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Virginia's very own version of Todd "Legitimate Rape" Akin
  • novasteve May 20, 2013 - 12:46 pm #73950 Reply

    Oh please. If democrats could, they would have “hate speech” laws today. They wish there were a lot of speech they could outlaw, since it’s harder to do, they are incrementally trying to eliminate gun rights.

     

    If you believed people had the right to expell any object from their body they want, then you would have to oppose the committment of people who mutilate themselves? Don’t they have a right to do those things to themselves? Some people want organs removed even that are perfectly healthy.

     

    Do people have a right to expell or even prevent themselves from being vaccinated? Are you going to deny that the vaccination goes into your body?

     

    Dude, you don’t even have a right to sell your own organs. There’s no property rights in your body, so why is some giant exception made when you are so self absorbed you would kill your own child because it is inconvenient to you? What’s so special about that?

     

    I know democrats can do mental gymnastics to deny reality, but are you even capable of saying when a woman has an abortion she’s killing her own child? If not that, killing her own offspring? I can’t even begin to describe to you the mental gymnastics I’ve heard to justify it and to deny the reality of what it is. But I will just give you one, a grown women, stomping her feet like a three year old who shouted, “it’s not a human or my child until I say it is!”.

     

    Men get circumcized, women don’t. I bet you oppose that. Do men have bodily autonomy when their foreskins get removed? Do you want to ban that?

    iiandyiiii May 20, 2013 - 1:04 pm #73958 Reply

    You are incorrect about “hate speech” laws.  Virtually no democrats want to outlaw anyone’s right to say distasteful things.  You are very, very wrong again.

     

    I’m saying it doesn’t matter if it’s a child or not- any adult (of healthy, sound mind, so as to set aside that silly self-mutilation or voluntary amputation canard) can expel anything from their body if they want it out.  For pregnant women that want to end their pregnancy before viability, that means that the fetus will not survive if the mother wants it out.  For pregnant women that want to end it after viability, that means  the woman has the right (with the advice and consent of her health care provider) to induce labor and deliver (expel) the baby.  That doesn’t mean she has the right to kill the baby once it’s outside of her- she doesn’t, and neither does the doctor.  But any adult person of any gender (of sound mind blah blah) has the right to remove anything from their body, no matter what it is, if he or she wants it out of his/her body.  Period.  No mental gymnastics here.

     

    If you’re asking me if I think circumcision should be outlawed- no, I don’t.  Children don’t have the same rights as adults, and parents can make decisions for their babies (as long as it’s not abuse).   I do not believe male circumcision is abuse.

    novasteve May 20, 2013 - 1:15 pm #73959 Reply

    What about vaccinations?

     

    Democrats would absolutely love to ban speech they don’t approve of. Why do you think they accuse everyone who doesn’t agreew ith them of some kind of bigotry, racism, etc? Since they can’t outlaw the speech now, they do the next best thing, and try to silence you with accusations of racism. The worst accusation you can make today.

     

    You also have absolutely have no idea what liberals are doing on college campuses, even public schools, banning all sorts of speech they don’t approve of. In fact they limit “free speech” to “free speech zones” and even what is allowed t here is very limited.

     

    http://forward.com/articles/160355/u-of-calif-weighs-banning-hate-speech/?p=all

    iiandyiiii May 20, 2013 - 1:26 pm #73961 Reply

    You are wrong, wrong, wrong about Democrats wanting to ban speech.  You are incorrect.  False.  Untrue.  Everything you are saying about that topic is wrong.

    College campuses are not governments.  If a college campus, like most high schools already do, chooses to suspend or expel (or otherwise discipline) students who espouse bigoted views, then I don’t have a problem with that.  Do you think a university shouldn’t be allowed to expel someone who (for example) puts up posters targeting certain religions or ethnic groups with racial slurs?

    Once again you are incorrect.

    As to vaccinations- adults can already turn down any vaccination they want.  Most states (but not the federal government) have laws requiring certain vaccinations for children to attend public schools.  Parents don’t have to vaccinate their kids (though I hope they do), but they can’t send them to public school if they don’t.  There is no conflict between this and the right to bodily autonomy.

    Anonymous May 20, 2013 - 1:29 pm #73963 Reply

    So, steve, from what I can tell, you answered “no” to my first question.

