. Quite a few of the posts on these forums either start out or plunge into conservative vs. liberal rants, biases, arguments, etc. no matter what the original topic. Yes, I understand that politics are important and have a profound affect (as well as an effect) on us all. And I understand that arguments and debates are a good thing and that differing views are also a good thing. But why is it that these forums seem to always end up (at least a great deal of these forum topics) tasting of the same old argument day after day after day? Conservatives: you suck. Liberals: you suck. I don't get it. It's like a mini government here. I'm right. You're wrong.
Why are there only two views? Is that all there is?
It's as though these two views, in their most base definition, seem to be the only argument here on both sides. So much name calling. So many people thinking they have the right view or the right answer. Does anyone have the right answer? Ever?
Its doesn't seem to matter if the post is about dog sh*t, a grocery store, parking, cars, restaurants, bars, et al.
I understand this is a long post and I also understand that I am young and new to the area. I get that I have a lot to learn, as it were. So please don't scold me. I also understand that this sort of thing isn't exclusive to Arlington. I just wanted to post my thoughts.
I would appreciate some replies (no doubt I'll get them). I'm here to understand. Understand the area I'm now living in and understand the people population I'm living among. I hope this post makes some sense. Maybe I'm just ignorant.
The area is comprised of a lot of very parochial extremely self-centered jerks, with some decent people sprinkled in. Many of the decent people don't usually stay over the long haul though, given the cut throat environment. And the cut-throat nature is passive-aggressive. Very rarely will any of the cut-throaters come at you with a frontal assault. They almost always try to take you from the flanks.
And I agree that there is a lot to offer here. But the people, not geography, make a community and it has more than its fair-share of jerks in my opinion. And I've heard that from many others. My opinion. This will get a lot of thumbs down because the truth hurts some people. 
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8:13 am February 16, 2012
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I think what you're seeing is more a function of self-selection and the internet than Arlington. Raging moderates don't tend to post as much and certainly not with as much hyperbole. That's true just about everywhere, not just on Arlnow. Furthermore the internet brings out the worst in people, especially places that allow anonymous posting. (Anonymous posting has a lot of value but alas it does give people license to be assholes.)
So please don't take what you see here as all representative of Arlington. I've lived in lots of places in several different states and I love it here.
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8:14 am February 16, 2012
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Because its Washington?
Between this being the most politically charged city ever, and the fact that just about everyone that has lived here for more than six months is a heartless SOB, people form opinions and god dammit I'm right. I don't want to raise a family anywhere near this city, nobody has any values around here except "I win". If you are here for work, and your values and morals don't include being a jackass, attempt to enjoy yourself and put that you lived here on your facebook timeline, but don't set any roots in.
I figure honesty is better than trying to defend this town.
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8:21 am February 16, 2012
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9:02 am February 16, 2012
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Post edited 9:03 am – February 16, 2012 by CW
Well, part of why the arguments break out is that ARLnow often selects topics that are clearly intended to be polarizing and thus generate buzz.
As to the area itself, I love the County and its amenities but the people are frankly not nice, by and large. I mean, there are really only a fixed number of types. People who have been here forever and think it's going to hell in a handbasket; they want a hardware store on every corner and nothing else, so they're angry. People who are new here from college and think it's their playground. Conniving political types. And the money, my god, the money. Nothing breeds self-entitlement like money and status. You went to Penn? Well, I went to Princeton. You're a Director? Well, I'm a partner…
And it is self-perpetuating. I'm guilty of it too. I'm guilty of taking the bait online, and I'm guilty of acting this way in person sometimes. Past places I've lived, I'd say hi and talk to my neighbors or people who I cross paths with, etc. But here it's "get out of my way, I'm on my phone and I've got my Starbucks and my dogs and my double-wide stroller and I'm better than you". This was really startling to me when I moved here. So after enough snubs I just learned to look down and not say anything to anybody. Which in turn makes me look like a jerk too.
When I go to small towns I am sometimes taken aback when strangers start up friendly conversation; I have to remind myself that this is how most of the world operates.
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9:07 am February 16, 2012
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Reasonable post.
I know people who only read the articles and skip the snark. That is healthy but sometimes there is good stuff in there.
Keyboards are the danger. People hide behind them. This online forum isn't all that different than others. Think of the bell curve — only the ends of the bell curve tend to routinely post here.
It would appear that some people also make posts just to incite others. Sometimes even for good reason.
Arlington is the best place in the world. Enjoy it.
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9:27 am February 16, 2012
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Welcome to the world of internet message boards
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9:27 am February 16, 2012
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First of all, welcome to Arlington. It's an interesting place to live, with lots and lots to offer, and I hope you enjoy your stay here no matter how long it is. I've lived here for more than 30 years, and although I never intended to stay here this long, it's now home to me and my family.
