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Manning, 35 years, too little or too much?
  • novasteve August 21, 2013 - 4:23 pm #84766 Reply

    So why is the support for Manning so much louder than the support for Pollard?

    Dezlboy August 21, 2013 - 4:28 pm #84767 Reply

    @NS:  do some research. The ACLU has spent hundreds of time and dollars – likely more – on Pollard.

    Why the noise? Gosh, one is hot news, the other isn’t.

    Surely you agree that the case that makes the most noise isn’t always right.


    novasteve August 21, 2013 - 4:36 pm #84768 Reply

    If htey have spent hundreds on pollards then tehy have spent hundreds of thousands on Manning. They clearly love Manning more than Pollard despite the much more lenient sentence Manning got. Is it because the far left are virulently antisemitic israel haters?

    Quoth the Raven August 21, 2013 - 4:38 pm #84769 Reply

    We’ve all been waiting for you to claim antisemitism.  Took longer than I thought.

    Maybe Pollard doesn’t get as much press because it’s a much, much older story.  Just a thought.

    Dezlboy August 21, 2013 - 4:46 pm #84770 Reply

    @NS:  Do you think Pollard’s sentence is too severe? What is the basis for your answer?

    novasteve August 21, 2013 - 4:47 pm #84771 Reply

    Well, the cop killers the far left loves so much have been in jail for long periods of time yet that doesn’t temper their love for cop killers in the slightest. They love them just as much 15 years after as they do the day after. So that cannot explain why the far left doesn’t love Jonathan Pollard.


    Could it be because the far left wants israel destroyed and that he spied to help Israel thus they don’t like him?

    novasteve August 21, 2013 - 4:47 pm #84772 Reply

    What is his sentence? If it’s less than life in prison then it isn’t severe enough.

    Dezlboy August 21, 2013 - 4:51 pm #84773 Reply

    @NS: I though you would have all the facts before forming an educated opinion.

    novasteve August 21, 2013 - 4:55 pm #84776 Reply

    He spied. He deserves life in prison. So does Manning.

    Dezlboy August 21, 2013 - 5:00 pm #84778 Reply

    @NS: So which carries more weight, the intent of an act or the damage of an act?

    novasteve August 21, 2013 - 5:06 pm #84780 Reply

    The intent. If you spy, you should get life in prison regardless of whether the materials you stole were nuclear secrets or just the homework of a government official’s child. It’s the intent that matters. manning wanted to give everything he could steal to wikileaks. If the hard drives he downloaded turned out to be just gay porn, it wouldn’t matter. The intent was there.

    Dezlboy August 21, 2013 - 5:14 pm #84781 Reply

    @NS: Pollards intent was to secure Israel. Why are you a hater of Israel and an antisemite?

    novasteve August 21, 2013 - 5:19 pm #84782 Reply

    But his intent was to steal US secret information.


    $100 says if there is another spying scandal soon, and it is spying for some south or central american socialist country like venezuela, the spy will immediately become a liberal hero, and there will be tons of attention, and the attention will go for years, unlike Pollard. Because the far left virulently hates israel, thus they don’t support him despite him taking actions that harmed the US.



    Dezlboy August 21, 2013 - 5:44 pm #84783 Reply

    No. Pollards intent was to aid Israel. His means to carry out his intent was stealing secrets.

    esmith69 August 21, 2013 - 8:49 pm #84785 Reply

    Far lefties still view him as a hero because they love anything that puts the USA in a negative light.

    Again, I will remind you that your blatant stereotyping and bashing of groups you don’t like is REALLY harming your cause, whatever that may be.  Stop making these blanket statements like “far lefties love anything that puts the USA in a negative light”.  There may be a few who want that, but the majority of them love America just like you love America.

    People see you make these kind of ridiculous generalizations and they IMMEDIATELY ignore what you have to say because you’re doing an awful job at arguing your point.

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