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Cigarette-Smoking Duo Keeping Clarendon Classy on NYE

by ARLnow.com — January 4, 2011 at 2:13 pm 5,028 143 Comments

Via YouTube user NovaPJ comes the following video, which purports to show the aftermath of some sort of New Year’s Eve incident at Mister Days in Clarendon.

Officers in the video are shown talking with two young, cigarette-smoking men who seem upset about something that happened in the bar.

The cops apparently weren’t giving the men whatever resolution they were seeking. Instead, one officer encouraged them to “go home and sober up.” That led to the following exchange at 1:40 in the video.

Smoking Guys (starting to walk away): F— you. You did a hell of a job, D.C.’s finest. F—ing cops.

Female Officer: Have a good night.

Smoking Guys: Go to hell. F— you. Go f— yourself. C–t! You stupid bitches!

It’s at that point that one of the pair threw his lit cigarette at the officers. Needless to say, the dynamic duo walked about half a block before having the cuffs slapped on ‘em.

See a longer version of the video here. Obviously, you won’t want to play it at work with the sound up.

  • Arrrrrlington

    I have to give these cops a lot of credit for handling these drunkards so calmly. The cops gave the guys the option to just go home and sober up. This video seems like the dudes just couldn’t handle their Red Bull and Vodkas that evening. To the Arrrrlingon Police, please keep up the good work.

    • R.Griffon

      I thought the cops showed superb professionalism and restraint. I love it when a good drunk gets his (or her) come uppance, but seeing it happen to such a pair of self-entitled D-bags with no sense of common courtesy is all the better.

      Shame they didn’t “trip” on their way to being cuffed.

      +1 ACPD

    • NPGMBR

      Kudos to Arlington’s Finest. I would NEVER have been able to withstand those insults that way they did. I also like that they give these idiots more than one opportunity to shut-up and go home before they finally put the brakes on them.

    • Darwin

      +1 ACPD! These guys really are the most professional police force I have seen!

    • SoCo Resident

      The officers themselves behaved professionally, but it could have been another more harmful object hurled by this enraged drunk and they could have been hurt or worse. It is a crime to be drunk in public and Arlington used to enforce it thoroughly. However, the bar-friendly Arlington government wants drunks on the streets for the $$$ it generates, and it doesn’t want to offend bar owners, of course. These guys were probably on their way to jump into their motor vehicle as the cops were so kind to them. Time for zero tolerence on public drunkedness – to protect officers, citizens, property and the area’s reputation. We are sliding downward, time to put the brakes on.

      • Lou

        They are starting to put on the brakes, and they talked about it in the New Year’s Day meeting. They are going to start inspections of some of the larger drinking venues in conjunction with the Fire Marshal, which could mean occupancy limit enforcement.

  • Clarendip

    Video keeps stopping and starting.

    “DC’s finest”–haha, idiot.

    • Eponymous Coward

      Officers on the New Year’s Eve shift must see a long string of class acts.

      DC’s finest, indeed. Maybe the ACPD arrested him just to explain the 1847 retrocession.

      • Arlington, Northside

        All these transplants and out of town visitors… I can just see this kid losing out on his acceptance to the Bar with an assault on an officer charge on his record! Not to make this a class-warfare thing, but he just looks like the typical law school student on daddy dime type.

        • Catzmaw

          Phew, and here I thought I was probably the only one picking up on a certain self-important law student vibe, possibly first years. I’m hoping second year students would have enough sense not to think they can get by with throwing cigarettes at and cursing cops. “DC’s finest”?? I’m thinking maybe they’re Georgetown or American U. law students, but leaning Georgetown. Couple of nitwits.

      • mehoo

        His punishment could be to write a 5,000-word essay on the retrocession.

        • Arlington, Northside

          He assaulted a cop, how about 5000 hours of cleaning cop cars in the jail garage? A girl cop at that!

          • mehoo

            Yeah, that too.

      • Partly Cloudly

        Do they get 1.5 or 2x pay for holiday shift?

        Might be worth it…

      • Terry

        “DC’s finest, indeed. Maybe the ACPD arrested him just to explain the 1847 retrocession.”

        HAHAHA, that’s really funny.

        • http://www.youtube.com/novapj (NoVaPJ)

          I like that, while filming i was just shaking my head at them saying DC’s Finest!

