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Armed march across Memorial Bridge… what could possibly go wrong?
  • Captain_Obvious May 13, 2013 - 10:04 am #72991 Reply

    ok, lets just all slow down here.  Nothing has even come of this.

    Why get so worked up ?

    KalashniKEV May 13, 2013 - 10:52 am #72996 Reply

    no, you should be allowed to bring your gun wherever you want.

    Church? School? Etc…

    And hospitals, military installations, at the mall, at the movies… all those places where you wouldn’t need a gun for personal protection, because they are all 100% perfectly safe.

    Oh… wait… except that those are the exact same places where people are routinely killed in large numbers, because they are often designated as Unarmed Victim Zones. In fact, when planning his attack, James Eagan Holmes specifically targeted the “Cinemark 16″ theater not because it was the closest, or and not because it had the largest audience (it was neither) but because it was Gun Free.

    There are legal gun owners in every state, so currently, no states are violating the 2nd amendment.

    Without going into a lengthy semantic analysis that would only confuse you, the Second Amendment, summarized as “the right to keep and bear arms,” affirms an American citizen’s right to both keep and bear arms. Because it is illegal to bear arms in the District of Columbia, their laws are unconstitutional. Same for Chicago, etc…

    (links)

    Case closed.  Period.

    Again… I’m flabbergasted that you seem to have provided the very links which render your argument invalid. Did you not read them at all?

    The DC one very simply says “Permit to Carry- Not Available” right at the top.

    As for the notorious NY CCW- the $500 fee amounts to a modern day poll tax to exercise a right that is already guaranteed by the constitution. It’s not so terrible for those of us who can afford it, but because CCWs are routinely denied to average citizens needing protection, and because it is designed to disarm honest poors who are more likely to need to protect themselves, it fails. Most NYers have a “premises residence license” that grants them the ability to keep but not bear arms.

    As for Chicago, we see how well Gun Control is working there- I don’t even know where to start.

    Captain_Obvious May 13, 2013 - 11:04 am #73000 Reply

    Hahaha, “places where people are routinely killed”.  Now that’s a good one.

    I’m thinking maybe Holmes picked the movie theater, cause you know, its dark inside, people will not be expecting anything, etc…

    I did read the links, you haven’t.  There has been no Supreme Court decision that says you have a right to a CCW specifically, until there is, get over it.

    By the way, I would love to hear your argument on how the movie theater shooting would have gone differently if you, or anyone else in the audience would have been carrying a gun that night…please indulge me.

    novasteve May 13, 2013 - 11:32 am #73008 Reply

    CO, would a $500 abortion fee paid to the state be fine with you? Or background checks to have an abortion or do vote?  Yet you have no problem with these for other constitutional rights.

    Captain_Obvious May 13, 2013 - 11:44 am #73011 Reply

    background checks for voting…hmmm, you may have something here.

    novasteve May 13, 2013 - 11:48 am #73012 Reply

    Voting is  a constitutional right. If you can fingerprint, and background check for certain constitutional rights, why not all? Can you list me any other constitutional right you are treated like a criminal for when exercising?

    Captain_Obvious May 13, 2013 - 11:56 am #73013 Reply

    wait, start with which constitutional rights where you are treated like a criminal.

    Quoth the Raven May 13, 2013 - 12:11 pm #73015 Reply

    Stop acting like there never can be a limit on a constitutional right.  You know very well that EVERY right has certain limits put upon it, for a variety of reasons.  2nd should be no different.

    novasteve May 13, 2013 - 12:11 pm #73016 Reply

    Can you list me another constitutional right where you have to have background checks, get finger printed to exercise like with gun rights? Do I need permission from the state to be able to vote?

     

    Should marches be restricted or banned since there are so many shootings at them? Two so far this year at marches in New Orleans alone. Maybe they should have more marching restrictions and have background checks for people who go to marches and require a waiting period, etc?

    Captain_Obvious May 13, 2013 - 12:16 pm #73017 Reply

    “so many shootings at them (marches)” = 2 times.  Got it.  So many = 2.

    Can you list me other constitutional rights that people use to go on killing sprees ?

    Quoth the Raven May 13, 2013 - 12:32 pm #73020 Reply

    Steve, marches are already restricted – you often have to have a permit (typically issued by the city, by the way), you can’t be too loud, you can’t be too disruptive, etc.  But you can’t take the restrictions on one right and try to extrapolate to the others – that makes no sense.  Can I equate the ban on child porn (which is a 1st amendment limitation) to a gun registration requirement?  Of course not. That’s a red herring argument.

    novasteve May 13, 2013 - 12:38 pm #73021 Reply

    CO: It’s not even the middle of May yet and there have already been two shootings at parades in New Orleans alone this year. The year is not even half over.

     

    Porn let alone child porn isn’t in the constitution. It’s kind of interesting how with porn how if there were no camera there, it would be illegal prostitution, but so long as the camera is there it is somehow “Speech”.

     

    People having sex for money aint speech.

    Captain_Obvious May 13, 2013 - 12:49 pm #73022 Reply

    Are you trying to predict future shootings based on past events ?  Are you some sort of novasteve-damus ?

    novasteve May 13, 2013 - 12:55 pm #73024 Reply

    Okay CO, if you don’t think you can do that, can you explain to me there will be a lot more shootings in chicago this year than say in Cheyenne, Wyoming? If you can’t make predictions based upon trends.. Maybe some city in alaska will have more shootings? You never know!

    Captain_Obvious May 13, 2013 - 1:00 pm #73026 Reply

    the shootings at the marches aren’t your typical run of the mill shootings (that was weird writing that, but hey, Murica loves its guns).  So no, you can’t predict stuff like that.

     

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