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Police Investigate Weekend Incident at Whitlow’s

by ARLnow.com June 20, 2011 at 4:25 pm 11,438 122 Comments

Police are investigating an incident that happened at a popular Clarendon watering hole Friday night.

A man was knocked to the ground in a stairwell at Whitlow’s on Wilson (2854 Wilson Blvd) just before 9:00 p.m. A bar patron who saw the aftermath told ARLnow.com that the man was bleeding from his ear and from a fracture in the back of his head.

“This guy was in really bad shape,” said the tipster. “I am a former Marine and I’ve seen some nasty stuff, and this was pretty bad.”

The police report suggests that the man started arguing with a bouncer when he was told he couldn’t bring his drink outside. The bouncer then hit the man, knocking him over, according to the police report and a witness, who Tweeted a photo of the man lying on the ground. The man apparently suffered a head injury upon hitting the floor.

The injured man has not made a statement yet, police say, and at this point no charges have been filed. Police say the man is in the hospital with what appear to be non-life threatening injuries.

Photo by @joshbt

  • DudeGuy

    Shame, hope he recovers.

  • Steve

    Even though Whitlows has a smoking section (which is rarely open), I don’t patronize blaces that have bouncers. It says a lot about your establishment and its clientelle if you need bouncers.. The worst i’ve experienced was at Clarendon Grille. many years ago I was there, close to closing time, but not yet, still at least 15 minutes till last call, my friends enter, order drinks, and as we’re sitting down with the drinks, the bouncers came up to us and said we had to leave, the bar was closed. We said we would finish our drinks that we just got, and he said no, we had to leave right now, they were closed, and I let him know that if they were closed, why did they just serve me alcohol and charge me money? So i sat down, started to drink my drink, and the bouncer assaulted me, tried to throw me out, and I threw him into the door. I got back up to get my phone and stuff and my friend and we left, the guy threatened to call the police, and told him to F’ himself and that I’ll be back tomorrow to get a refund for the drink.

    • Arlingtonian

      Wow, without the physical altercation bit, I had the exact same experience at Liberty Tavern!

      • NomNom

        I had the same experience at Rhino Bar in Georgetown. Same scenario but after the bouncer told me to leave and I said I would finish my drink and go, the bouncer grabbed my wrist and twisted it forcing me to spill my drink on myself. My girlfriend and I were then grabbed from behind and thrown out. After the altercation the bouncer came outside and started yelling at me. When I went up to him to ask him what the problem was I could tell by the look in his eyes that he wanted me to hit him so he and the other bouncer could assault me and do some damage. I walked away and will never go back to Rhino Bar again. I wouldnt even recommend that bar to my worst enemy.

        • CrystalMikey

          Hmmm…Rhino’s been my regular haunt for the last 3 years or so and have never come across anyone like that. Not to mention they don’t really hire bouncers, those guys walking the floor are barbacks.

          • NomNom

            Well this occured in March of 2008, so I am not sure how much, or if anything, has changed. I got my drink a couple of minutes before last call on a Friday night (early Saturday morning), and that is when it all started. I write that because I dont know if they only employ bouncers late night. Normally for Eagles’ games we just walk in (my girlfriend is from Philly, and I am not) and there were no bouncers or problems. I am not certain that they were technically bouncers. I just remember the snake eyed fellow who forced me to spill my drink on myself and the rugged fellow behind him waiting for me to strike. Fortunately I am a well tempered, and knew exactly what the guy was wanting.

      • Southeast Jerome

        All of those roided-up bouncers can be found at the Ballston Golds gym rocking gear from Arlington Nutrition Center.

        They have dead-end jobs, dead-end lives and live to be the biggest meathead of all meatheads.

        • Lycan

          I’m a bouncer with an engineering degree and a great job…try again.

        • MC 703

          Sounds like you’re one of the scrawny guys at Ballston Gold’s with an awesome job and life.

          • Lycan

            OR The scrawny one with a Napoleon complex that gets drunk and mouths off until some one throws him out on the side walk.

        • MC 703

          Further, this guy is the owner / franchisee of Arlington Nutrition Center.

          Read his bio. Then feel weak and dumb.


          • Yo!

            Umm, that guy is very big. I feel weak, but perhaps not dumb.

    • Westover

      Steve you do realize that most places that have bouncers do so as required by the law or their insurance, don’t you?

