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Armed march across Memorial Bridge… what could possibly go wrong?
  • Dezlboy May 8, 2013 - 3:37 pm #72596 Reply

    NS wrote “Lanier exactly said that civil disobedience involves PROTESTING, and not breaking the law”

    where?  show me

     

     

    Captain_Obvious May 8, 2013 - 3:41 pm #72597 Reply

    Easy, by keeping them in your residence or a gun safe, etc.

    There seem to be plenty of states that have distinguished the difference between gun ownership and open carry.

    Do you deny in this present day, right now, that any citizen deemed eligible to own a gun can own A gun in any state ?

    novasteve May 8, 2013 - 3:44 pm #72599 Reply

    I apologize for citing to a competitor:

     

    http://georgetown.patch.com/articles/chief-lanier-warns-loaded-gun-protest-organizers

     

    Lanier said there’s a difference between civil disobedience and violation of the law. It is legal for D.C. residents to have registered firearms in their homes, but they may not carry them in public.

    “Passing into the district with loaded firearms is a violation of the law and it will be treated as such,” Lanier said during an interview with NewsChannel 8.”

     

    Find the video. It must be on news channel 8. I heard it on the radio this morning. She says that civil disobedience does NOT involve violating laws.

    novasteve May 8, 2013 - 3:46 pm #72601 Reply

    CO: So the right to keep and bear arms is limited to your home? I don’t see anything in the constitution that limits it to being in a safe in your home. That doesn’t sound like bearing arms to me at all. People leave their homes.

     

    Gun ownership = keeping

     

    Carrying =  bearing

     

    Or do you think we should ignore the “bearing” part and only recognize the “keeping” part?

     

    You can make any argument to me that would mean “bearing” something means it can only be kept at home, and in a safe? That’s like saying you have a right to free speech, so long as it’s done at home, in a room with the lights off and the window curtains down.

    Captain_Obvious May 8, 2013 - 3:53 pm #72602 Reply

    N_S, I don’t make the laws or interpret them.  And I’m not in the business of guessing how others interpret laws.

    There seem to be plenty of states that have distinguished the difference between gun ownership and open carry.

    Do you deny in this present day, right now, that any citizen deemed eligible to own a gun can own A gun in any state ?

    novasteve May 8, 2013 - 4:04 pm #72605 Reply

    Yes I deny it. If i live in NYC or chicago I cannot have a gun, period. But then you’ll say “eligible”. So merely living in a geographic area makes you inelligible and you are fine with that? It’s not anything they’ve done, they’ve committed no crime. It’s just where they live. That’s cool with you?

    Captain_Obvious May 8, 2013 - 4:19 pm #72612 Reply

    And this is where you are flat out wrong.  Chicago requires that all firearms be registered with the police department.  Gun owners are required to have a Chicago Firearm Permit.

    Additionally, The city council passed a law in 2010 that allows residents to keep guns in their homes after they undergo background checks, take a training class, acquire a state firearm owner’s identification card, and apply for a firearm permit with the police.

    Go ahead and believe what you want to believe and keep arguing with FACTS.

    KalashniKEV May 8, 2013 - 4:19 pm #72613 Reply

    Do you deny in this present day, right now, that any citizen deemed eligible to own a gun can own A gun in any state ?

    Yeah… that’s actually a pretty easy one to slap down- NYC, DC, Chicago, etc.

    (Back to popcorn mode…)

    Captain_Obvious May 8, 2013 - 4:22 pm #72615 Reply

    I encourage you to do your research diligently.  Don’t confuse yourself with the other restrictive laws they’ve passed.

    novasteve May 8, 2013 - 4:29 pm #72616 Reply

    If i moved to Chicago, I cannot have a firearm, period unless I was a law enforcement officer. I haven’t committed any crime, yet I am disqualified from my second amendment rights merely because of living in Chicago. Even people complaining about lack of representation in DC, it’s spelled out in the Constitution that DC isn’t part of any state, it’s a federal district, yet people still can vote in local elections. People in chicago cannot legally own a gun, period.

     

    Also in these places, if you’re going to argue that “well, how about you can have  rifle at home?” A rifle isn’t a good weapon for home defense. It’s powerful, can shoot through walls, is long so a perp can grab it. IF I lived in NYC, I would not legally be able to have a handgun unless I was an ADA or something like that. Living even outside of NYC it’s possible but VERY diffiuclt to get a handgun permit. In NYC, forget it.

    novasteve May 8, 2013 - 4:35 pm #72617 Reply

    CO, can I ask you a policy question? Is gun violence higher or lower where they have the strictest gun control in the US? And why is that anwer you give so?

    Dezlboy May 8, 2013 - 4:51 pm #72619 Reply

    NS asked again, “CO, can I ask you a policy question? Is gun violence higher or lower where they have the strictest gun control in the US? And why is that anwer you give so?”

    Good and Honorable Folks of the Forum, hasn’t this issue been asked and answers a zillion times. As the American’s would say, “beat to death?”

     

    novasteve May 8, 2013 - 4:53 pm #72621 Reply

    Link dezl? If you can’t provide a link to his or your answer, would you mind restating the answer?

     

    Is gun violence higher or lower in areas with the strictest gun control? And if Open carrying is so dangerous as to be banned in DC, does DC have a lower gun violence rate then we have here in Arlington where we can openly carry?

    Dezlboy May 8, 2013 - 7:48 pm #72640 Reply

    @NS, you wrote, “Link dezl? If you can’t provide a link to his or your answer, would you mind restating the answer?”

    I’m lost. Don’t know which of my answers you are referring to.

    Captain_Obvious May 8, 2013 - 8:28 pm #72641 Reply

    I posted this earlier today but will again:  There are a lot of factors related to gun violence.  Maybe conceal carry/open carry and restrictive laws are a factor.  Others include poverty, unemployment, sex and race, education, population density…etc.

    Proof for Chicago:  http://www.chicagoreader.com/Bleader/archives/2013/04/10/chicagos-gun-laws-keep-getting-tougher-but-more-people-are-breaking-them

    –4th paragraph after “Lots of people don’t”

    Proof for NYC:  http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/permits/gun_licensing_faq.shtml

    Proof for DC:  http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-laws/district-of-columbia.aspx

    Go ahead and keep believing the propaganda, but here are actual FACTS.  I see you are already manipulating your language to specific types of firearms, nice try, ain’t gonna work here.

    Can you provide FACTUAL information to dispute any of this?  Nope, case closed.

     

     

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