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Immigration Bill “Directly Targeted” at Arlington

by ARLnow.com — January 31, 2011 at 11:06 am 2,575 142 Comments

Another Fairfax County Republican is taking a legislative swipe at Arlington.

Del. Dave Albo has introduced a bill, HB 1421, that would prevent Virginia localities from restricting “the enforcement of federal immigration laws to less than the full extent permitted by federal law.” Any locality that does not comply with the order would risk losing state funding.

Ablo admitted that the bill is “directly targeted at Arlington,” according to a quote attributed to Arlington Del. Patrick Hope (D) by the Blue Virginia blog. Last year Arlington attempted, unsuccessfully, to opt-out of the federal Secure Communities immigration program.

Hope called another Albo-sponsored immigration bill — HB 1420, which would empower the Virginia State Police to enforce federal immigration law — an “Arizona-type proposal.”

Both bills have been approved in subcommittee and are now up for a vote by the full Courts of Justice Committee. Hope is a member of the committee and voted against the immigration bills in subcommittee last week.

“These proposals basically fall into two categories: bills that will add an undue burden and unfunded mandate on business and law enforcement, and the rest are just a meaningless restatement of federal immigration law,” Hope said in a statement this morning. “But what they all have in common is they are message bills. And that message is very simple: if you are an illegal immigrant, we don’t want you in Virginia.”

“The politics of blame is on full display this week in Virginia’s Capitol. Immigrants are to blame for Virginia’s poor economy, high unemployment, overcrowding in schools, and every other problem facing our Commonwealth,” Hope added. “I’m surprised they didn’t blame immigrants for last week’s snowfall. It’s a ridiculous blame game and is just plain wrong.”

Update at 4:05 p.m. – In a brief phone interview this afternoon, Albo refused to say that his bill is “targeting” Arlington, but he did say that Arlington’s effort to opt out of the Secure Communities program motivated him to introduce HB 1421.

Albo added that his goal is to expel every illegal alien from the state.

“In a perfect world, I would like to be able to kick out every single person who’s an illegal alien in Virginia,” Albo said, adding that doing so is difficult because “you can’t do it in a way that affects citizens and legal immigrants.”

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  • Bluemont John

    I’m a Democrat, and I have no problem with this. States and localities should not have the ability to get in the way of federal law enforcement. Back in the ’60s, states wanted to block enforcement of integration. Thankfully, federal law prevailed.

    We have to also keep in mind that your low-key illegal immigrant who does not commit crimes is not going to be in trouble with this law. It’s not like it mandates that the feds be more proactive–it just prevents Arlington from blocking them if they want to deport a murderer/rapist/burglar/drug dealer who is here illegally.

  • local

    Yeah, if you’re an illegal immigrant, we don’t want you in Virginia. That’s the definition of illegal immigrant! How is that controversial? It’s expected.

  • Lou

    “Immigrants are to blame for Virginia’s poor economy, high unemployment, overcrowding in schools, and every other problem facing our Commonwealth,” Hope added.

    got to love out-of-context quotes.

  • Rick

    Bills that will add an undue burden?

    It’s never not been illegal to hop the border, telling VSP to do something something in the scope of their work (law enforcement) isn’t difficut, and its why they get paid. I also think its funny that Arlington is now the illegal-hating capital of VA instead of Prince William

  • RJ

    I’m not sure if it’s just the limited context of the story, but I love how Del. Hope goes from “if you are an illegal immigrant, we don’t want you in Virgina,” to claiming a “blame game” on ALL immigrants. In my mind, THAT’S a racist perspective. Immigrants are great (my father is one), but illegal immigrants are not great. You’re expected to follow the law once you’re in the country, why are you not expected to follow the law to get INTO and STAY in the country?

    • DouroDouro

      Oh, please. Immigrants are of all different races, so how is that racist? Silly argument.

      And perhaps illegal immigrants would come legally if the system was reformed to allow for more realistic immigration. Who wouldn’t want to come to the U.S. legally? Why aren’t you simply OUTRAGED that more isn’t being done about that?

      • RJ

        My only point is that his tactic (also employed by others) seems to be to imply that people who are anti-ILLEGAL immigration are also anti-immigrant. The race factor is only slightly below the surface in this implication.

        There’s a lot about the Federal Government that outrages me.