          • Catzmaw

            Maybe they’re related to the morons who placed Dulles Airport in DC in Die Hard 2, in which we see cops dressed in DC Metro Cop uniforms and talking like New York cops (huh?) messing with Bruce Willis. Or perhaps they’re the offspring of any number of news outlet producers who usually lead off their commemoration of 9/11 by telling about the plane hitting the Pentagon “in DC”.

            We should probably have a contest on this site some day to see who can find the most placements of Arlington in DC in movies and TV shows.

          • mehoo

            That contest would be entertaining, at least for us.

            On the other hand, I once heard someone standing on the Virginia end of the Memorial Bridge saying he was in Arlington, when he was really still in the District – the bridge lands on a narrow island (called Columbia Island) and the border is on the river shoreline to the west. That’s why the waterway to the west is called “Boundary Channel.”

  • Clarendon Blues

    How about a link to the police report?

    Now are YouTube recording admissible in court? ;)

    • http://www.youtube.com/novapj (NoVaPJ)

      Both lawyers and victims have emailed me for copies of my youtube footage, ACPD has also used my youtube footage in court.

  • mehoo

    Always fun to watch obnoxious hipster dooshbags get dinged.

    • JD32

      Hahaha. Hipsters don’t hang out at Mr Days in Clarendon.

      • mehoo

        Good point. Except they look a little like hipsters in the dark. Hipster poseurs? Poseur hipsters? Yuppie hipsters? Yuppie poseur dooshes? Help me out.

        • david

          I think the answer is all of the above.

        • The Pope of South Arlington

          The word is NERD

          • mehoo

            Then it’s settled. Hipsteryuppiedooshnerdposeur.

          • jake

            “Yupsters” – Yuppie wannabe hipsters

        • lala

          How about: guysthatcantgetlaid?

          • Man in the Mirror

            That’s the moniker!

  • http://thegreenmiles.blogspot.com TheGreenMiles

    I second Clarendon Blues, we need names of these hipster douches!

    • mehoo

      There are no crime reports for Jan. 1 (or 2) on the ACPD website. Must be still filling them in after a busy night. For now, I’ll name them Hipster McDooshy and Doosh E. Hipster.

  • Dog Lover

    Their parents must be so proud.

  • mrlogical

    Glad to see the cops being professional and maintaining their cool throughout. Keep up the good work.

  • NorthAdams

    ohhh it has all been said.
    ACPD point.
    Arlington (not DC) taxpayer: Proud.

  • Shan L

    I normally stay clear of the fuzz. However, I must give these two cops major props on handling these two, super skinny, wimpy, idiots!! My 95 yr old grandma could take these pussies out! They deserved nothing less than a billy club upside the head and a taser shoved up the ass!!

    • mehoo

      Um, yeah.

  • bennynojets

    I haven’t had the opportunity to view the video yet becasue of the NSFW tag, but I would probably have to argue that these are plain douches as hipster douches would not be caught dead at Mister Days.

    • Eponymous Coward

      Indeed. I’m going on record saying that some commenters clearly do not understand what the term “hipster” refers to.

      On the other hand, everyone seems to have demonstrated a excellent grasp of how to deploy “douche.” On this count, high marks all around!

    • BrownFlipFlops

      It’s a side effect of how played out the hipster meme is. Maybe it’s more accurate to say these two idiots adopted hipster affectations. Black plastic glasses. Scrawny beards. Skinny jeans. Hoodies. American Spirit (?) cigs, barely inhaled. I guess the uniform has gone so mainstream that you can’t separate the arty bohemians from the dudes who choose to do NYE at Mr. Day’s anymore.

      • mehoo

        I applied the term based on their appearance. I think it fits, though they’re not the hippest of hipsters. But yeah, being at Mr. Day’s seriously undermines their hipster status.

      • Lou

        I looked through my Field Guide to North American Hipsters, and these guys seem to fit the genus.

        • mehoo

          They’ve flown out of their range though.

