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July 10 Streetcar Discussion with Walter Tejada
  • novasteve July 25, 2013 - 10:54 am #81250 Reply

    If trolleys weren’t any more dangerous than busses (trolleys are trains, don’t forget it) then why is the transit suicide of choice to jump on train tracks and not in front of busses? Can you even admit it?

    Dezlboy July 25, 2013 - 11:05 am #81257 Reply

    @NS, yes, I agree that streetcars (and trains) are more often used as suicide machines. Here is some information, I will accept its reliability.  http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/statistics-most-lethal-methods

    But, let’s get back to the friendly wager……do you want to accept or not, with your choice of  ”suicides don’t count, two fatalities” OR “suicides count, one fatality.”

    Final offer. I will withdrawal my offer either in 24 hours OR within three more posts from you, whichever comes first.

    novasteve July 25, 2013 - 11:18 am #81262 Reply

    WRite out the whole deal again. I think you might be confusing yourself since you don’t want suicides to count yet you have a lower fatality requirement for when it does count?

    Village Genius July 25, 2013 - 11:46 am #81267 Reply

    Cigarette-caused deaths per year in the U.S.:    443,000.

    Trolley deaths per year in the U.S.:  a lot fewer than 443,000.

    (Gotta ask again, do your parents know what you are doing?)

    Anonymous July 25, 2013 - 11:48 am #81268 Reply

    “If trolleys weren’t any more dangerous than busses (trolleys are trains, don’t forget it) then why is the transit suicide of choice to jump on train tracks and not in front of busses?”

    Wow, really? That’s your argument now?

     

     

    Dezlboy July 25, 2013 - 11:49 am #81269 Reply

    @NS wrote, “There is NO chance there will not be multiple fatalities each year as a consequence”

    WAGER  (DRAFT):  If there is at least (one fatality, not including suicide) OR [see note] at least (two fatalities, including suicide) in the first year of Col Pike streetcar operation, then Dezlboy will refrain from eating sweets (e.g., candy, cake, pie) for 365 days.

    If there is not at least (one fatality, not including suicide) OR [see note] (two fatalities, including suicide) in the first year of Col Pike streetcar operation, then novasteve will refrain from smoking (e.g. cigarettes, cigars) for 365 days. E-cigs are permissible if they are nicotine free.

    The fatality/fatalities [see note] must be due to an interaction (to include multiple interactions) with a streetcar. An interaction includes pedestrian, motorized vehicle (e.g. buses, trucks, cars, motorcycles), or non-motorized vehicle (e.g., bicycle, stroller) striking a streetcar (or vice versa). First year begins when first Col Pike streetcar is put into service and runs for 365 days, regardless if first year includes a leap year. Service is defined as a streetcar moving along the Col Pike rails, regardless if passenger service has begun.

    NOTE: NS, you can decide if you want to include both the one fatality or two fatality option, or just one option.  I’ll rewrite the friendly wager accordingly. Also, please re-read for errors (good catch on mine!, that’s why you’re the lawyer!), and I suggest we allow others  (24 hours?) to  find errors or suggest revision before we finalize to be sure we didn’t miss anything.

    Anonymous July 25, 2013 - 11:51 am #81270 Reply

    Yes, so it seems trolleys are about twice as heavy as newer buses. Glad you backed that up.

    But it doesn’t matter one bit, because YOU’RE A LIAR!

    Wow, that’s easy.

    novasteve July 25, 2013 - 11:55 am #81271 Reply

    Before I commit, dezl, do you actually enjoy sweets? I don’t. So Its not fair if you give up something you don’t like. It would be like me giving up Tomatoes. I hate them so I don’t eat them, period. So giving them up would be easy for me.

    Anonymous July 25, 2013 - 12:00 pm #81277 Reply

    “If trolleys weren’t any more dangerous than busses”

    Are they?

    Pointing to other people choosing them for suicide proves nothing, since that choice could involve all kinds of factors (and other choices for suicide prove that).

    There’s a very simple way to see which is more dangerous – you look up the statistics on deaths per passenger-mile. There is no other valid measurement.

    I looked them up, but revealing the answer now would spoil the fun.

     

    Dezlboy July 25, 2013 - 12:09 pm #81282 Reply

    @NS, I love sweets! But, I admit my addiction to them is different from your (I assume) addiction to cigarettes.

    And take this with the best intention.  While others may slam me for suggesting this, if you don’t want to wager for whatever reason, or no reason, or whatever; I will not call you on your decision. These forums may not be as informative if posters feel restrained (beyond the forum rules).  And, as you point out, the “what we are giving up” my not be equally difficult or desired.

    In fact, I would like to change the posed wager, for that reason, and the wager is “too serious” for the board.

    The loser has to contribute $50 to a charity of their choice that deal with animal rescue or animal care or providing service animals, or similar. And the winner has to contribute at least $25 to similar organization. Let’s make this a win-win.

    And I don’t suggest this: http://www.sonypictures.com/tv/shows/seinfeld/episode_guide/?sl=episode&ep=411      :-)

     

    novasteve July 25, 2013 - 12:11 pm #81283 Reply

    So you’d compare european cities with dedicated trolley lanes to here? That doesn’t even take into account the drivers we have here, who can flip cars while driving in a straight line.

    Anonymous July 25, 2013 - 12:21 pm #81286 Reply

    “So you’d compare european cities with dedicated trolley lanes to here?”

    Uh, no. You compare U.S. trains/trolleys with U.S. buses.

    Dezlboy July 26, 2013 - 9:36 am #81382 Reply

    @NS, reminder that friendly wager offer expires at noon today, per previous posts. Note added time due to wager changes. I hope you agree to this win-win wager dealing with helping animals.

    Dezlboy July 26, 2013 - 11:00 am #81399 Reply

    Bump to top……

    Dezlboy July 26, 2013 - 12:11 pm #81409 Reply

    @NS, It’s past 12 noon, and thus my offer of a friendly wager (#81282) is off the table.

    Obviously  you aren’t interested in supporting your position that “ “There is NO chance there will not be multiple fatalities each year as a consequence” even with a friendly wager that would only help homeless animals.

    FYI (just to let you know [sorry to sound pretentious] a donation to a beagle rescue group (BREW) has been made to cover our wages.

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