        • DouroDouro

          Unfortunate as it is, what he says is TRUE. Immigrants in general (whether they are illegal or not) often tend to be blamed for a lot of things. I know plenty of legal immigrants who are told to “go back home” and much worse.

      • http://arlingtondirt.blogspot.com/ TGEoA

        And if “they” raised the speed limit to 150, I would never get a ticket.

        • DouroDouro

          Which is why I said REALISTIC, thanks.

      • R0bespierre

        Oh so it’s their job to stress test the effectiveness of our laws for us? The “our immigration laws are unfair/inefficient/etc” trite argument is way overused in this debate and it’s just a rationalization for selectively permitting the existence of an elite class of people who are above the law while the rest of us are expected to adhere to the laws of our country. When did doing illegal things become so hip with grown adults?

        Hey sorry about breaking into your store and stealing a coat, but your prices were too high and I was just trying to leave behavioral feedback on that issue!

        • DouroDouro

          If it’s overused, maybe it’s because it makes sense. The immigration system doesn’t just emcompass illegals, but also high-skilled workers with L-1, H-1B and EB visas. Educate yourself.

          • Real World Economics

            Yes, but those other foks HAVE VISAS allowing the to be here. The ILLEGAL aliens DO NOT. That is the issue that people want to ignore.

          • DouroDouro

            I’m not ignoring it – I’m simply talking about the larger scope of the immigration system which doesn’t allow for realistic amounts of immigration, both for highly-skilled workers as well as agricultural workers. Or perhaps you are too narrow-minded to see the larger picture.

  • deborah

    The voters need to get rid of ANY politician like this loser Hope. Any pol or cop who supports and protects illegals is no friend the legal citizens. Americans want our immigration laws enforced and illegals deported!

    • mehoo

      While I disagree with Patrick Hope on this issue, he’s one of the best people in the General Assembly and we should keep him.

      • http://arlingtondirt.blogspot.com/ TGEoA

        And your making this determination based on what? His limited experience?

      • KalashniKEV

        Hope is a “Good Idea Fairie” with destructive ideas and a sinister intent.

        • mehoo

          Don’t you ever get tired of ridiculous hyperbole?

          • KalashniKEV

            Don’t you ever want to denounce Evil and stand with the Good Guys?

          • mehoo

            I do, quite often.

            Patrick Hope is one of the most good guys I’ve ever known.

            Like I said, I disagree with him about this particular issue, but calling him “sinister” is loony. Turn off the am radio.

          • http://arlingtondirt.blogspot.com/ TGEoA

            Why don’t you two go grab a beer at Good Guys instead.

          • KalashniKEV

            Hahahaaha… I’ll keep it local and hit CCR. I support Arlington Business!!!

            (Plus DC is a cesspool…)

          • Burger

            Coming from you that is pretty funny.

    • DouroDouro

      Fortunately, you don’t speak for all Americans, Deborah Palin. Oops, you probably think that’s a compliment.

    • SouthArlJD

      Haven’t spent much time actually researching or thinking about this issue, have you? I’m sick to death of the simple-minded, moronic idea that there’s this easily identifiable group of people called “illegal aliens” which is just sitting around leaching off the citizenry and waiting to be picked up and deported. Stupid, stupid, stupid. People who lack proper documentation (which is what they actually are as opposed to “illegal” aliens) are very deeply intwined in our local economies and aggressive enforcement actually contributes to the stresses on our already struggling economy. It also is a drain on the budgets of our courts and local law enforcement officials. Dimwit Dave probably hasn’t paid attention at all to the very severe deleterious effects of his pal Corey Stewart’s push for overzealous enforcement created in Prince William County, including a much higher rate of foreclosure than in other localities and the destruction of numerous small businesses – quite a few of which were run by American born business people – because their markets dried up with all that overzealous enforcement.

      • KalashniKEV

        “People who lack proper documentation… are very deeply intwined in our local economies”

        And they put their families at risk each day that the sun rises on their sad lives of crime. People who do business with Criminal Aliens put themselves at risk by “intertwining” with a criminal element. There is only one path for a Criminal Alien- Pursuit, Detainment, Incarceration, Deporation. Adios!

      • R0bespierre

        Why do people insist on coloring this issue with dumb and transparent euphemisms? “Undocumented” implies that some American authority had the intent of tendering them legal papers but there was some kind of mixup or oversight.

