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Armed march across Memorial Bridge… what could possibly go wrong?
  • novasteve May 14, 2013 - 10:35 am #73115 Reply

    Are you going to bother to claim that liberals don’t deny reality? You have liberals outraged there isn’t a 100% rape conviction rate despite there being things called false rape claims. Hear about that story in M ichigan where the woman lied about rape and some guy served 10 years in prison, and she even lied about having cancer too?


    Climate change is man made and thus we can stop climate change by going green. That works well if you ignore the geological history of the planet earth. Denying reality.


    Oh, and a “woman” can get testicular cancer and “men” can get ovarian cancer. When you deny reality, anything can happen! yay!

    Captain_Obvious May 14, 2013 - 10:41 am #73116 Reply

    I think denying reality is not limited to 1 political party.  If you think so, then YOU are denying reality.

    And what does my question have to do with your post or are you just pressing “Ctrl + V” again ?

    novasteve May 14, 2013 - 10:42 am #73117 Reply

    Thinking the climate isn’t changing is only a tiny minority in the republican party. They overwhelmingly admit the climate is changing. However thining that humans can STOP climate change is only a delusion that LIBERALS hold.

    CourthouseChris May 14, 2013 - 10:45 am #73118 Reply

    Hey I think you guys are close – Steve’s core is about to go supercritical.

    Quoth the Raven May 14, 2013 - 10:46 am #73119 Reply

    Steve, not to state the obvious, but if you believe (like the overwhelming majority of actual scientists) that one of the central causes of climate change is CO2 emissions, then doesn’t it follow that reducing those emissions will help?  Further, aren’t less emissions a good thing in general, regardless of whether or not it directly impacts climate change?  I mean, do you think particulate matter from power plants (which is measured in the millions of tons per year, by the way) is a good thing? Isn’t looking at ways to reduce that a good thing?  How is this a political issue?

    novasteve May 14, 2013 - 10:55 am #73123 Reply

    So what caused all the climate change before humans even existed? The earth has gone in and out of ice ages since the earth had its original cool down after it formed and got an atmosphere. Ever heard of snowball earth? How did it warm up? How were the great lakes formed? Hate to break the news to you, but there are other factors involved which explains why the climate has changed long before humans ever existed, and will continue to change after we go extinct. Such factors include the tilt of the earth, sunspot activity, etc… However if you’d like to believe in your fantasy world we can stop the climate from changing, more power to you. But don’t pass laws forcing your denial of reality onto others.

    Captain_Obvious May 14, 2013 - 10:57 am #73125 Reply

    where did the topic of climate change come from?  Oh right, Mr. question dodger changed the subject…AGAIN.

    Quoth the Raven May 14, 2013 - 11:01 am #73129 Reply

    No one denies the climate has changed before, and will change again.  But it has never changed this quickly or this dramatically.  The Earth simply isn’t large enough to absorb what billions of people are doing.  I’ll note that you didn’t mention anything about whether or not reducing emissions is or isn’t a good idea.


    And I’ll also note that, as CO points out, you changed the subject.

    novasteve May 14, 2013 - 11:17 am #73137 Reply

    I constantly hear liberals saying that since human cause climate change, we can’t stop it unless we use renewables, ban coal, stuff like that. They are saying we can actually STOp climate change. And when I tell them that humans don’t cause the climate to change, they call me a deniar.

    Dezlboy May 14, 2013 - 11:31 am #73139 Reply

    NS you are a denier. You asked, “What caused  climate change existed before humans existed.”

    AGREED, climate change has occurred before, as volcanic activity 55 million years ago, and end of ice age warming driven by changes in the Earth's orbit and axial tilt, and continential shifts. Over the last 200 million years the fossil and sedimentary record shows that the Earth has undergone many fluctuations in climate, from warmer than the present climate to much colder, on many different timescales.

    HOWEVER, while these past climatic changes can be related to geological events, it is not possible to relate the Earth's warming since 1970 to anything recognisable as having a geological cause.  Atmospheric CO2 has increased by one third in the last 200 years. One half of that increase has happened in the last 30 years. This level and rate of increase are unprecedented.  

    Source (and liberal plagerism): http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/climatechange

    NS: Do you also deny that gravity exists?

    novasteve May 14, 2013 - 11:38 am #73177 Reply

    DEZl. If we all stopped greenhouse gasses, all lived the car free diet and didn’t use water bottles and did everything liberals say we need to, will that stop climate change?


    Will raising taxes impact gravity like liberals think taxes can impact water levels? Again, who is denying reality here?

    Anonymous May 14, 2013 - 11:49 am #73186 Reply

    Steve, answer the damn question for once.

    Do you accept, or deny, that the rate of current climate change is due to human activity in addition to natural processes?

    Once you get on the record about that, you can talk about whether humans can stop it or not.


    novasteve May 14, 2013 - 11:58 am #73190 Reply

    Humans might be speeding it up, but they aren’t CAUSING it. So the crap that if we do this and that we can stop climate change is an outright lie and denial of reality. It is being pushed as FACT that if we go green, we will STOP climate change. If you don’t agree with that, you are a “deniar”.

    Dezlboy May 14, 2013 - 12:05 pm #73195 Reply

    @NS: Your question whether stopping green house gases implies that you have accepted that (current) climate change is man-made.

    Can global warming be stopped? There is not consensus, not even among environmentalists, on whether global warming can be stopped. However, there is agreement that the levels of pollutants released can be reduced and a widespread belief that the resulting decrease could create climate stability.

    @NS: You also asked, “Will raising taxes impact gravity?”  WTF?

    Dezlboy May 14, 2013 - 12:09 pm #73196 Reply

    @NS, if humans might be speeding climate change (evidence shows that humans are greatly increasing CO2 levels at unprecendented levels), then why wouldn’t you take action to slow down the human effects?  While some liberals (i guess) may say you can stop the increase in CO2 levels, I contend that is a minority opinion, and to portray ALL liberals (no, you might not be using the word “all”) as believing so is just another one of your exaggerated statments. 

    You really are hung up on liberals.

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