      • charlie

        there is NO law that requires bouncers.
        There IS a law that requires that you not let drinks off the premise. So if you have idiot customers, then you might NEED a bouncer.

        the point is also clear, this guy did not leave with his drink.

        • doodly

          Don’t forget they need to enforce the law against smoking too!

          • Lycan

            It’s not so much bounce, what it boils down to is crowd control. Bartenders can’t enforce rules AND serve drinks. Plus you need them there for the “just in case” events. And the true part is most drunk people don’t know or care what the rules are and need to be told what to do.

          • harry

            Right on.

    • CW

      Agreed 100%. I don’t like being in places with bouncers. Now,m understand, there’s a difference between a doorman or two and a “bouncer”. It usually involves skin-tight t-shirts and weighted gloves. It’s not like cops – I don’t feel like they’re there to protect anyone. If someone goes and tells them some dude is causing trouble and I’m there minding my own business, but Bubba misinterprets and thinks I’m the guy they’re looking for…well, explaining your way out of things doesn’t work with those types.

      Besides, the sight just usually turns me off. If I’m going to go out for a fun night, why the hell do I want to do it at a place where they think there is such an imminent threat of violence that they need a ton of brute force?

      Whitlows must allow smoking on their new roof deck, no?

      • James

        The roof top deck is considered non-smoking even though its outside…it’s part of the establishment.

        If you have a ‘smokers’ area like Iota, that is fine…but the rooftop is basically an extension of Whitlows since they serve food/drinks, etc up there.

        • CW

          Ahh, I did not know that. I don’t go on many roof decks, and I’m not consciously looking for smokers when i do.

    • bred

      OK. This may have been “he said vs. he said” I think that if you were lawfully enjoying a late night drink, before closing, and not causing any other problems, you should have called the police and the bouncer may be in trouble for assault..

    • Brandon C

      Then all you’ll be going to are places like T.G.I.McHoulihans or Professor P. J. Cornucopia’s Fantastic Foodmagorium and Great American Steakery.

      Bouncers are necessary because even in the classiest of classy establishments, sometimes someone has a little too much to drink and does something stupid. It’s not just a question of throwing them out or enforcing the rules, it’s a liability issue. If a drunkard does something and no one was there to ensure some level of safety, then it’s an incredibly actionable event and they can be taken to court.

      But, if you want to live in your lovely world of The Spaghetti Laboratory, that’s your call.

      • NPGMBR


      • doodly


      • Maria

        Hey, don’t knock the Spaghetti Laboratory. It’s my favorite place to drink Shirley Temples and give people hugs. That’s what bars are for, right?

    • Lycan

      Not saying you were wrong…but both bars i work at people wont leave unless you make them(most of the time i just yell) They are content standing there talking and drinking until 3am if you let them.

      In my opinion it was the bartenders fault for giving you the drink is they really were closed.

      • Lycan

        This is how it SHOULD be:
        1:30 last call
        1:45 Yell 5 minute warning
        1:50 Yell 2 minutes then walk around to all the groups and tell them i am taking their drink in about a minute.
        1:55 I start taking drinks out of everyone hands.

        If you want to argue after that then your the dickhead hows looking for a fight.

        • Maria

          How it should be and how it is are not always one and the same, unfortunately. If more bars did it this way, you’d have a lot fewer unpopular bouncers.

  • jotorious

    Now this is interesting, who thinks Bouncers get to punch people? And who is liable in this situation?

  • JamesE

    Wow, I am shocked to see this behavior in Clarendon. I’d expect something like this to happen in Ballston or Rosslyn.

    • wat

      Where would you see this in Rosslyn? There is 1 bar, and certainly no bouncer, let alone steps there.

    • Rosslynite

      Is this where I insert the obligatory South Arlington/Columbia Pike crack?

      • SamsontheCat

        Drink all the time on the Pike and South Arlington. No bouncers there. It’s that whole, “When everyone carries a gun, no need for police” thing. Ha

    • Josh S

      Funny. +1

  • CW

    That’s pretty egregious. Whitlow’s loses some respect in my book.

    Of course he’s not made a statement yet. He got his skull fractured. Even if he doesn’t have cranial injuries, I’m sure his lawyer let him know to keep quiet. If I were him, I’d be feeling plenty litigious.

