I had to laugh when I read Courtland Milloy's column in this morning's “Post.” For those of you who didn't read it, the subject of the column was the many speed cameras that the District government has installed. Although I can't confirm the accuracy of the statistics, Milloy stated that District drivers get approximately 25% of the tickets; Maryland drivers get 50% of the tickets, and Virginia and other states get the remaining 25%.
As if we needed statistical proof that Maryland drivers are the worst.
… and their vehicles tend to be poorly maintained — no periodic safety inspection as in Virginia, DC and PA.
Been saying it for years. This just adds confirmation that it's not me, it's them.
Arlingtoon said:
I had to laugh when I read Courtland Milloy's column in this morning's “Post.” For those of you who didn't read it, the subject of the column was the many speed cameras that the District government has installed. Although I can't confirm the accuracy of the statistics, Milloy stated that District drivers get approximately 25% of the tickets; Maryland drivers get 50% of the tickets, and Virginia and other states get the remaining 25%.
As if we needed statistical proof that Maryland drivers are the worst.
Not so fast.
We need to know how many TOTAL drivers there are from each state driving in the District each day before we can judge.
(And remember, many District residents don't drive at all).
dynaroo said:
Arlingtoon said:
I had to laugh when I read Courtland Milloy's column in this morning's “Post.” For those of you who didn't read it, the subject of the column was the many speed cameras that the District government has installed. Although I can't confirm the accuracy of the statistics, Milloy stated that District drivers get approximately 25% of the tickets; Maryland drivers get 50% of the tickets, and Virginia and other states get the remaining 25%.
As if we needed statistical proof that Maryland drivers are the worst.
Not so fast.
We need to know how many TOTAL drivers there are from each state driving in the District each day before we can judge.
(And remember, many District residents don't drive at all).
Technically, you would need the number of trips past all the cameras (by state), as the TOTALl drivers in the District has nothing to do with the statistics, since anyone not passing a camera would have zero chance of getting a speed camera ticket. But even that goes beyond Arlingtoon's point (see non-intersecting circles above if you are still confused).
Venn Diagram said:
dynaroo said:
Arlingtoon said:
I had to laugh when I read Courtland Milloy's column in this morning's “Post.” For those of you who didn't read it, the subject of the column was the many speed cameras that the District government has installed. Although I can't confirm the accuracy of the statistics, Milloy stated that District drivers get approximately 25% of the tickets; Maryland drivers get 50% of the tickets, and Virginia and other states get the remaining 25%.
As if we needed statistical proof that Maryland drivers are the worst.
Not so fast.
We need to know how many TOTAL drivers there are from each state driving in the District each day before we can judge.
(And remember, many District residents don't drive at all).
Technically, you would need the number of trips past all the cameras (by state), as the TOTALl drivers in the District has nothing to do with the statistics, since anyone not passing a camera would have zero chance of getting a speed camera ticket. But even that goes beyond Arlingtoon's point (see non-intersecting circles above if you are still confused).
Okay, but it doesn't change my point one bit, smart guy.
dynaroo said:
Venn Diagram said:
dynaroo said:
Arlingtoon said:
I had to laugh when I read Courtland Milloy's column in this morning's “Post.” For those of you who didn't read it, the subject of the column was the many speed cameras that the District government has installed. Although I can't confirm the accuracy of the statistics, Milloy stated that District drivers get approximately 25% of the tickets; Maryland drivers get 50% of the tickets, and Virginia and other states get the remaining 25%.
As if we needed statistical proof that Maryland drivers are the worst.
Not so fast.
We need to know how many TOTAL drivers there are from each state driving in the District each day before we can judge.
(And remember, many District residents don't drive at all).
Technically, you would need the number of trips past all the cameras (by state), as the TOTALl drivers in the District has nothing to do with the statistics, since anyone not passing a camera would have zero chance of getting a speed camera ticket. But even that goes beyond Arlingtoon's point (see non-intersecting circles above if you are still confused).
Okay, but it doesn't change my point one bit, smart guy.
Actually it does because more importantly, we need to know where the cameras are located. If DC utilizes more cameras at the DC/MD crossings than DC/VA crossings then that “could” be a reason why MD drivers have received more tickets. Simply knowing total # of drivers tells us nothing at all.
For example, lets say DC has 3 cameras at DC/VA crossings and 3000 vehicles coming from VA into DC. But on DC/MD crossings, there are 5 cameras and 2500 vehicles coming from MD. In this scenario, MD drivers have a greater probability of getting ticketed than their VA counterparts.
Captain_Obvious said:
dynaroo said:
Venn Diagram said:
dynaroo said:
Arlingtoon said:
I had to laugh when I read Courtland Milloy's column in this morning's “Post.” For those of you who didn't read it, the subject of the column was the many speed cameras that the District government has installed. Although I can't confirm the accuracy of the statistics, Milloy stated that District drivers get approximately 25% of the tickets; Maryland drivers get 50% of the tickets, and Virginia and other states get the remaining 25%.
As if we needed statistical proof that Maryland drivers are the worst.
Not so fast.
We need to know how many TOTAL drivers there are from each state driving in the District each day before we can judge.
(And remember, many District residents don't drive at all).