      • Eponymous Coward

        [] The hipster is someone who exists in a subculture you cannot inhabit. He fetishizes bands that can’t fill the 9:30 Club, and, should they ever do so, he discards them for having gone corporate. He wore skinny jeans only until Paris Hilton discovered them, at which point he developed a taste for velvet pants, or whatever he thinks we’re least likely to wear. He rides a fixie (low maintenance, natch) to some obscure international grocery store you’ve never heard of, at least for as long as you don’t know what a fixie is, and you don’t show up there to buy quinoa. He was only vegan for as long as it was inconvenient for the chef. He hangs out not at Mr. Days but at remote taverns that he reveres for some ephemeral ‘authenticity’ that we can’t see because it vanished when we walked in the door. The hipster isn’t about plastic glasses, or poorly tailored pants, or (gasp) hoodies. He’s about co-opting something obscure that he doesn’t necessarily understand or care for, but which serves to distinguish him from everyone else. The only thing that will distinguish this fellow is that his arrest record with bear the legend, ‘assault with lighted tobacco product.” []

        • Lou

          I bet they were pissed that Days wasn’t serving PBR. Or maybe that everybody inside was already drinking PBR. Now I’m confused.

        • Maria

          Perfect.

        • BrownFlipFlops

          Forceful, slow, Orson Welles theater clap.

        • Newbs

          +10 interwebs

      • mehoo

        Aren’t ALL hipsters simply people who adopted hipster affectations? If you wear hipster duds, you’re a hipsters, just like if you put on a clown suit, you’re a clown.

  • BrownFlipFlops

    They were given chance after chance to exercise their right to remain silent. They foolishly chose not to take advantage of those chances. I bet that entitled attitude wore off a little bit down at the County Detention Facility. I hope, so, anyway.

    The conduct of the officers during that incident makes me proud to live in Arlington. Those two guys are EXACTLY the kind of people who stir up trouble, and then file lawsuits against everyone near their tantrum. I’d love to see a judge in a pre-trail hearing for some hypothetical future lawsuit laugh them out of the room. Heck – I’d love to see a county attorney laugh in their faces during an attempt to settle, before it even got that far.

    There are several nearby jurisdictions where Cigarette Boy would have been flopping around on the cold sidewalk, animated only by the herky-jerky rhythms of a taser. Once he threw that cigarette (tragically stupid weapons choice, btw), the police had every justification for taking off the gloves. He’s lucky they kept their cool, after so much abuse.

    • Arlington, Northside

      The video saved their sorry butts physically, while ensuring their doom legally.

      • BrownFlipFlops

        +1

    • Thes

      It appears from the police report that only one of them was ever booked, and then only on two misdemeanor charges — assaulting a bouncer and drunk in public. No charges filed for the assault (without battery) on the police officer with the butt. A model of restraint all around for Arlington’s law enforcement — keeping things orderly without resorting either to beatings or elevated charges. Well done.

      • mehoo

        Where’s the police report?

        Perhaps the arrest you’re looking at was an earlier one from the same incident.

        • Thes

          http://www.arlingtonva.us/departments/police/crimereport/ViewDetail.asp?report_index=1946&report_date=1/3/2011

          Only one arrest in that location all weekend fitting the description at Mr. Days’ address. The alternative is that neither of them were booked, I suppose.

          • Dude Where’s My Car

            Yikes! “On January 1 at 1:45 am, a group of six to nine females got into a mutually combative fight at a hotel.” Why isn’t there a YouTube video of that instead of douchebags flipping cigarette butts? :-D

          • mehoo

            Maybe they were taken to DC jail, since they thought they were in DC.

      • http://www.youtube.com/novapj (NoVaPJ)

        They can be charged as Peeping Toms or whatever that crime is that still to this day confuses me, even I’m not sure of the actual charge but then again i dont know the entire story but from what was being relayed to the cops from the bouncers is that atleast one of them and i believe the same one flicking the ciggy that he was pulled out of the ladies room for harassing girls in there. Privacy is more or less a cvil matter but you do have peeping tom charges( and i use that term because its also used in ACPD reporting) even not looking in on someone, still in a girls restroom you can be charged or atleast sued for violations of Peeping Tom,Sexual Harrassment, Sexual Battery and possible Sexual Assault, all it takes is yelling at a female in a restroom or even getting in their way pysically (not gonna get into other things, not going near actual rape or groping) but just being there and not leaving on your own will get you in big time trouble if woman persues criminal charges or sues out of privacy violations. From what I gathered, multple bouncers were struggling to get people out of the bathroom,out of the bar and onto the street where police were waiting.

