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VA ABC finds Trolley Pub illegal – also drinking in limos and party buses
  • e1ix0r April 30, 2013 - 12:29 pm #71736 Reply

    Quoth the Raven – D-bags are everywhere.   The median age for our tours is in the 30s.  Even for the bookings we have so far in Arlington, the demographics are pretty varied.  Everything from middle aged professionals from Maryland to twenty somethings in Clarendon.  We’ve done 5 tours in Clarendon so far (dry) and all our passengers we’re awesome.

    ABC really doesn’t take policy like that into consideration for their rulings.  The COO said the shape of our vehicle or the nature of our business didn’t affect their analysis. Just a strict reading of the text.  Not sure I buy that but that’s what they said.

    novasteve April 30, 2013 - 1:17 pm #71787 Reply

    Something tells me that there are more douchebags at NC state than in a small neighborhood in Arlington.

    Captain_Obvious April 30, 2013 - 1:21 pm #71788 Reply

    So if you go to college, you’re a d-bag ?

    Quoth the Raven April 30, 2013 - 1:53 pm #71794 Reply

    e1ix0r — in all seriousness, if ABC is enforcing the law the same way for everyone, then you’re probably out of luck.  But if you’re being singled out in some way (and it looks a bit like that’s happening) then you have a good argument and I hope you prevail.

    And you’re right – I should reserve judgment.  Good luck!

    novasteve April 30, 2013 - 1:54 pm #71795 Reply

    Higher per capita level of douchebags I would presume. I guess it depends on the school. I doubt MIT has per capita as man douchebags as UVA has. UNC has more douchebags than NC State. Michigan has more douchebags than michigan state. Ohio state is one giant douchebag.

    novanglus April 30, 2013 - 3:29 pm #71810 Reply

    e1xor: did you consider the effects of the new noise ordinance on your business plan? During your trial runs this weekend, the music and chatter could easily be heard inside homes several blocks away. Not a problem on weekend afternoons, but it would be a big problem after the kids’ bedtime.

    http://arlington.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?meta_id=104307&view=&showpdf=1

    F. It shall be unlawful for any person to use, operate, or play, or to permit the use, operation or playing of, any radio, television, phonograph, record, compact disc or tape player, drum, musical instrument, loudspeaker, sound amplifier or similar device or machine which produces, reproduces or amplifies sound in such a manner as to be heard within any dwelling unit, house or apartment of another person at least 20 feet from the source of the sound, or at least 50 feet from the source of the sound and either across any real property boundary or at any built street at the curb or on the edge of the pavement.

    1234 April 30, 2013 - 4:20 pm #71815 Reply

    Complaining about music and chatter from people? Seriously? Perhaps you shouldn’t live to close to the street. What about cars with subs and loud exhaust? Do you complain about them all the time?

    If you live close to the street, you should be use to it by now, or should have adjusted your lifestyle to adapt to your surroundings.

    novasteve April 30, 2013 - 4:30 pm #71816 Reply

    I’ve had a neighbor ask me to not run my dishwasher after 8PM. People here must love their silence.

    novanglus April 30, 2013 - 6:46 pm #71819 Reply

    350sbc: I’ve lived here 18 years and rarely have a problem with noise, and I said that the trolley wasn’t a problem this weekend. We moved here because of the nightlife and are regulars at many local establishments. Those establishments know what the rules are and they follow them. The ones that don’t tend to go out of business for other reasons.

    If the trolley pub can follow a simple rule about the volume of their music, it won’t be a problem. And the chatter won’t be a problem if the patrons aren’t screaming to be heard over the music. The trolley pub is a fun idea, and I hope they work out their ABC issues and succeed.

    e1ix0r April 30, 2013 - 6:49 pm #71820 Reply

    We will definitely follow the rules.  I will turn down the bass on the stereo as that seems to be what really carries the noise.  We are hear to foster a fun environment, not be a nuisance.

    People do tend to “wooo” a lot when they are on board.  Thanks for the well wishes novanglus.

    CourthouseChris April 30, 2013 - 8:09 pm #71821 Reply

    Slap a hull on that thing and register it as a boat – bingo – legal issues solved.

     

    Plus, the drinkers will love to sing “I’m on a boat…”, which will also help allay the concerns of ABC officials that happen to see it in operation, as all of the occupants will be heard declaring that the vessle is indeed a boat.

    e1ix0r April 30, 2013 - 8:17 pm #71822 Reply

    Brilliant!

    1RLI May 1, 2013 - 9:02 am #71840 Reply

    Actually, CourthouseChris may be on to something.  According to what Arl1ngton posted on page 1 of this thread, the statute states, “This term shall not includethe passenger area of a motor vehicle designed, maintained or used primarily for the transportation of persons for compensation, including a bus, taxi, or limousine, while engaged in the transportation of such persons.”  Put a moped-like engine on in and you’ve got a motor vehicle designed for the transportation of persons for compensation.  Of course, converting a pedal-powered vehicle into a motor vehicle may present other challenges.

    novasteve May 1, 2013 - 9:40 am #71843 Reply

    If you put a motor on it with open intoxicants on board then there’s a rebuttable presumption the driver has been drinking. The police could make life unpleasant for the driver.

    Aaron May 1, 2013 - 11:16 am #71855 Reply

    Quoth the Raven - D-bags are everywhere. The median age for our tours is in the 30s. Even for the bookings we have so far in Arlington, the demographics are pretty varied. Everything from middle aged professionals from Maryland to twenty somethings in Clarendon. We've done 5 tours in Clarendon so far (dry) and all our passengers we're awesome. ABC really doesn't take policy like that into consideration for their rulings. The COO said the shape of our vehicle or the nature of our business didn't affect their analysis. Just a strict reading of the text. Not sure I buy that but that's what they said.

    You’re encouraging MORE Marylanders to spend their evenings and weekends getting trashed in our beloved county?  

    I can no longer support your frippery.

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