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Maryland Drivers — Statistical Proof
  • Arlingtoon September 12, 2012 - 8:20 am #57954 Reply

    I had to laugh when I read Courtland Milloy's column in this morning's “Post.”  For those of you who didn't read it, the subject of the column was the many speed cameras that the District government has installed.  Although I can't confirm the accuracy of the statistics, Milloy stated that District drivers get approximately 25% of the tickets; Maryland drivers get 50% of the tickets, and Virginia and other states get the remaining 25%.

    As if we needed statistical proof that Maryland drivers are the worst.

    DynaFlash 8 September 12, 2012 - 11:00 am #57955 Reply

    … and their vehicles tend to be poorly maintained — no periodic safety inspection as in Virginia, DC and PA.

    North2South September 12, 2012 - 12:30 pm #57956 Reply

    Been saying it for years.  This just adds confirmation that it's not me, it's them.

    contractor September 12, 2012 - 1:30 pm #57957 Reply

    Arlingtoon said:

    I had to laugh when I read Courtland Milloy's column in this morning's “Post.”  For those of you who didn't read it, the subject of the column was the many speed cameras that the District government has installed.  Although I can't confirm the accuracy of the statistics, Milloy stated that District drivers get approximately 25% of the tickets; Maryland drivers get 50% of the tickets, and Virginia and other states get the remaining 25%.

    As if we needed statistical proof that Maryland drivers are the worst.

    Not so fast.

    We need to know how many TOTAL drivers there are from each state driving in the District each day before we can judge.

    (And remember, many District residents don't drive at all).

    Venn Diagram September 12, 2012 - 4:09 pm #57958 Reply

    dynaroo said:

    Arlingtoon said:

    I had to laugh when I read Courtland Milloy's column in this morning's “Post.”  For those of you who didn't read it, the subject of the column was the many speed cameras that the District government has installed.  Although I can't confirm the accuracy of the statistics, Milloy stated that District drivers get approximately 25% of the tickets; Maryland drivers get 50% of the tickets, and Virginia and other states get the remaining 25%.

    As if we needed statistical proof that Maryland drivers are the worst.

    Not so fast.

    We need to know how many TOTAL drivers there are from each state driving in the District each day before we can judge.

    (And remember, many District residents don't drive at all).

    Technically, you would need the number of trips past all the cameras (by state), as the TOTALl drivers in the District has nothing to do with the statistics, since anyone not passing a camera would have zero chance of getting a speed camera ticket.  But even that goes beyond Arlingtoon's point (see non-intersecting circles above if you are still confused).

    contractor September 13, 2012 - 9:54 am #57959 Reply

    Venn Diagram said:

    dynaroo said:

    Arlingtoon said:

    I had to laugh when I read Courtland Milloy's column in this morning's “Post.”  For those of you who didn't read it, the subject of the column was the many speed cameras that the District government has installed.  Although I can't confirm the accuracy of the statistics, Milloy stated that District drivers get approximately 25% of the tickets; Maryland drivers get 50% of the tickets, and Virginia and other states get the remaining 25%.

    As if we needed statistical proof that Maryland drivers are the worst.

    Not so fast.

    We need to know how many TOTAL drivers there are from each state driving in the District each day before we can judge.

    (And remember, many District residents don't drive at all).

    Technically, you would need the number of trips past all the cameras (by state), as the TOTALl drivers in the District has nothing to do with the statistics, since anyone not passing a camera would have zero chance of getting a speed camera ticket.  But even that goes beyond Arlingtoon's point (see non-intersecting circles above if you are still confused).

    Okay, but it doesn't change my point one bit, smart guy.

    Captain_Obvious September 13, 2012 - 11:37 am #57960 Reply

    dynaroo said:

    Venn Diagram said:

    dynaroo said:

    Arlingtoon said:

    I had to laugh when I read Courtland Milloy's column in this morning's “Post.”  For those of you who didn't read it, the subject of the column was the many speed cameras that the District government has installed.  Although I can't confirm the accuracy of the statistics, Milloy stated that District drivers get approximately 25% of the tickets; Maryland drivers get 50% of the tickets, and Virginia and other states get the remaining 25%.

