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No more school bus! Yorktown High School Walk maps?
  • Yorktown Rider August 19, 2012 - 8:43 am #58897 Reply

    Yesterday we received a notice that our high schoolers were no longer eligible for riding the bus to Yorktown HS. We live near EFC Metro. The letter guides us to this web page to view the boundary map for “walkers,” but there is no map there for any of the high schools. 

    http://www.apsva.us/Page/2932

     

    The letter says that we live inside the 1.5 mile safe walkable route to school. When I clock this route for my kids to walk, it is 1.6 miles to the stop sign on Greenbriar nearest to where the old pool was. We have been riding the bus for two years. Why the change now? We are well outside the 1.5 miles cited, but still no map to see how APS is calculating this distance. 

     

    What concerns me most is teenagers crossing Lee Highway twice a day at a corner where adult pedestrians have been killed. 

     

    Anyone have a copy of this Yorktown walker map? 

    BMaurer August 19, 2012 - 1:32 pm #58898 Reply

    When measuring distance, the county draws a circle around a school–in this case Yorktown–and anyone within the circle walks.  Now when walking, one must turn possibly several time which probably means the distance would be more than 1.5 miles.

     

    The poor dears!  Having to walk 1.6 miles!  And in high school, too.  Are you going to demand buses for your little darlings in college?

    yequalsy August 19, 2012 - 5:08 pm #58899 Reply

    The OP's complaint wasn't distance per se, but rather the necessary crossing of Lee Highway. I don't particularly blame her or him.  I cross Lee Highway by foot very frequently.  It's not exactly a piece of cake given the routine way drivers go 20 to 30 miles over the speed limit, ignore the pedestrian crossing at places like John Marshall, and flat don't see pedestrians crossing Lee Highway at Sycamore (this being drivers turning from Sycamore).

    JimPB August 19, 2012 - 7:11 pm #58900 Reply

    I've crossed Lee Highway at Sycamore a lot.  I haven't thought of it as an especially dangerous crossing.  What's the record of pedestrian injuries and deaths there (specifics, please).  But I support erring on the side of caution.  So it would be reasonable, indeed desirable, to

    1) position a large flashing lighted sign on Washington going East before Sycamore warning drivers to yield to pedestrians (perhaps also flashing lights on moveable poles at the intersection when youth and going to and returning from school). 

    2) have ACPD officers monitoring for driver violations when youth are going to and returning from school — no warnings, all get violators ticketed.  

    3) And a safety patrol at the intersection when youth are going to and returning from school with a video camera for recording drivers who violate the law with warning letters to vehicle owners, as appropriate.

    4) Compile and report the data (on Yorktown web site?) –

                                                     dates and times of officers monitoring and ticketing (number of tickets)

                                                    Safety patrol reports and videos of violations (dates and times, number) 

    5) Based on the data, revise if necessary and add additional steps until safe conditions are obtained. 

     

     

           

    Yorktown Rider August 19, 2012 - 8:21 pm #58901 Reply

    BMauer, you may want to check your facts instead of just throwing out your silly opinions. That is not the way that APS calculates distance. It has to be “safe walkable path.” We don't walk to school through peoples back yards. goodness…

     

    Here is an article from 2009 WP about Lee Highway and Harrison St

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..04342.html

     

    Has anyone ever seen crossing guards or police presence daily at Harrison & Lee Highway? I just don't think that will happen. 

    c August 20, 2012 - 7:00 am #58902 Reply

    If you live near the EFC station, then the Harrison St. crossing should not be an issue.  I live along Lee Highway and don’'t see crossing being dangerous for high school students if crossing at intersections with walk signals.  

    Captain_Obvious August 20, 2012 - 9:13 am #58903 Reply

    Yorktown Rider said:

    The letter says that we live inside the 1.5 mile safe walkable route to school. When I clock this route for my kids to walk, it is 1.6 miles to the stop sign on Greenbriar nearest to where the old pool was. We have been riding the bus for two years. Why the change now? We are well outside the 1.5 miles cited, but still no map to see how APS is calculating this distance. 

     

     

    Maybe you meant something different, but 1.6 miles is not “well outside the 1.5 miles cited”…

    bobco85 August 20, 2012 - 9:56 am #58904 Reply

    Yorktown Rider,

     

    You might want to check out the Walk Arlington website as they have one of their Walkabout routes that go through the Yorktown area. There is also contact information should you have questions.

     

    I think you should pick a few routes and walk them with your teenager. At the very least, it will give both of you a better idea of what to expect.