  • SoCo Resident

    Keep on giving out more and more liquor licenses in a concentrated area and “Pro-business” Arlington will have more and more incidents like this. Guess who you attract?

    • Arlington, Northside

      It was New Years Eve. They have the same problem in Salt Lake City, Utah on New Years Eve. Amish enclaves have the same problem on New Years Eve!

    • mehoo

      So clamping down on liquor licenses would be pro-business?

      • http://thegreenmiles.blogspot.com TheGreenMiles

        If alcohol is outlawed, outlaws like these guys will still be drunk.

  • The Pope of South Arlington

    I’m kinda sweet on that chick cop with her Pat Benatar Shag and the way she was smackin that gum a million miles an hour! Somebody should of just smacked that nerds glasses off, turned him around and given him a wedgie.

    • charlie

      +10

    • mehoo

      Why so mad? Those nerds weren’t Latino.

      • The Pope of South Arlington

        Stop sweatin’ me cupcake, people r gonna start talkin’ ;)

        • mehoo

          But I’m just standing up for my fellow nerd-hipsters. You tough guys might come up here from Southie and run over us on our bicycles and spill our lattes.

  • Shawn

    One question.
    Who was filming and what was the legality of them posting it? I am all for freedom of leaks, but the police didn’t see that as detrimental to what was happening? Can you film cops arresting people without issue? And what of the hipsters? Were their rights violated in the filming of the arrest? Again, not taking any sides here, but I have no idea how that all works.

    • R.Griffon

      You have no expectation of privacy in a public space. Film your heart out (as long as you don’t get in the cops’ way).

    • BrownFlipFlops

      This is a real can of worms, and could devolve into a flame war, but I’ll post anyway. Photography in public is legal. Police are not supposed to stop you, and the suspects had no expectations of privacy on that sidewalk. There’s a document called, “The Photographer’s Bill of Rights,” you can view here:

      http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm

      For even more information, there’s a blog called, “Photography Is Not a Crime,” that specializes in this question. In the real world, you could get charged with, “interfering with police …,” but you’d probably be exonerated after a legal fight.

      Thankfully, it looks like ACPD knows the law, and, from this incident, appears to have a policy of leaving photographers alone.

      • Arlington, Northside

        Actually that is an explanation of rights, not a Bill of Rights. Just to be technical.

        • BrownFlipFlops

          I’m just using the name the author gave it to give him proper attribution.

          • BrownFlipFlops

            Uh, whoops. That’s not what he calls it. You’re right.

      • Lou

        This guy is well known for being out in that area on Friday or Saturday nights filming police activity.

      • FireMarshalBill

        We all know NovaPJ. He has several video clips of ACPD and ACFD at work. We know he’s out there filming, and he has every right to be, so long as he doesn’t interfere with our work.

    • Brandon C

      Depends on the jurisdiction. Several states recently enacted a law that made it illegal to videotape police, but it’s being contested in courts (it’s likely to be struck down as unconstitutional).

      I’d say film to your heart’s content so you can be an agent of free speech, but in doing so, you invariably put yourself at risk, no matter what the Constitution says. We’re only as good a society as how well we enforce our own laws.

    • SoCo Resident

      Recording their voices — without their knowledge — is illegal under federal law I belief.

      • http://www.youtube.com/novapj (NoVaPJ)

        your statement is ridiculous!

        • mehoo

          Nope – wiretapping laws say you can’t record audio without their knowledge. It doesn’t cover video images because it was intended for phone conversations (hence “wiretapping.”) Prosecutors have used this law against videotapers. Some guy in Maryland was charged when he taped a cop stopping him on his motorcycle last year, though he was acquitted because the judge said police have no expectation of privacy in their official duties. Don’t know the details or whether this is a big problem, or the law in Virginia, but it can happen. There could be all kinds of civil lawsuits generated too.

          You should watch out for this, PJ, it could be a problem for you someday.

          • Arlington, Northside

            PJ is covered.

          • mehoo

            I don’t think PJ is doing anything illegal. I’m saying he could still end up with a big fat bill from a lawyer for defending himself.

        • SoCo Resident

          NoVaPJ should not post until examining the issue. As I stated, its the voice recording that is probably federally prohibited. The other poster makes that clear. NoVaPJ is uninformed.