    As if we needed statistical proof that Maryland drivers are the worst.

    Not so fast.

    We need to know how many TOTAL drivers there are from each state driving in the District each day before we can judge.

    (And remember, many District residents don't drive at all).

    Technically, you would need the number of trips past all the cameras (by state), as the TOTALl drivers in the District has nothing to do with the statistics, since anyone not passing a camera would have zero chance of getting a speed camera ticket.  But even that goes beyond Arlingtoon's point (see non-intersecting circles above if you are still confused).

    Okay, but it doesn't change my point one bit, smart guy.

    Actually it does because more importantly, we need to know where the cameras are located.  If DC utilizes more cameras at the DC/MD crossings than DC/VA crossings then that “could” be a reason why MD drivers have received more tickets.  Simply knowing total # of drivers tells us nothing at all.

     

    For example, lets say DC has 3 cameras at DC/VA crossings and 3000 vehicles coming from VA into DC.  But on DC/MD crossings, there are 5 cameras and 2500 vehicles coming from MD.  In this scenario, MD drivers have a greater probability of getting ticketed than their VA counterparts. 

    contractor September 13, 2012 - 1:35 pm #57961 Reply

    Captain_Obvious said:

    dynaroo said:

    Venn Diagram said:

    dynaroo said:

    Arlingtoon said:

    I had to laugh when I read Courtland Milloy's column in this morning's “Post.”  For those of you who didn't read it, the subject of the column was the many speed cameras that the District government has installed.  Although I can't confirm the accuracy of the statistics, Milloy stated that District drivers get approximately 25% of the tickets; Maryland drivers get 50% of the tickets, and Virginia and other states get the remaining 25%.

    As if we needed statistical proof that Maryland drivers are the worst.

    Not so fast.

    We need to know how many TOTAL drivers there are from each state driving in the District each day before we can judge.

    (And remember, many District residents don't drive at all).

    Technically, you would need the number of trips past all the cameras (by state), as the TOTALl drivers in the District has nothing to do with the statistics, since anyone not passing a camera would have zero chance of getting a speed camera ticket.  But even that goes beyond Arlingtoon's point (see non-intersecting circles above if you are still confused).

    Okay, but it doesn't change my point one bit, smart guy.

    Actually it does because more importantly, we need to know where the cameras are located.  If DC utilizes more cameras at the DC/MD crossings than DC/VA crossings then that “could” be a reason why MD drivers have received more tickets.  Simply knowing total # of drivers tells us nothing at all.

    I don't disagree.

    You'd need the total number of drivers from each state who passed each camera. So even knowing the locations isn't quite enough. And Venn Diagram's obnoxious post didn't note that either.

    My point, from the get-go, was that the data we started with was useless.

    Captain_Obvious September 13, 2012 - 7:45 pm #57962 Reply

    dynaroo said:

    Captain_Obvious said:

    dynaroo said:

    Venn Diagram said:

    dynaroo said:

    Arlingtoon said:

    I had to laugh when I read Courtland Milloy's column in this morning's “Post.”  For those of you who didn't read it, the subject of the column was the many speed cameras that the District government has installed.  Although I can't confirm the accuracy of the statistics, Milloy stated that District drivers get approximately 25% of the tickets; Maryland drivers get 50% of the tickets, and Virginia and other states get the remaining 25%.

    As if we needed statistical proof that Maryland drivers are the worst.

    Not so fast.

    We need to know how many TOTAL drivers there are from each state driving in the District each day before we can judge.

    (And remember, many District residents don't drive at all).

    Technically, you would need the number of trips past all the cameras (by state), as the TOTALl drivers in the District has nothing to do with the statistics, since anyone not passing a camera would have zero chance of getting a speed camera ticket.  But even that goes beyond Arlingtoon's point (see non-intersecting circles above if you are still confused).

    Okay, but it doesn't change my point one bit, smart guy.

    Actually it does because more importantly, we need to know where the cameras are located.  If DC utilizes more cameras at the DC/MD crossings than DC/VA crossings then that “could” be a reason why MD drivers have received more tickets.  Simply knowing total # of drivers tells us nothing at all.