    • Brendan

      agreed… there is no excuse for this… no matter what he said or did. If the bouncer played a roll in him falling down the stairs the owners should be in the hospital apologizing and begging for a quick settlement.

      • NPGMBR

        What if the bouncer has nothing to do with his fall?

        • CW

          “The bouncer then hit the man, knocking him over, according to the police report and a witness ”

          Reading – it’s a beautiful thing.

  • ABC

    I wonder if it was the bouncer at Whitlow’s that has arms the size of most people’s legs.

    • danielobvt

      hah, I was wondering the same thing. A friend of mine actually was allowed to hang from one of those arms on a bet….

  • Clarendude

    I have a friend who worked as a bouncer. He was 6-3, 250 and was a Aikido black belt. The nicest guy you ever met, didn’t drink and had to deal with all these drunkards. Aikido is a good martial art for bouncers as it is all about using the opponent’s momentum against them – and drunks have lots of momentum.

    • CW

      And also, the drunk has to take the first shot in escalating it to the realm of physical violence.

  • ABC

    ArlNow please update us when the full story comes out. If the bouncer just hit the guy because he was arguing then the bouncer should be thrown in jail.

  • ArlForester

    I was sent this picture Saturday night. I didn’t realize he was laying there injured. I assumed it was a drunk who passed out. Now I feel bad for laughing at it.
    I have bounced before and the last thing a bouncer should do is initiate a confrontation. We had a no fighting policy and that included the workers.

    • Grammar Police

      Lying there, not laying there.

      • Douche Police


        • Grammar Police

          You’re welcome.

  • TGEoA

    Patrick Swayze would have been nice.

  • Burger

    Dalton: All you have to do is follow three simple rules. One, never underestimate your opponent. Expect the unexpected. Two, take it outside. Never start anything inside the bar unless it’s absolutely necessary. And three, be nice.

    Dalton: If somebody gets in your face and calls you a C***R, I want you to be nice. Ask him to walk. Be nice. If he won’t walk, walk him. But be nice. If you can’t walk him, one of the others will help you, and you’ll both be nice. I want you to remember that it’s a job. It’s nothing personal.

    Dalton: I want you to be nice until it’s time to not be nice.

  • James

    Brown Belt…Black Shoes. This was provoked.

    • ABC

      Nice making light of someone seriously injured. Hopefully someone beats your head in sometime soon.

      • JamesE

        Serious internet business

    • ArlForester

      I lol’d.

      • James

        I think ABC is the bouncer. Watch out for that guy.

  • good read: …The authority of a bouncer, in most cases, is the same as any ordinary citizen. Bouncers have no special authority to physically eject a customer who merely becomes intoxicated or verbally obnoxious. As an employee of the nightclub, bouncers can only demand that the undesirable customer leave. If the customer refuses to leave your only legal recourse, in most cases, is to call the police…

    • Southeast Jerome

      yeah except all the bouncers have roid-rage and are looking for fights.

  • oh that is scary. Hope the guy is OK.

  • Bard

    In my experience, the bouncers at Whitlows are not a-holes and aren’t looking for a power trip. I don’t know what happened in this instance, but I’m not going to blame them without knowing all of the facts.

  • Me

    Always be wary of anyone on a power trip, be it cops, military, bouncers, etc. Thank them for their time and move away. Not worth whatever the consequences are, just take a look at this poor guy.

  • Josh

    This reminds me of last year when a Whitlows bouncer, won’t name who, threw a customer through the glass door that is inside by the hostess table. Yes, completely through it.

    Anyone know what happened with that?

    • Josh

      Make that within the last 2 years when it happened

    • doodly

      Would like to see some documentation for that before I believe it.

      • Josh

        I love going to Whitlows as much as the next person, but this did happen. I was with my new roommate at the time and neither could believe it just happened. The guy kept screaming he was going to sue as he was bleeding.

        It’s gotta be documented in some kind of police report somewhere.

  • CM

    Living in Lyon Village, we confront these drunk patrons almost every night. They have no scruples about anything at all while stumbling through the residential streets (where families with children are sleeping at 2:00 am). I can sort of picture how this went down since we’ve had fights on our street where drunk patrons fell and injured themselves because they were drunk. Don’t know all the facts but I’d reserve judgement on the bouncer until we know what really caused the guy to fall on his head.