Technically, you would need the number of trips past all the cameras (by state), as the TOTALl drivers in the District has nothing to do with the statistics, since anyone not passing a camera would have zero chance of getting a speed camera ticket. But even that goes beyond Arlingtoon's point (see non-intersecting circles above if you are still confused).
Okay, but it doesn't change my point one bit, smart guy.
Actually it does because more importantly, we need to know where the cameras are located. If DC utilizes more cameras at the DC/MD crossings than DC/VA crossings then that “could” be a reason why MD drivers have received more tickets. Simply knowing total # of drivers tells us nothing at all.
I don't disagree.
You'd need the total number of drivers from each state who passed each camera. So even knowing the locations isn't quite enough. And Venn Diagram's obnoxious post didn't note that either.
My point, from the get-go, was that the data we started with was useless.
dynaroo said:
Captain_Obvious said:
dynaroo said:
Venn Diagram said:
dynaroo said:
Arlingtoon said:
I had to laugh when I read Courtland Milloy's column in this morning's “Post.” For those of you who didn't read it, the subject of the column was the many speed cameras that the District government has installed. Although I can't confirm the accuracy of the statistics, Milloy stated that District drivers get approximately 25% of the tickets; Maryland drivers get 50% of the tickets, and Virginia and other states get the remaining 25%.
As if we needed statistical proof that Maryland drivers are the worst.
Not so fast.
We need to know how many TOTAL drivers there are from each state driving in the District each day before we can judge.
(And remember, many District residents don't drive at all).
Technically, you would need the number of trips past all the cameras (by state), as the TOTALl drivers in the District has nothing to do with the statistics, since anyone not passing a camera would have zero chance of getting a speed camera ticket. But even that goes beyond Arlingtoon's point (see non-intersecting circles above if you are still confused).
Okay, but it doesn't change my point one bit, smart guy.
Actually it does because more importantly, we need to know where the cameras are located. If DC utilizes more cameras at the DC/MD crossings than DC/VA crossings then that “could” be a reason why MD drivers have received more tickets. Simply knowing total # of drivers tells us nothing at all.
I don't disagree.
You'd need the total number of drivers from each state who passed each camera. So even knowing the locations isn't quite enough. And Venn Diagram's obnoxious post didn't note that either.
My point, from the get-go, was that the data we started with was useless.
Ha, finally we're in agreement about something. The data is useless with no context. Even with more context, I could care less, as its more fun to rip on MD drivers.
dynaroo said:
Captain_Obvious said:
Ha, finally we're in agreement about something. The data is useless with no context. Even with more context, I could care less, as its more fun to rip on MD drivers.
Hug?
bro-hug, unless you're trying to brainwash me…
DC JUST installed the first camera that would get folks from VA (on 395 north and south, just past the Maine Avenue exits in either direction).
And I don't think they're active yet (I drive past them every day, and have yet to see a flash go off, even though they've been in the ground for over a month).
Prior to this, as far as I know they've been concentrated on roads that inbound Marylanders take to get into the District (Rhode Island Ave, 16th Street, N Capitol, Connecticut, NY Ave, and the Anacostia Freeway all have them I think).
That said, this fact is no reason not to continue to point out that Maryland has worse drivers (and worse people, generally).
Venn Diagram said:
dynaroo said:
Arlingtoon said:
I had to laugh when I read Courtland Milloy’s column in this morning’s “Post.” For those of you who didn’t read it, the subject of the column was the many speed cameras that the District government has installed. Although I can’t confirm the accuracy of the statistics, Milloy stated that District drivers get approximately 25% of the tickets; Maryland drivers get 50% of the tickets, and Virginia and other states get the remaining 25%.
As if we needed statistical proof that Maryland drivers are the worst.
Not so fast.
We need to know how many TOTAL drivers there are from each state driving in the District each day before we can judge.
(And remember, many District residents don’t drive at all).
Technically, you would need the number of trips past all the cameras (by state), as the TOTALl drivers in the District has nothing to do with the statistics, since anyone not passing a camera would have zero chance of getting a speed camera ticket. But even that goes beyond Arlingtoon’s point (see non-intersecting circles above if you are still confused).
omigod omigod. Venn Diagram is back!!! Yea!! We really, really, *really* missed you around here. You see you even inspired me to log in today so I could leave this message. Please stick around.
ONE — If you look at the sites of speed cameras in DC, it appears that far more commuters from MD would be exposed to them. There might well also be many more commuters into DC from MD than from VA. If these suppositions are correct and were taken into account, it could just be that drivers from VA have a higher rate of traffic speed law violations (as detected by cameras).
TWO — How do you define competent driving? How does obeying traffic speed limits fit into you definition of competent driving?
JimPB said:
ONE — If you look at the sites of speed cameras in DC, it appears that far more commuters from MD would be exposed to them. There might well also be many more commuters into DC from MD than from VA. If these suppositions are correct and were taken into account, it could just be that drivers from VA have a higher rate of traffic speed law violations (as detected by cameras).
TWO — How do you define competent driving? How does obeying traffic speed limits fit into you definition of competent driving?
I would define competent driving as:
using turn signals
understanding how a stop sign/yield sign works
understanding how to merge lanes
not cutting people off and then turning 50 yards later.
stopping for school buses, crosswalks…
that's just a few…
