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jim moran quotes the declaration of independence
  • novasteve June 26, 2013 - 12:45 pm #77815 Reply

    “The Declaration of Independence affirms that "all men are created equal" and that every American has a right to "the pursuit of happiness." These principles cannot be fulfilled without the ability to marry the person you love.”


    First, the Declaration of independence isn’t a legal document. If everyone got to “pursue happiness” as a right, then I guess we’d have to legalize a lot of things, including serial killing, pedophelia, etc..


    Oh, does Jim Moran now support incestuos marriage? They do love each other. or does he support denying them toe right to marry despite the words he used? Does he support polygamy too? They shouldn’t be able to marry the people they love?

    Razbo Oscar June 26, 2013 - 12:57 pm #77818 Reply


    Captain_Obvious June 26, 2013 - 1:00 pm #77819 Reply

    Don’t do it Razbo.

    NS, your tagline is basically “Come to the light Carol Anne”.

    novasteve June 26, 2013 - 1:03 pm #77820 Reply

    Are you going to look at his words? “These principles cannot be fulfilled without the ability to marry the person you love” and then in the next breath state that banning incestuous marriage, despite them loving each other, is cool? Or areyou just going to pretend that’s not the case? What will you do to avoid the hypocrisy?


    Also, if Jim Moran and you guys don’t support polygamy, does that mean you hate mormons and are islamophobes?


    What happened to marriage equality if you believe the government can prevent consenting adults from marrying each other?

    Hank June 26, 2013 - 1:05 pm #77823 Reply

    Who are “y0u guys?”  I’m okay with polygamy.  But I don’t think you can make a direct analogy between same-sex marriage and multiple-spouse marriage.

    Dezlboy June 26, 2013 - 1:06 pm #77824 Reply

    @NS, Gosh, I would never have the audacity to speak for Representative Moran, or attempt to answer your off the wall questions on his behalf.  Considering that he was speaking to the Supreme Court rulings, I take his comments in that context. Feel free to extrapolate into the realm of the absurd, as that seems to be your forte.

    But, if it makes you feel any better, I just got off the phone with Rep Moran and confirmed that, yes, he believes in the rights of pedophiles, polygamists, serial killers, homeless, and internet trolls to life, liberty and the pursuit of  happiness.

    Captain_Obvious June 26, 2013 - 1:11 pm #77826 Reply

    NS, these discussions have happened many times on this board, so not sure if you’re looking for something different.  Your other favorite messageboard has plenty of topics on this as well.

    on second thought, I’ll come to the light.  What do you think of the SCOTUS decision today?  A real answer, one with statements, not questions.  I’m done with you if you ask 1 question in your response to my question.

    @esmith is right…its the homophobes who use the incest and polygamy arguments about gay marriage to try to hide their own bigotry.  Its called projection.

    esmith69 June 26, 2013 - 1:11 pm #77827 Reply

    Please go read up on the health consequences (hint: genetic inbreeding) of incest if you don’t understand why it has been outlawed by probably every jurisdiction in the world.

    And then, with that knowledge, maybe you can stop using incest as an example of why you think gay marriage should not be allowed.

    Hank June 26, 2013 - 1:16 pm #77828 Reply

    I’m down with incest, but then my sister and I use birth control.

    Bard June 26, 2013 - 1:45 pm #77832 Reply

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    Dezlboy June 26, 2013 - 1:50 pm #77833 Reply

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    Answer:  Because on Fridays the cars are used for Sex Ed.  (da-dum!)

    novasteve June 26, 2013 - 2:07 pm #77835 Reply

    So should all groups with genetic risks be not allowed to marry? Should I not be allowed to marry another person of my religion or even a french candian due to the risk of taysachs?

    novasteve June 26, 2013 - 2:08 pm #77836 Reply

    Also Moran didn’t bring up genetic risks, he just said “LOVE”. So do you support not support the right of all consenting adults to marry the person they love? Also since kids aren’t an issue for gay incestuous couples, how do you justify throwing a gay incestuos couple in jail for getting married? Are gays thrown in jail for getting married where it isn’t legal? Seems to me that when they went to the clerk to get married and the clerk at courthouse said sorry, can’t marry you, did htey have the police waiting to arrest them like they would have for incestuous couples?

    John Fontain June 26, 2013 - 2:13 pm #77837 Reply

    Why is it that when you buy a product, take it home, and remove it and its packaging from the box, that you can never get the product and all of the packaging back into the box?  Instead of studying relativity and other such things, i think we should get our country’s top scientists working on this important mystery.

    novasteve June 26, 2013 - 2:31 pm #77840 Reply

    I figured you’d want to change the subject rather than deal with the consequences of Moran’s statement. You can’t admit that the next step is incest unless he changes what he said. Unless you can argue they aren’t consenting adults that love each other.

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