    • CW

      “From the windows of our marble palace, we have seen a number of proletarians desecrating our fine abode with their petty shenanigans.”

      I also like it when people make statements about reserving judgement and then proceed, in the same breath, to blatantly judge the other party involved.

      • Southeast Jerome

        CW: mentioned above this occured at 9:00 not 2:00 am. But almost.

        • CW

          WTH are you referring to? I said nothing of time; only mocked Lyon Village snobbery.

          • Rosslynite

            Let he or she who has drunks routinely urinating and vomiting on their front lawn cast the first stone.

          • CW

            Never went to college then, I assume?

          • Maria

            He probably meant to say that to CM, not CW.

    • Hattie McDaniel

      Think of the children!

      • Josh S

        Sorry, FAIL for not including the picture…..

  • Derp

    Anyone else not surprised that someone was eventually hurt by the bouncers at Clarendon bars? I understand they put up with a lot of drunken idiots but most of the bouncers i’ve seen in the area recently are total meathead dicks themselves.

    I would have to think the liability for the actions of this bouncer goes beyond him personally to the management and ownership of the establishment…They’re responsible for putting in place policies, procedures and training to prevent this from occurring, and they obviously failed at it which could prove quite costly if this guy did suffer any serious brain injuries.

  • DaveinSA

    The PD needs to take a hard look at this. Bouncers are NOT badged enforcers of the law. This very scary. Clarendon is off my social sked.

  • Suburban Not Urban

    Great recipe for a community – build lots of high rises – stuff lots of people in them and raise the retail rents so high that the only business that can make money is alcohol retail. Anacostia 2 here we come.

    • SoCo Resident

      You are absolutely correct. Keep on dispensing more and more liquor licenses in “The Corridor” and you will have more and more trouble. This has been experienced over and over again in many metropolitan areas.

      • ArlForester

        Yeah but the problem is there aren’t that many issues in Clarendon and it is a safe place to go out.

        • V Dizzle

          Agreed. One incident (or 2 or 3) does not signify a trend, nor, in this case, an unsafe bar, much less an unsafe neighborhood. As much as reading the panicky and prejudicial comments is entertaining, most of them have not been thought through. I’m not even a fan of Whitlow’s, but why not wait for some real information before condemning the place or moving to Reston, or wherever people go that say things like “Back in my day things were better around here, blah blah blah. There are too many states these days, blah blah.”

          • SamsontheCat

            Whitlows is most dangerous during brunch hours. Strolling down Wilson the other weekend, didn’t even see the stampede coming. So many brown flip-flops…so many. Barely survived.

          • victim

            I was run over by a stroller!

    • Josh S

      You know, I’ve been in Anacostia once or twice and I don’t remember seeing any high rises. At all. And something tells me retail rent is probably on the low side of average for the DC metro area.

      The comparison, in other words, is without merit. And I think that Clarendon has several non-alcohol-related establishments that are doing quite well. For example – cupcakes. And that retail establishment with the piece of fruit on the side – it always seems to be doing a bangup business. Etc.

    • Just the Facts

      Yeah, because Anacostia was JUST like Clarendon before it went to hell in a handbasket. Great analysis…

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  • SoCo Resident

    Whitlow’s owns a house in the 700 block of Cleveland St, often “rented” to its bouncers. Of course, its the loudest and most poorly kept house on the block. A few years ago a really out of control party went on til dawn there with loud screaming, and a young female attendee was found dead in a swimming pool about a mile away. And, who was in attendance at this out-of- control, wake-the-neighbors party that night: Arlington Police friends of the Whitlow’s bouncers.

    • Danville Mayor

      Then call the police. And when they show up, go outside and talk to them. And then call the Chief in the morning and then call Whitlows. Don’t tolerate that kind of nuisance.

      Trust me, even if they are friends of the Police, the Chief would hate having that kind of call. And his officers would be put on notice.

      • cmon now

        Yeah. And be sure to leave your full name and address so they can locate you.

        • CW

          lol, +1. When the cops are out partying with a bunch of 300-pound goons and are keeping your little ones up at night, just call the cops. Chief Scott will ride in on a rainbow-colored unicorn, flanked by Zimmerman and Favola, and everything will instantly be all better. He will put his officers “on notice” and you will never have a problem again. Especially since I’m sure the owner of Whitlow’s has ZERO influence with the powers that be in the county anyhow…

          • doodly

            So now there’s a massive conspiracy?