    So do you agree that it’s an outrageous violation of privacy to require women to report all miscarriages? Would you want your wife to have to report one, and be subject to investigation?

    Again, yes or no please.

     

    Anonymous May 20, 2013 - 1:31 pm #73964 Reply

    Steve is playing his typical deflection game. Instead of facing the fact that the Republican who is running for office – and therefore the only relevant subject – proposed an outrageous violation of privacy, Steve starts spewing random accusations about others.

    Stick to the subject, steve, which is Obenshain.

    novasteve May 20, 2013 - 1:45 pm #73968 Reply

    Okay, so he has committed an unforgivable sin while we can ignore all the things that democrats do and have done. it only matters when a republican does it. Got it.

     

    iiandyiii: What about children and vaccines? If a 12 year old has a”right” to have abortions then surely she has a right to refuse a vaccination? If not, how do you explain thise huge, huge double standard?

    novasteve May 20, 2013 - 1:48 pm #73969 Reply

    No I wouldn’t. But why do you want me so be treated that way when I exercise my second amendment rights? You get treated like a criminal when you exercise that constitutional right. Again, a miscarriage, pregnancy, etc aren’t constitutional rights. That’s just reality. Gun rights are.

    iiandyiiii May 20, 2013 - 1:58 pm #73971 Reply

    The rights of a 12-year old are the same in both cases, Steve- I don’t know what you’re trying to demonstrate.  Most 12-year olds don’t see the doctor without their parents present- so they’re not getting any treatment that their parents don’t consent to.  In unusual circumstances (like, say, a 12-year old who escapes from her rapist father), the child has the right to medical treatment without notification of her parents, perhaps with notification of social services.  So on the off chance a 12-year old finds him or herself in a doctor’s office alone, with a doctor who says “you should have these vaccinations”, then yes, the child has the right to say no- the doctor can’t force the child to take the vaccinations.

    What did you expect the answer to be?

    iiandyiiii May 20, 2013 - 2:00 pm #73972 Reply

    Submitting to background checks (which have been around for quite a while, and are considered CONSTITUTIONAL) is not violating anyone’s rights.  So you’re not treated like a criminal- criminals are arrested, tried, and convicted.  Having a background check, or a waiting period, is not comparable.

    novasteve May 20, 2013 - 2:01 pm #73973 Reply

    Completely wrong. In most states a 12 year old would need parental CONSENT, not notification to treat a MEDICAL problem like a broken let, but that same 12 year old can get an abortion without even parental notification, let alone consent. They MIGHT have to get a judge to fill in as “parent”, but the parents won’t even be notified until after the fact. The same 12 year old would need permision from a parent to get treated for an infection though. No double standards here, no special privileges…

     

    Kids won’t be allowed to go to school if they don’t get vaccinated, and they are required by law to attend school. they will get forced. and I bet the parents will lose custody if they don’t comply.

     

    So give me a break about the “keep your laws off my body” because liberals think it only applies to abortion.

    newty25 May 20, 2013 - 2:02 pm #73974 Reply

    Aren’t abortions legal at the federal level? And, therefore, if Republicans want to ban to abortions… aren’t conservatives stripping away rights that Americans currently have?

    And, how did a discussion about women being jailed for not reporting a miscarriage turn into a discussion about Republicans stripping away the right to have an abortion?

    Sounds like Steve attempting to turn the conversation into meeting his own agenda… but yet again failing to make a valid point or answer direct questions about the topic at hand.

    Why do you guys bother conversing with that troll?

    novasteve May 20, 2013 - 2:09 pm #73975 Reply

    Don’t show your ignorance newty. Unless you are referring to some kind of military base, or maybe federal land, there aren’t going to be “federal level” abortion issues. It’s a state issue. Roe v. Wade tells the states tehy can’t outlaw abortion. If Roe v. Wade were overturned, I bet you think that means “oh my god! abortion will be criminalized”. It will be like before 1973. Some states will make it illegal, others will not. You guys want to completely outlaw guns though incrementally.

    Captain_Obvious May 20, 2013 - 2:13 pm #73977 Reply

    nope, no one is trying to outlaw guns.  Lie !

    newty25 May 20, 2013 - 2:20 pm #73979 Reply

    Is there any doubt in another day and age ns would be locked up with at an insane asylum somewhere?

    His dementia is epic.

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