You asked a long question, and deserve a long (and hopefully thoughtful) response. John Kennedy once described Washington as a "city of southern efficiency and northern charm." You may be running into some of that charm here in this forum. I tend to agree with yequalsy — that there is a self-selection at work here, and that raging moderates tend not to post; or if they do, that their posts aren't quite as lively (read vitriolic) as some of the others.
With that being said, for better or for worse, a large part of our identity in Arlington is our proximity to Washington, which implicates politics. We're the home of Congressmen and Senators; one of your neighbors may be writing the legislation to extend the payroll tax holiday for the House Ways and Means Committee or the Senate Finance Committee. Others may serve in the Foreign Service, or hold a position in one of the cabinet departments or independent agencies in the government. In some respects it's hard to separate Arlington from Washington; and in fact, until the passage of the Retrocession Act of 1846, Arlington was part of the original District of Columbia. And because of our proximity to, and association with, Washington, we probably have a disproportionate number of people here who are interested in, and perhaps involved with, politics.
But in addition to the political types, there are plenty of other smart, interesting people who live here. I remember back when one of my kids was on one of our many soccer teams, and among the parents were two professional economists. I was standing with them on the sidelines during a game, listening as they held an informed discussion about the economic problems in Argentina, and I thought to myself just how remarkable this was, and how lucky we are, to have such people as friends and neighbors. Had we been on a sideline in any other part of the country, what are the chances that two of my son's team mates had fathers who were trained economists, and interested enough in international economics to have this conversation?
And although some of the posters bring an attitude to this site, I've noticed on more than one occasion the same kind of thing here — that there are a remarkable number of posts that are well-written; that are informed; and that are civil too. I tend to avoid reading, and certainly don't respond to, the more provocative posts — I'm not going to change anyone's mind, and why get into an argument on the Internet? But if you separate the wheat from the chaff there is often some good stuff posted here. You'll recognize soon enough which posters have something meaningful to contribute and which are the Internet arsonists with a ready supply of gasoline.
So welcome to Arlington! It's a great place to live, and if you tire of what the immediate area has to offer there is plenty more around us — the beach is only a couple of hours away; same thing for the mountains; Civil War battlegrounds; Broadway — whatever floats your boat. Hope you enjoy your stay here, whether it's measured in years, decades, or however long you're with us.
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9:38 am February 16, 2012
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CW said:
As to the area itself, I love the County and its amenities but the people are frankly not nice, by and large. I mean, there are really only a fixed number of types. People who have been here forever and think it's going to hell in a handbasket; they want a hardware store on every corner and nothing else, so they're angry. People who are new here from college and think it's their playground. Conniving political types. And the money, my god, the money. Nothing breeds self-entitlement like money and status. You went to Penn? Well, I went to Princeton. You're a Director? Well, I'm a partner…
I lived in Courthouse & Clarendon for about 10 years and honestly felt this way as well for a long time. I think once you get out of the Orange line corridor and back into the neighborhoods things dramatically change. My neighbors are some of the greatest people around and we are always stopping and talking to people in the streets; it does feel like a small town at times. Some of my friends in other areas of Arlington also have the same experiences with their neighborhoods. Frankly, it was a breath of fresh air to get out of the Clarendon area and meet people who are more interested in community rather than complaining about the latest restaurant to open.
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9:50 am February 16, 2012
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Good post. As was said before, you tend to only get people that are most passionate about one point or another to post. Another thing to keep in mind is that while I'm pretty new here too, but it seems there may be about 20 people that post here regularly, with handfuls of people that post every now and then. Those 20 regular posters make .01% of the Arlington population. That's definitely not a proper cross section of the population.
I'm not sure much of the attitudes of people in Arlington/DC is very "unique." DC will by nature be much more politically charged, but I believe the generally self-absorbed attitudes you see is just part of life in a big city. You see egocentric people all over the country when you start talking about big cities (DC has their politicians, NYC has Wall Street, Boston has doctors, LA has show business, etc.). Keep in mind that one tends to also only notice or remember the jerks – for each jerk you run into, you probably didn't take notice of a hundred people that aren't showing the sense of incredible self-importance.
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9:51 am February 16, 2012
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I wouldn't judge the attitudes of a community based on its message board contributors. Message boards attract nutcases like NovaSteve and KalashniKEV, and bring the irrationality out of otherwise normal people. I've lived in Arlington for 8 1/2 years; people here are more opinionated, but in general we're pretty civil in real life when we talk about our opinions (and plenty of people are moderates). It's just that on message boards, the ends of the spectrum tend to dominate the conversation.
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9:54 am February 16, 2012
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courthound said:
Maybe it's something about the political client or the election season. It's not just here but several places around the country people are less tolerant of others.
Call them what you want but there are going to be a-holes, d-bags and jerks in every bunch. They eventually become laughable.
Welcome to Arlington. It is a great place to live. So much so my wife and I moved away and pined every day to move back, which we finally did.