            Come on, people.

          • CW

            Massive conspiracy? No, a witness (neighbor), said that the Whitlow’s bouncers party with officers regularly. It’s not a conspiracy to think that they’re going to look out for each other.

            What is stupid is when people think that the system is going to protect them. Yes, just tell mommy about the bad men and she will make it all better. That’s not always how the real world works, even in a place as progressive as arlington.

          • doodly

            You forgot the conspiracy where the owner of Whitlows can influence the county government and prevent enforcement of the law. That was the best part.

          • CW

            Ok, so we’re talking about a big bar, probably the biggest bar and thus the biggest generator of revenue, in the area. The owners employ bouncers, which have been seen according to firsthand witness reports (or, as you will call them, “unsubstantiated rumors”) socializing extensively with local law enforcement officers. Said bar is a hotspot for law enforcement activity on weekends and you don’t think that the owners/managers have any communication or “working relationship” with said LEOs? You’ve seriously never seen a cop look the other way for a buddy? And you’ve never seen a very popular local business get favors, such as, say, expedited construction permits?

            I’m not saying that is what happened here. I agree that we’re getting off track. Nothing about the original story implies that the cops are in bed with Whitlow’s security. Someone else brought up that story and we digressed.

          • doodly

            You implied that the owners of Whitlows could call someone at the senior levels of government and get the police to lay off enforcement of the law. That’s a serious accusation. And it was you who said it.

            Never mind.

          • CW

            The part about Scott, Zimmerman, and Favola was clearly a joke. It was joking referring to what would happen if someone called the POLICE about a disruption being caused by POLICE partying across the street.

            That was completely unrelated to the part where I said “I’m sure the owner of Whitlow’s has ZERO influence with the powers that be in the county”, which is what you’re choosing to call an “accusation”. I never said anything about them calling someone at senior levels of government. I implied that they might have some sway. Seriously, you’ve never dealt with local politics? Profitable local businesses are the most powerful entities in just about any municipality or county. Anyhow, stop putting words in other people’s mouths.

          • Josh S

            Actually, I don’t think he said anything at all about “regularly.” It was “several years ago” there was this one party and supposedly there were police there. According to him.

          • doodly

            Hint: when you’re joking, make sure it’s clear, for your own benefit.

          • Lou

            You believe in unicorns. How cute.

          • CW

            Yeah, sorry, I’ll clarify my future unicorn and rainbow references.

      • same story

        Had a similar experience a few years ago… police as guests at a neighbor’s party. They greeted the officers who arrived when called and then the officers left. Literally hundreds of people, loud music, people all over our yard. Never so frustrated to see police look the other way in my life… drunks were everywhere.

        • Just the Facts

          Call the non-emergency number and ask for a supervisor to respond. Then watch all the drunk off-duty officers sheepishly slink out the side door…

    • doodly

      Wow, lots of unsubstantiated stories and rumors on this thread.

      I’m not saying it didn’t happen, but I’m not going to believe it without proof.

      • CW

        I mean, I think that a lot of those “unsubstantiated stories and rumors” are based upon statements used in the same sentences as “according to the police report” and “the police report suggests”. I’ve not seen anything that’s too much of a stretch.

        • cmon now

          Tell it like it is brother (or sister)!

          BTW CW, thanks for “Hellcats”. Great show 🙂

          • V Dizzle

            The police gave me the herpes, “according to the police report”.

        • doodly

          But there aren’t any police reports here. If there were, they wouldn’t be “unsubstantiated stories and rumors” any more.

          And plausibility doesn’t make something true either.

          • CW

            Well, I was under the understanding that someone writing the article must have seen the police report, as opposed to just making things up and attributing them to the police. If you’re going to assume that the editor of ARLnow just lies and makes things up and attributes them to the police when they are unsubstantiated rumors, then why are you spending time on this site?

            ARLnow, care to clarify your sources so mr doodly and all his other names he uses doesn’t continue to accuse you of making things up?

          • doodly

            Oh, wait, you thought I was talking about the ArlNow story?

            No, I was talking about the stories in the comments about big parties and dead girls in pools and all that. Sorry for the confusion.

