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NTSB recommends lowering BAC limit to .05
  • R. Griffon May 14, 2013 - 8:16 pm #73373 Reply

    novasteve said:

    What's the bigger risk to society?

    No question: Tobacco is the bigger risk to society.  In fact, more than 5x moreso than alcohol (>400K/yr. vs. ~80K).  Do most people not actually know that?

    How do you like dem apples?

    I LOVE dem apples.  Restrict yourself to 1 beer/glass of wine per hour on average like a responsible adult or simply don’t drive.  And if you can’t do that, go to jail before you kill someone.

    Love it.  Bravo.

    vibrancy May 15, 2013 - 8:24 am #73389 Reply

    @ novasteve:  “Man, I should get licensed in VA and start a DWI firm here. .05 is just two drinks. Or I could move back to NY and do that there. Imagine all the people who have had more than two drinks on Long Island. Holy crap.”

    Nice thought Steve, but you actually need to pass New York’s and/or Virginia’s bar in order to implement your plan.  Based on your first two posts in this thread, which are totally incoherent and incomprehensible, I highly doubt you’ve satisfied the above prerequisite.   Oh, and most state’s bars require that you attended an *accredited* law school before they’ll admit you.  I can’t imagine what accredited law school would have admitted you given your undergrad grades, lsat score, and application essays–so there’s that too.  HTH.

    Bluemontsince1961 May 15, 2013 - 8:47 am #73392 Reply

    @wimmer201 – Ah, thanks for the reminder.

    novasteve May 15, 2013 - 9:38 am #73399 Reply

    vibrancy? how would you know my undergrad grades, my LSAT school or where I went to law school?


    To R Griffon: I asked you IN BARS. What poses the biggest risk to society, smoking in bars or the consumption of alcohol in bars? People who aren’t in bars can avoid cigarette smoke by not entering. However drinkers leave bars, and drive in cars, get into fights, beat up domestic partners, etc..


    Have more people died from smoking in bars than have died from bar fights?

    Anonymous May 15, 2013 - 9:41 am #73401 Reply

    Alcohol vs. tobacco aside, the ban on tobacco in public buildings is for preventing others from involuntarily breathing your disgusting, dangerous smoke.

    You aren’t forced to ingest alcohol by going into a bar.

    Stop whining, steve. Go spew your smoke outside.

    Anonymous May 15, 2013 - 9:42 am #73402 Reply

    I would like to know where steve went to law school so that I can avoid ever hiring an attorney who went there.

    Captain_Obvious May 15, 2013 - 9:51 am #73408 Reply

    Can we please stay on topic and not get into smoking in bars again ?  Its been illegal for years now, get over it.

    novasteve May 15, 2013 - 9:52 am #73409 Reply

    So why aren’t you banning cars sansabelt? Id be much more worried about the car exhaust you are breathing in. BTW. dry cleaned clothes give off carcinogens, wso why are you singling out smoke? Unless you demand that dry cleaned clothes be banned from bars, you are picking and choosing. I thought you care about health?



    novasteve May 15, 2013 - 9:52 am #73410 Reply

    Soon having a beer and driving will be illegal. Enjoy your bed, liberals. You made it since you LOVE the nanny state so much.

    Captain_Obvious May 15, 2013 - 9:56 am #73412 Reply

    wait, you advocate drinking and driving ?

    novasteve May 15, 2013 - 10:08 am #73420 Reply

    CO, you want a zero tolerance policy? Meaning you go out to some event, someone is giving out 4 ounce samples of beer, you then go home and drive. You think that person should have a DWI conviction for drinking 4 ouces of beer?

    Captain_Obvious May 15, 2013 - 10:12 am #73421 Reply

    I doubt 4 oz. of beer would register enough.  And I didn’t say zero tolerance.  I’m just trying to wrap my head around you saying this is liberal nanny state.  To me, this wreaks more about money (from more DUI’s) than safety.

    As you know, alcohol affects everyone differently.  I could probably down 2 beers within a 2 hr timeframe and be under the .05 limit…my wife, not so much.

    novasteve May 15, 2013 - 10:16 am #73422 Reply

    You are wrong CO. If you have a zero tolerance policy which you apparently want, 4 ounces would definetely register and you would be arrested for DWI. You asked “you advocate drinking and driving”?


    If you have one sip of alcohol and drive, that is “drinking and driving”. Most people don’t spend 2 hours in a restaurant. If you say had 2 glasses of wine with dinner, under the news standard YOU WILL BE GOING TO JAIL FOR DWI. You want that?

    Captain_Obvious May 15, 2013 - 10:20 am #73428 Reply

    I asked that question because you said “soon having a beer and driving will be illegal”.  In no way, have I said I support a zero tolerance policy…ok, get that in your head now.

    1 sip of alcohol with food will not register, so why are you trying to give extreme, non-realistic examples ?

    And 2 hours at dinner is a fairly reasonable time.

    novasteve May 15, 2013 - 10:24 am #73431 Reply

    You asked me if I supported “drinking and driving”.


    IT even registeres if you u se MOUTHWASH. Hence why even for underage people they set it at .02 in places to take that into account. You have NO IDEA what you are talking about. ANy amount of alcohol can show up and even from NOT consuming alcohol. You use an alcohol based mouthwash, and you will have a measurable amount of alcohol in your bloodstream because it will enter your bloodstream.

    Not everyone has 2 hours to spend out at dinner, and do you think restaurants are going to want tables tied up for two hours?


    Stop. Give me a break. Do you even believe what you wrote?

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