      • Arlington, Northside

        Not federal law, but there are some local/state laws out there that keep you from recording phone calls without letting folks know. It does not apply to filming in public, and by the act of them seeing the camera they are informed of the recording.

  • Brandon C

    Hate DC Cops, Hate Fairfax Cops – LOVE Arlington Cops.

    1. Got pulled over once for expired tags. Cop gave me a ticket, but also the name & number of the person in the County Govt.’s office that could waive the ticket if I got my registration updated.
    2. Got a ticket ripped up because it was my birthday after making an illegal U-turn in Crystal City.
    3. Several minor instances where the officers always were more concerned with the welfare of Arlington citizens than anything else and were professional even when confronting asshats like these guys.

    Kudos to you, ACPD!

    • Not Larry Sabato

      Brandon, I have had the same good experiences with Arlington Police.

  • Newt

    Good job ACPD! I forgive you for my parking ticket and I will never use your name in VAIN again.

  • Carol

    Im pretty sure they werent allowed inside Mister Days because of the dress code and because they were already intoxicated. If they were that rude to the Police think how rude they were to the bouncer.
    Kudos for the Arlington County Police for being so patient and dealing with these types of people.

    • The Pope of South Arlington

      What’s the dress code, NASCAR?

  • http://twitter.com/ClarendonBlvd ClarendonBlvd

    There could have been two more guys entering the annual Stolen Golf Cart race on I-66! Allegedly the winner was a non-smoker.

  • SoCo Resident

    These are the kind of drunks that push the tombstones over in the block next to Mr. Days. Also, the reason why there are cops with assault rifles at the Olmsted Buidling.

    • Man in the Mirror

      Ah, no, the assault rifles at the Olmstead are due to a certain tenant, which is leaving for Ffx Cnty. Bye bye automatic weapons!

      • lala

        Yep, you are correct about that!

      • Darwin

        Except for the ones the Arlington Police carry in their cruisers…and all the ones at Ft. Myer…and the ones in the hands of private Arligton citizens that have taken the time to get the $200 ATF tax stamp to own them.

        • KalashniKEV

          I’m sure most of the board would be surprised how many “Stamp Collectors” there are in seemingly “Blue” Arlington… = )

          I got TWO for Christmas. 2010 was a great year!

          • Anon

            Nice! I’m assuming you’re talking NFA (i.e., Class III)-type weapons, not just standard semi-autos? What did you get, if you don’t mind my asking? Got the chance to shoot a few full-auto subguns (owned by a friend) back in the home state over the holiday break. Much more fun than my semi-auto AR-15A2!

  • DudeGuy

    That female ACPD Officer is hoooottt!

  • CoolOnKingSt

    These two were obviously hired actors paid by Mr Days bar to drum up business… the whole thing with the camera filming obviously staged and with cops neatly playing along.

    Obviously nothing this exciting could really happen in Arlington.

    • ARLk

      Exciting things happen on King Street? I had no idea.

  • Brad

    Not a fan of a lot of police officers (I’m a crim defense atty), but I give these two props for how they handled this situation. They could have DIP’ed those guys the minute they arrived. They also could have gone apeshit once the dude tossed the cig. And they could have overcharged with a felony APO. But they didn’t. Maybe they knew the camera was on, who knows, but either way, props to them.

    • Arlington, Northside

      I would not say that a charge of APO would be an overcharge, I would think it would fit this situation. Cops let you go and you throw something like a lit cigerette at them while using gender duragatory slurs? These two jerks got off WAY easy.

    • Confused

      Why don’t you like cops? They make you money. I hope you’re not a bottom feeder defense lawyer who thinks everyone is innocent.

  • Ultraman

    This would make a good “Cops” episode – “When Nerds Go Wild.” I thought the Redhead cop was hot. She can frisk me anytime ;-)

  • Arlwhenever

    Alexandria PD would have face planted those guys in an instant and the back-up would have arrived brandishing assault weapons, escalating the arrogance and disrespect of the snot noses into something that could have spiraled out of control. APD is congratulated for having a culture of service and talking it out — it starts at the top.

    • Arlington, Northside

      I disagree, Alexandria Cops are pretty much the same professionals as Arlington. DC and PG cops are the only ones in the area that I am concerned with dunken stupidity leading to Police Brutality.