          • CW

            Ok, well next time you start a new root thread, be more careful with your pronoun choice. When you said “I’m not saying it didn’t happen, but I’m not going to believe it without proof”, most people would believe that “it” is the story relayed in the original article. Since your comment was a new thread, and new threads are implicitly in response to the article (as opposed to replies to other commenters, which are generated using “reply”), readers would be forced to assume that the “it” is the “it” from the article given the lack of other evidence, e.g. nouns.

          • V Dizzle

            I understood what you were referring to.

          • doodly

            I said “lots” and “this thread.” I thought it was clear I meant the comments, not the story. Now you know.

          • The info in the article comes from the police PIO, who got her information from the police report.

          • SoCo Resident

            The Washington Post reported the story of the dead girl found in the swimming pool; she had attended the all night noisy, screaming party at the “Whitlow’s Bouncers House” in the 700/800 block of Cleveland St. This was not made up and verified by the detective assigned to this case.. Neighbors saw Arlington police there. Neighbors have called repeatedly over the years and neighbors have actually sold and moved from that street because of that party house. The point is that there there is Whitlow’s-connected trouble, injury and even death, in Lyon Park and Lyon Village, not just within Whitlow’s walls. It is certainly time to revoke their liquor license.

          • SoCo Resident

            Thank you ARLNOW for finding the police release about this young girl’s death, and substantiating my story which some want to doubt.

            All of the neighborhood remember the screaming from the Whitlow Bouncer House on N. Cleveland St. that horrible night. But, the parties continue there. The Cahills have acted irresponsibly with their bar and their properties.

          • Lou

            It’s kind of odd that the police report says “accidental drowning”. Wouldn’t “suspicious” be more appropriate?

          • doodly

            SoCo Resident:

            I never said your story was false, just that I wasn’t going to accept it without evidence.


            Thanks for the evidence.

  • Black Flag

    You can’t bring your drink outside. That’s not that hard to understand.

  • Mead

    It’s not just a question of throwing them out or enforcing the rules, it’s a liability issue.

    It’s also a liability issue when said ‘enforcer’ assaults somebody. Being a Bouncer doesn’t give one carte blanche to beat somebody up.

  • Charles

    It’s been at least 10 years since I was at Whitlow’s and now I think I shall not go back for at least another 10.

  • Westover

    The Cahill’s have been great pillars in our community. I have been going to Whitlow’s since the place was downtown and my grandmother was babysitting me as a little tyke. It is a very well run establishment that does a good job at being both a good family spot and a great watering hole. I know many people who have met their spouses there. I have been personal friends with some of the bouncers over the years. Anyone that allows this one seemingly isolated incident to keep them away from such a great DC/Arlington tradition of a Bar & Grill really needs to re-evaluate their fears in life.

    • SoCo Resident

      The Cahills are in no way “pillars of the community.” Just hang around the ill-kept mustard color “Whitlow’s Bouncers House” in the 700/800 block of N. Cleveland. Just try to get some sleep near this house. The Cahills have repeatedly ignored requests to quiet this house down. People have been forced to sell their houses and move because of the raucous behavior there. And, a young girl died myteriously after a night of screaming partiers there. The Cahills are NOT pillars of the community. Sadly, they make money in Arlington.

      • Westover

        Sorry, but quieting down renters has never been a landlord’s responsibility. Have a problem with noise, call the cops. It takes a lot before a landlord can be civily held responsible for nuisance. That young girls death was a tragedy, no doubt about it, but it was also determined to have been an accidental drowning, not much chance folks would take a girl a mile away from their home to go for a skinny dip, so the chance that any of the renters were there when she died is slim. Anyone who has moved onto that street in the last 20 years knew what they were moving into, an area that is probably 30-40% group houses filled with partying 20-30 year olds. Anyone that sold or moved out due to the noise did so to go to a retirement home or because they grew out of that scene.

        The Cahills provide a ton of support to our community, they hire local folks in the resturant, they sponser little league and other area sports, and they raised some really good kids who have in turn opened their own businesses in Arlington providing further employment opportunities and tax revenue for the residents of Arlington County.

  • who is the real d-bag?

    I have lost count of the number of instances with the short little michael clarke muchkin bouncer at whitlows. just this last friday night he verbally assaulted me and got in my face. well, got in my armpit. i wish i could give a reason, but there was none.

    i was not drinking or being rude. just minding my own business. i am officially done with whitlows.


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