    I don't disagree.

    You'd need the total number of drivers from each state who passed each camera. So even knowing the locations isn't quite enough. And Venn Diagram's obnoxious post didn't note that either.

    My point, from the get-go, was that the data we started with was useless.

    Ha, finally we're in agreement about something.  The data is useless with no context.  Even with more context, I could care less, as its more fun to rip on MD drivers.

    contractor September 14, 2012 - 8:55 am #57963 Reply

    Captain_Obvious said:

    Ha, finally we're in agreement about something.  The data is useless with no context.  Even with more context, I could care less, as its more fun to rip on MD drivers.

    Hug?

    Captain_Obvious September 14, 2012 - 10:35 am #57964 Reply

    dynaroo said:

    Captain_Obvious said:

    Ha, finally we're in agreement about something.  The data is useless with no context.  Even with more context, I could care less, as its more fun to rip on MD drivers.

    Hug?

    bro-hug, unless you're trying to brainwash me…

    jbobmurph September 16, 2012 - 7:52 pm #57965 Reply

    DC JUST installed the first camera that would get folks from VA (on 395 north and south, just past the Maine Avenue exits in either direction).  

    And I don't think they're active yet (I drive past them every day, and have yet to see a flash go off, even though they've been in the ground for over a month). 

    Prior to this, as far as I know they've been concentrated on roads that inbound Marylanders take to get into the District (Rhode Island Ave, 16th Street, N Capitol, Connecticut, NY Ave, and the Anacostia Freeway all have them I think). 

    That said, this fact is no reason not to continue to point out that Maryland has worse drivers (and worse people, generally). 

    speonjosh September 17, 2012 - 9:25 am #57966 Reply

    Venn Diagram said:

    dynaroo said:

    Arlingtoon said:

    I had to laugh when I read Courtland Milloy’s column in this morning’s “Post.”  For those of you who didn’t read it, the subject of the column was the many speed cameras that the District government has installed.  Although I can’t confirm the accuracy of the statistics, Milloy stated that District drivers get approximately 25% of the tickets; Maryland drivers get 50% of the tickets, and Virginia and other states get the remaining 25%.

    As if we needed statistical proof that Maryland drivers are the worst.

    Not so fast.

    We need to know how many TOTAL drivers there are from each state driving in the District each day before we can judge.

    (And remember, many District residents don’t drive at all).

    Technically, you would need the number of trips past all the cameras (by state), as the TOTALl drivers in the District has nothing to do with the statistics, since anyone not passing a camera would have zero chance of getting a speed camera ticket.  But even that goes beyond Arlingtoon’s point (see non-intersecting circles above if you are still confused).

    omigod omigod. Venn Diagram is back!!! Yea!! We really, really, *really* missed you around here. You see you even inspired me to log in today so I could leave this message. Please stick around.

    JimPB September 17, 2012 - 10:36 am #57967 Reply

    ONE — If you look at the sites of speed cameras in DC, it appears that far more commuters from MD would be exposed to them.  There might well also be many more commuters into DC from MD than from VA.  If these suppositions are correct and were taken into account, it could just be that drivers from VA have a higher rate of traffic speed law violations (as detected by cameras).  

      

    TWO — How do you define competent driving?  How does obeying traffic speed limits fit into you definition of competent driving? 

    Captain_Obvious September 17, 2012 - 12:20 pm #57968 Reply

    JimPB said:

    ONE — If you look at the sites of speed cameras in DC, it appears that far more commuters from MD would be exposed to them.  There might well also be many more commuters into DC from MD than from VA.  If these suppositions are correct and were taken into account, it could just be that drivers from VA have a higher rate of traffic speed law violations (as detected by cameras).  

      

    TWO — How do you define competent driving?  How does obeying traffic speed limits fit into you definition of competent driving? 

    I would define competent driving as: 

    using turn signals

    understanding how a stop sign/yield sign works

    understanding how to merge lanes

    not cutting people off and then turning 50 yards later.

    stopping for school buses, crosswalks…

     

    that's just a few…

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