    • Darwin

      So when Nancy Pelosi says stuff like “Assault weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets”, does she mean the police have to give up theirs if law abiding citizens do?

      • mehoo

        No.

        You can’t have a siren, badge, arrest powers, or go 90 on the streets either. Sorry.

        • KalashniKEV

          It sounds like you place the civil servants above the citizens themselves…

          • mehoo

            Yeah, I do think the police should have special powers and equipment that ordinary citizens can’t. Shocking.

            I believe in the right to bear arms by the way. Just not every arm. You also can’t have an Uzi, bazooka, or Howitzer either.

        • Darwin

          Having a siren, badge, arrest powers, or going 90 on the streets aren’t constitutional guarantees for me though.

          • mehoo

            Nor is an assault rifle, at least according to Pelosi. So your question about her statement is answered.

          • Darwin

            I didn’t know Pelosi had the final say on those things. Considering she is the one who said when speaking about the health care bill, “We have to pass it so we can read it!” that she hasn’t read the Bill of Rights either!

          • KalashniKEV

            RKBA was the second thing the founders were thinking about when they laid out the rights the citizens of this great nation were entitled to, and could not be taken away. It’s an essential part of our national identity, our cultural heritage, and American values.

            Also, I’m curious as to why you think an Uzi would be illegal. They’re actually quite common… in fact most of my friends own, or have owned an Uzi at one time or another.

            I think you need to open your mind and

          • mehoo

            I didn’t say Pelosi had the final say on things. All I did was answer the question.

          • mehoo

            Um, Kev, I said I wasn’t anti-gun. You’re still jerking that knee.

          • KalashniKEV

            Well you’re certainly well versed at using the vernacular of the anti-constitutionalists and you see no issue in spreading their lies, so in my eyes that makes you anti-gun.

            1) Assault Rifle- No such thing.
            2) Illegal Uzi- You can buy ‘em all day.

          • mehoo

            Well, no, Kev, you’re just jerking your knee. Read what I write, don’t read into it.

            Assault rifles – yeah, yeah, I know. But that was in the question I was responding to.

            Get over it.

            Uzis – it was just an example. There are arms you can own and arms you can’t. I don’t much care which is which, you can worry about that. I’m just stating a fact.

            Get over it.

          • KalashniKEV

            “Knee Jerk” implies reflex… I have a strong BS reflex in response to lies and misinformation, especially those which challenge or threaten the United States Constitution.

          • mehoo

            Hey, good for you. Let me know when someone does that.

    • KalashniKEV

      Disagree. We need to see more ACTIVE enforcement from ACPD. Policiing up this trash BEFORE the situation escalates is what police need to do- NOT operating in a passive or reactive mode.

      This means DIP arrest BEFORE assault occurs, Vagrancy arrests BEFORE robbery/ stabbing-to-death occurs, etc…

      • Arlington, Northside

        Sounds like you want Law and Order without giving the Law part the tools they need.

        • KalashniKEV

          Please elaborate, I’m interested to discuss this…

      • Darwin

        I know Minority Report was filmed in DC but we can’t have a “pre-crime” unit!

      • FireMarshalBill

        that might work well any other night. Most of the people outside at that time could be considered “DIP”. ACPD had their resources stretched too thin to justify taking an officer off the streets for over an hour to book a DIP. They gave these terds plenty of chances to just walk away, but apparently they had something to prove. I wish I knew what. Good job PD.

      • Just the Facts

        Ugh, nothing worse than a loudmouth who is absent the facts. There is no “vagrancy” crime in Arlington or Virginia codes.

        • KalashniKEV

          If there was it wouldn’t be enforced… just look at all of Tejada’s amigos running around driving drunk and worse.

          • mehoo

            Enough already.

  • G::NativeArlingtonian

    Its a shame that a nice area like Clarendon, with some history, good restaurants and such is turning slowly into a place for drunken dumba$$es with too much money and not enough brains. Clarendon is turning into the Georgetown of old, but since we are closer and have more parking, we are getting more idiots. I hope the county, business owners, and police work together to try to keep the right “vibe” of positive fun. I know there is a bad apple in every bunch…

    Kudos to the ACPD from me as well. Sounds like they handled themselves well (I haven’t watched the video and have no interest either). I’ve had some negative experiences with them in the past, but I think those are few and far between. Most of the officers are good people who work hard for all of us.