     

    Regarding the Washington Post article you were referencing, I've corrected the link here.

     

    That said, I think your teen will be fine, and it's important that your teen knows how to navigate busy intersections in various forms of transportation (by foot, in this case). I hope you determine a good route. Good luck!

    Rick August 20, 2012 - 10:34 am #58905 Reply

    c said:

    If you live near the EFC station, then the Harrison St. crossing should not be an issue.  I live along Lee Highway and don''t see crossing being dangerous for high school students if crossing at intersections with walk signals.  

    A guy I went to high school with lost both his parents when they were run over by a car crossing Lee Highway at Harrison. Even with the dopey curb that sticks out to make it one fat lane, it's still not the safest intersection based on its shape and people on Lee Highway.

    c August 20, 2012 - 12:14 pm #58906 Reply

    Only, if you live by EFC, you don't need to cross at Harrison.  There are other places to cross.  Sadly, most intersections have some sort of tragic accident associated with them.  Not all are really dangerous.  My point was that in this case we are talking about high school students crossing Lee Highway.  They should be able to cross Lee on their own. If one deems the crossing at Harrison as too dangerous, then the kids can cross at Sycamore or George Mason.  

    JimPB August 20, 2012 - 12:21 pm #58907 Reply

    Let this be an opportunity not to be missed to hold ARLCo board to account for walking the talk of ARLCo as a walkable area by insisting on pro-active steps, with data tracking for evaluation of successes or the need for further action, to maximize pedestrian safety.    

    Narlington August 21, 2012 - 8:47 am #58908 Reply

    I pass that school everyday i my way to work, you have two choices 1) if you don't think your young adult is smart enough to walk from your house to the school without some type of incident then you can drive them to school like the other 50% of Yorktown parents or 2) let them bike to school Yorktown paid alot of money for bike racks use them.

    Yorktown Rider August 21, 2012 - 9:03 am #58909 Reply

    Narlington, you miss the point. I know my kids are smart enough to walk to school. If you read my note, you would understand that it is the other morons that I am worried about. In case you have not noticed, Lee Highway is the official gateway to Fairfax. This morning I saw a close call with a adult pedestrian and a seasoned adult driver at George Mason and Lee Highway. It does not matter if it is not your fault and you are dead.

     

    Regarding biking to school, here is an interesting post from a rider's point of view:

     

    http://tinyurl.com/bvyu3l8

     

    c August 21, 2012 - 9:21 am #58910 Reply

    Your children are in HIGH SCHOOL.  They are old enough or approaching old enough to drive, yet they can't walk across a street?  I agree with NArlington.  If they are not able to cross the street safely, then drive them.  The county should not be responsible for transporting all students to school.  The walkable area they chose is similar to other jurisdictions.  My home town is actually much larger.  I would rather see the $$ spent on educating students, not in transportation.  The money that would need to be spent on new busses/bus drivers could fund a few more teachers to help reduce class size.

    newty25 August 21, 2012 - 9:26 am #58911 Reply

    Yorktown Rider said:

    Narlington, you miss the point. I know my kids are smart enough to walk to school. If you read my note, you would understand that it is the other morons that I am worried about. In case you have not noticed, Lee Highway is the official gateway to Fairfax. This morning I saw a close call with a adult pedestrian and a seasoned adult driver at George Mason and Lee Highway. It does not matter if it is not your fault and you are dead.

     

    Regarding biking to school, here is an interesting post from a rider's point of view:

     

    http://tinyurl.com/bvyu3l8

     

    I read that article.  I do think the 1.5 mile rule is a little short-sighted and can understand why a concerned parent doesn't their children crossing dangerous intersections to walk/bike to school. 

     

    But, the author of that article sounded more like an irrationally concerned parent and not someone with a well thought out argument.  Capital Bikeshare outside of schools?  That's laughable.  Perhaps we should also put bikeshare stations outside everyone's home so that they accessible to children for bike commuting?.  

     

    Inclement weather being a factor?  As if when it's snowing like crazy the schools don't shutdown.  Or, better yet, a concerned parent wouldn't drive the child to school.  C'mon.  I walked/biked to high school as a teen (more than 1.5 miles) and crossed several intersections to do so. Even during inclement weather. And, my mother was a stay at home mom.  On top of that, most kids have friends that drive to school that will come pick them up or drive them home when necessary.

     

    I just think the 1.5 mile rule should be relaxed major roads, such as Lee Highway, Glebe Rd, etc.  That's an obvious concern.

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