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VA ABC finds Trolley Pub illegal – also drinking in limos and party buses
  • novanglus May 14, 2013 - 5:29 pm #73362 Reply

    I’d be shocked if that law change actually happened. But if it does, at least it’ll help our metro-accessible bars, as well as the trolley pub, taxis, and Uber.

    Most industrialized countries have the .05 limit, or lower. Australia saw a steep drop in traffic fatalities after they dropped it from .08. There is a difference in driver impairment at those levels, but that’s not the real reason it had an effect on fatalities.  The dangerous drunk drivers are the ones who can’t stop drinking after the first drink, and a .05 limit stops  people from having just one drink if they’re driving later.

    That’s very unfair to the 90+% of people who don’t have that problem, which is why it won’t happen in the US. We have a different political ideology  here — notice that all the countries with <.05 BAC limits have also outlawed gun ownership.

    novasteve May 14, 2013 - 5:34 pm #73365 Reply

    Gi ven the metro doesn’t function properly, I don’t see how any bars nearby will benefit. Will this mean the end from bars in the suburbs where they don’t have public transit or enough taxis or a trolley pub?

     

    What will happen to the holidays sober ride where now anyone who has had more than two will elligible to use it?

    novanglus May 14, 2013 - 5:52 pm #73367 Reply

    > Will this mean the end from bars in the suburbs where they don't have public transit or enough taxis or a trolley pub?

    In the US, it wouldn’t mean the end of anything. We learned that in the 30′s.

    People will  still go to bars and they’ll still drive afterwards. They’ll avoid the sobriety checkpoints that are always advertised in advance, and they’ll get pulled over if they’re swerving, just like today. It wouldn’t change anything for the problem drunk drivers. It would make the careful law-abiders a little more careful. In other words, it would be pointless.

    novasteve May 15, 2013 - 10:49 am #73444 Reply

    But if the police really wanted to nail people, and get revenues in the process, knowing now it only takes two beers, they could put up a lot more checkpoints and pull over more people and just do DWI tests for people who were pulled over just regular infractions since it will be harder to tell given the lower standnard. You could appear totally fine but be over the lower limit. Perhaps a breathalizer will be a standard part of any pull over now?

    Quoth the Raven May 15, 2013 - 12:56 pm #73483 Reply

    Sansabelt – I “got that” by your comment about how people who don’t like trolleys are pathetic, whining losers.  When you hear people, like you, talking about how “Virginia won’t let people have fun” then you indeed sound like a child.  Which you no doubt are.  Or a 20 something d-bag who has the maturity level of a child.  Same thing.

    Dezlboy May 15, 2013 - 2:32 pm #73504 Reply

    @Novasteve, do you think liberals are behind the move to lower the DUI standards?  If not, who is?  And, what do you think their reasoning is.  Not yours. Theirs.

    novasteve May 15, 2013 - 2:36 pm #73506 Reply

    I’d have to look into it. I would say the trend of nannying even over alcohol has been left wing for quite some time. Don’t forget that the original prohibition in the early 20th century was overwhelmingly a feminist driven effort. Howvever there were plenty of religious people who would be considred to be on the right that also favored prohibition. Now the only calls on restricting alcohol I’ve seen have been pretty much only from the left.

     

    We’ll know for sure when states start to adopt it, and I would bet my 401k that it will be a liberal state, probably either NY, CA or MD that will adopt it first. I can just see Martin O’Malley drooling at the prospects of all the fines he can collect from having ab igger pool of people violating the law. Basically if people obeyed the new law and lived in suburbs, bars would go out of business. If they don’t obey the law there will be tons and tons of people driving over the .05 limit. It’s so easy to have 2 pints of beer and drive. But that will be illegal  under the new standard. If you drink two pints of bud light, in under 2 hours and you drive, you will be over the legal limit. So will they switch to 12 ounce glasses? Heaven forbid someone drank a “craft” beer which are t ypically stronger than 5%

    Anonymous May 16, 2013 - 11:34 am #73651 Reply

    “I would say the trend of nannying even over alcohol has been left wing for quite some time.”

    LOL. Yeah, steve, it’s all lefties who want to stop drinking, while conservatives have been standing up for the right to get drunk.

    Only in your bizarre fantasy world where “liberal” means “anything I don’t like.”

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