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NTSB recommends lowering BAC limit to .05
  • FrenchyB May 15, 2013 - 10:25 am #73432 Reply

    slap

    Captain_Obvious May 15, 2013 - 10:31 am #73435 Reply

    if you chug your mouthwash, then maybe it will register.  1 sip of beer won’t, neither will using mouthwash.  It just won’t.

    How bout this…if you’re out and you are contemplating having another drink, but not sure if you could pass a breathalyzer, then simply don’t have the drink.

    The difference between .08 and .05 is probably 1 drink anyway.

    No one is advocating zero tolerance…at all, not even me.  Don’t know how many more times I have to write that.

    novasteve May 15, 2013 - 10:35 am #73437 Reply

    you said “drinking and driving”. Do you deny that having a  beer and driving is drinking and driving?

    wimmer201 May 15, 2013 - 10:42 am #73438 Reply

    New drinking game….drink every time he says “deny”.  Everyone will be way over the limit.   Or, drink every time he does actual work.  A sure way to remain totally sober.

    Hank May 15, 2013 - 10:48 am #73443 Reply

    Back to the law school thing… I can totally see NS’s degree coming from Liberty University, despite religious differences.

    novasteve May 15, 2013 - 10:54 am #73445 Reply

    When you don’t have an argument, make a personal attack.

    Captain_Obvious May 15, 2013 - 11:40 am #73465 Reply

    If people are under the legal limit, then fine, if they aren’t, they have to suffer the consequences.  There is a thing called personal responsibility.

    And when you don’t have an answer to a question, you claim personal attack, cower in your shell, or change the subject.

    R. Griffon May 15, 2013 - 12:01 pm #73473 Reply

    novasteve said:

    People who aren't in bars can avoid cigarette smoke by not entering. However drinkers leave bars, and drive in cars, get into fights, beat up domestic partners, etc..

    You’re applying a double standard. People shouldn’t have to avoid bars in order to avoid the dangers of tobacco just as they shouldn’t have to avoid the streets/sidewalks/home in order to avoid the dangers of alcohol via drunk drivers/fights/domestic abuse. In both cases, the onus is and should be on the consumer of the product to ensure that their consumption affects nobody else. If you get drunk and drive down your private road where you smash into a tree, or beat yourself up (maybe “fall down and get hurt” is more realistic), then I could care less. Go and knock yourself out. Just don’t drive on a public road, start a fight with someone else, or beat your domestic partner. Just as you shouldn’t smoke anywhere that it’ll be inhaled by anyone who hasn’t chosen to partake directly. That’s why smoking should be banned everywhere but in the privacy of your home and car.

    Soon having a beer and driving will be illegal.

    And I’d be OK with that too. If that were the case then I simply wouldn’t drink at all if I drove, just as I now adhere to a strict < 1 beer/hr policy (though due to my own moral standard rather than fear of getting caught). See? Easy.

    novasteve May 15, 2013 - 12:10 pm #73475 Reply

    how about banning loud conversation and music in bars because it is bad for hearing?

    Hank May 15, 2013 - 12:13 pm #73476 Reply

    NovaSteve loves a good slippery slope argument!  He learned it at Liberty University’s online law school.

    novasteve May 15, 2013 - 12:19 pm #73477 Reply

    When you don’t have any argument, you make a personal attack.

    Hank May 15, 2013 - 12:26 pm #73481 Reply

    NovaSteve learned to retort with “you make a personal attack” at the drop of a hat when his qualifications are questioned… at Liberty University.

    R. Griffon May 15, 2013 - 1:02 pm #73485 Reply

    how about banning loud conversation and music in bars because it is bad for hearing?

    That’s a pretty huge leap from “which KILLS more people?” to “damages hearing.” So I’ll stick to the point and say Yes – if loud conversation and/or music is KILLING people, then it too should be banned.

    Hank May 15, 2013 - 1:30 pm #73491 Reply

    You know where you’re not allowed to hear loud music?  Liberty University.

    novasteve May 15, 2013 - 1:37 pm #73492 Reply

    Smoking in bars kills nobody. Drinking in bars has killed people. Music in bars hurts hearing. If you can ban smoking in bars because it smells bad, but hasn’t killed anyone (if you have evidence that anyone has ever died from smoking cigarettes in bars, please present it), then why can’t you ban music to protect hearing?

     

    Also, with the new .05 standard, don’t you think it might make it likely that breathalizers will become standard with all traffic stops?Because being .051 will be a SERIOUS crime of DWI, yet the police officer will not think that the person is necessarily intoxicated. IN fact you probably won’t even be able to tell at all. So would you be fine with breathalizers for all traffic stops since the lower standard will be harder to test with field sobriety tests or looking at eyes?

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