    • KalashniKEV

      You started off right, and then you went all dumb and crazy with your thinking.

      ACPD is operating in reactive mode. In order to get them to arrest you you have to break the law, act crazy, and then get crazier just to get their attention. More active community policing will show the trash that Clarendon is not a fun place to hang out b/c “they don’t play no BS there.”

      Passive enforcement works when your worst crime is DIP and the person committing it is a local ex-frat boy having his birthday party. When coupled with the county board’s anti-constitutional immigration policy and the Bum Invasion, passive enforcement is an invitation for MS-13 and other criminal elements to set up shop and take over.

      • mehoo

        Sure, Kev, gangs are poised to take over Clarendon because there are drunken (what’s the term? fratboys? hipsters? no, I remember – nerds!) walking around. Let drunken nerds flick cigs at cops, and next thing you know the gangs are doing drive-bys.

        • KalashniKEV

          I thought it should be obvious, but yes… this is how urban decline occurs. It starts with a little graffiti, then non-enforcement by local LEOs, then “victimless crimes” like drugs and prostitution, then violent crimes…

          • mehoo

            Yeah, I’m aware of the broken window theory, but the point is that the police ARE arresting people when they get too rowdy. They’re not letting it get to the point that the place becomes a haven for gangs. You’re making a slippery slope argument, which is a fallacy.

          • KalashniKEV

            The “broken window” theory is the slippery slope theory, nad I can assure you that it is definitely NOT a fallacy.

            The police are not performing in an active role, b/c they are only arresting those who go well beyond the threshold of the law.

          • Arlington, Northside

            ACPD’s gang unit is very proactive, not reactive. Drunk yuppies and college outside a bar are not going to lead to a deterioration of Clarendon. Heck, it would take a swarm of zombies and a few thousand tons of TNT to make the place back into what it was in the late 80′s.

          • mehoo

            Kev, stop messing with things you don’t understand, like logic.

            http://www.fallacyfiles.org/slipslop.html

      • Dude Where’s My Car

        You started off right, and then you went all Travis Bickle with your thinking. Unless by “set up shop” you were referring to cupcakes or artisinal pizza.

      • mehoo

        You feel the same way about the ATF (&E), Kev? Gotta clamp down before the crazies get out of hand.

        • KalashniKEV

          The BATFE is a whole ‘nother thing… it was intended at it’s very inception to be a kind of “American Gestapo” to deprive Americans of their God given rights and conduct paramilitary action against the citizenry.

          • Maria

            Just wondering: Why is owning guns a “God-given right” but being drunk in public isn’t?

          • KalashniKEV

            While owning and legally using a gun neither deprives anyone else of their rights or causes undue harm, Vagrancy and being Drunk-in-Public can be considered offensive, much in the same way smoking or indecent exposure is offensive. (though second hand smoke also causes harm)

          • Maria

            So if something offends some people, it can’t be a “right”? I find a lot of things people say to be exceptionally offensive, but don’t they have the “right” to say them? I’m not trying to be argumentative, but I’m really not following your logic.

            For the record, since it’s related to this conversation, I also find it “offensive” that average people (meaning not involved in a police force, military, or something of the sort) own anything other than guns for hunting, so how come my being offended doesn’t mean it should be outlawed? Also, even people legally using guns can inadvertently cause undue harm, so again… not following.

          • KalashniKEV

            It has to do with “reasonable expectations of a rational person.”

            It is reasonable that I can walk the streets of my town without encountering drunkards or otherwise intoxicated people staggering around like zombies.

            Hoplophobia (the irrational fear of weapons) is a personal issue, and (I’m not trying to offend) one you should seek help for. It’s actually promoted in our society by the mainstream media, much the same way as racism is kept alive.

          • Maria

            Okay, but “reasonable” and “rational” are relative terms. There are plenty of things that I consider reasonable that others find unreasonable/offensive and vice versa. These also seem like things separate from the God-given rights mentioned earlier, which was what I was asking about in the first place.

            Also, when did I say I have a fear of guns? I don’t fear them, but I’ve rarely heard anything good come of people having them, legal or not.

          • mehoo

            Thought so.

  • PCB

    1:55 FTW, what a tough guy

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