Have a nice long stroll on our bike paths then some chicken at El Pollo Rico, a Monday night 1/2 price burger at Whitlows, a beer at Galaxy Hut, stop by District Taco and enjoy some good music at Iota. There's a lot to love about this county; don't let a few jerks make you think the entire county is as polarized as these message boards.
Very good points made here. I would also add (this is for you, ARLnew) that you are living in an area where people tend to be in a rushed, impatient state of mind. With that, people will often forget about (or completely disregard) being polite and even-headed as they instead focus solely on their end goal (drivers/cyclists/pedestrians getting to/from work, customers waiting in line, commuters getting to the Metro station, anyone on the sidewalk, the list goes on). You should be aware of that and be patient, anticipate when someone is going to be rude, and be able to speak up or be proactive should there be a problem so that you are not taken advantage of (or in short: be patient, conscious, and assertive).
As a lifetime (minus a few years in college) resident, I can attest that you will find areas (bars, cafes, parks, etc.) where people are polite. You just won't be able to hear them as much because being loud can be rude 
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10:00 am February 16, 2012
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I have lived here for now 9 years and know exactly what you mean. So far this is what I have figured out….
1) Washington is a town based on Ideology as opposed to either Facts, science, history, or logic.
2) Washington is a southern town and in southern culture there is a saying "right church, wrong pew." Everything from from where you work to where you live is ranked, evaluated, and judged by others. You just don't see this in the west and northeast as much as it is ingrained in Washing culture.
3) Since the Washington area is based on ideology (#1) and "status" (#2), there is a very myopic view of the world outside the Washington area and a resistance to doing anything new of different. This is why the capital of the most powerful country in the history of the world is boring and dull.
4) There are two populations in the Washington area. Those who have grown up here and will never leave and those who are economic migrants who can't leave due to kids and jobs. Both groups are good people but each is different in their own way.
5) Washington is easy (with the exception of the traffic) compared to most other large cities. Jobs tend to be more manageable, Its not too big and and easy to lean. If you in non-profit or a government job you will have a lot more vacation and good benefits.
I hope you enjoy you stay and that you don't fall in to the ideological trap…….
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10:01 am February 16, 2012
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I'm a "nutcase" because I don't share your opinions? Typical liberal. You are tolerant, really tolerant, unless someone dares to not share your views. Unlike most of you transients, I'm a native of this area. I didn't flee some area thinking I was too good for where I came from. I'm not the ones here who look down upon working class people, I'm not the ones who uses "redneck" to insult people because you think they are beneath you. I'm not the one who thinks the mark of someone's worht is their money, status, or what countries they've been to. You cannot tolerate anyone who dares to not share your liberal views.
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10:03 am February 16, 2012
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"Washington is a city of Southern efficiency and Northern charm."
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10:08 am February 16, 2012
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DSS10 said:
2) Washington is a southern town and in southern culture there is a saying "right church, wrong pew." Everything from from where you work to where you live is ranked, evaluated, and judged by others. You just don't see this in the west and northeast as much as it is ingrained in Washing culture.
Is this a southern thing, or a city thing? I grew up in the north, a little over an hour away from Boston. I didn't see the ranking/judging in my area for the most part, but you go in Boston and sure seemed to. Same thing with NYC, Philly, and LA. I haven't spent enough time in other cities, especially in the south, to have any other points of comparison.
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10:11 am February 16, 2012
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novasteve said:
I'm a "nutcase" because I don't share your opinions? Typical liberal. You are tolerant, really tolerant, unless someone dares to not share your views. Unlike most of you transients, I'm a native of this area. I didn't flee some area thinking I was too good for where I came from. I'm not the ones here who look down upon working class people, I'm not the ones who uses "redneck" to insult people because you think they are beneath you. I'm not the one who thinks the mark of someone's worht is their money, status, or what countries they've been to. You cannot tolerate anyone who dares to not share your liberal views.
This is exactly what I was talking about……
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10:21 am February 16, 2012
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redstang423 said:
DSS10 said:
2) Washington is a southern town and in southern culture there is a saying "right church, wrong pew." Everything from from where you work to where you live is ranked, evaluated, and judged by others. You just don't see this in the west and northeast as much as it is ingrained in Washing culture.
Is this a southern thing, or a city thing? I grew up in the north, a little over an hour away from Boston. I didn't see the ranking/judging in my area for the most part, but you go in Boston and sure seemed to. Same thing with NYC, Philly, and LA. I haven't spent enough time in other cities, especially in the south, to have any other points of comparison.
I worked in New York, Stamford Ct, and had an Office in Boston. Yes there is some ranking/rating but I yet to see it as prevalent and pervasive as it is here. If you ever worked in the financial world you will know that there is a wide variety of people who work in the industry some blue collar and very liberal and some very blue blood and Conservative and at the end of the day its the person who took the most risk and made the most reward who wins. I don't see that here, instead its people asking where I went to school and where I live…..
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