        Maybe they should head on down to INS and get the whole thing straightened out. I am sure their papers are waiting there in someone’s inbox.

        • mehoo

          Actually, part of the reason is that not all illegals are just people who snuck over. Some came here legally and are trying to stay legal, but stuck in bureaucratic limbo. But I agree, it’s usually used as a euphemism.

          • KalashniKEV

            Without all the tapdancing, I think you mean to say- “They arrived here legally, and when their visa expired and it was time to go, they chose to become illegal”

            And so begins a life of crime…

            (I wonder if we could prove that choosing to become a Criminal Alien is a “gateway crime” that leads to property crime and then later violent crime?)

          • mehoo

            Sometimes, not always. Some of them are trying to renew their visas or whatever but are stuck. I know someone who came here and married a citizen and is stuck in that situation, waiting years to get her new papers processed. It takes forever after 9/11.

          • KalashniKEV

            A likely story. Who’s fault is it then?

          • Westover

            The messed up Immigration Policy that we have operated under for the last 45 years.

  • charlie

    is it beat up on Arlington year in Richmond.

    Personally I’m getting steamed that all this people can think of is that “GOOD POLICY” is telling others what to do. Arlington can do what it wants. If the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has a problem, well then they should do something.

    I guess a sign of our success is the insane amount of jealousy we are endearing in everyone. Go ahead, take your pock shots, we can take it.

    • Burger

      Actually, Arlington County can’t do anything it wants. It is called the Supremacy clause.

      • charlie

        True. The Supremacy Clause also states that State judges are required to uphold Federal Laws even when there is NO STATE LAW involved.
        So Albo is creating legislation that is not needed. Oh wait, could it probably just be posturing on his part? not that he is the first, mind you.

  • RJ

    @charlie
    I don’t like other people butting their nose in “our” business, but this delegate in Fairfax has a legitimate right to make sure that neighboring jurisdictions don’t take legislative action that could impact his own jurisdiction. Arlington can not “do what it wants.” It is not a sovereign state. It is a county, within a state, within a nation.

    And before you go patting yourself on the back, Arlington’s great quality of life has more to do with its proximity to the incessant spending of our Federal Government than with any inspired leadership on the part of our County Board members.

    • charlie

      RJ, you must be new. I seldom say anything good about our board. Unless it is brilliant sarcasm.

      As for the state enforcing federal law, that is pretty slippery. Isn’t this part of the argument in Arizona that the federal government isn’t doing their job so we will and etc?

      I just don’t like the paternalistic attitude of others when they go to Richmond. You know that Albo would be screaming if this was something about Arlington not liking about Fairfax. like a HOT lane project…

      politics is just getting worser and worser.

    • mehoo

      Arlington’s prosperity is due to alot of things, including the proximity to the capital and the wise use of that opportunity. Other jurisdictions in this area are close to DC but aren’t doing as well.

      • RJ

        I’m not new, it’s just that most of the content on ARLNow, while interesting, is not worth comment.

        Agreed on the state of politics in our country – it seems you have to be an extremist in order to make a statement.

        @meehoo – Fairfax and MoCo seem to be doing fairly well, despite dealing with much larger geography and population.

        • mehoo

          Like I said, some are doing well, some aren’t. You can’t chalk it up only to proximity to DC.

        • AllenB

          Montgomery County is in horrible shape, budget wise. They’re facing a huge budget deficit in this fiscal year and next. They are not doing well financially, at all.

  • JP

    Just to make sure I understand correctly. Virginia Republicans are introducing a bill that would prevent Virginia localities from restricting the enforcement of a federal law to less than the full extent permitted by federal law.

    For a party that has preached about smaller government, it seems like an interesting way to go about things.

    • teabagger

      Get the federal gub’mint out of our affairs! Nullification!

    • Burger

      You can’t trump federal law. This isn’t about more localized government trying to educate your kids to see what works best. This is about Arlington County picking and choosing which laws it wants to follow. Immigration policy isn’t set by an individual county, which is what Arlington County wants to do, but legislated by the federal government.

      I’m actually pro-immigration and think we should just go back to the late 19th century with an Ellis Island type approach. Get everyone into the system to pay taxes and stop the abuse of illegal immigrants on a personal and business level.

      • An Area Employer

        Illegals are hired for jobs b/c you don’t have to pay FICA, FUTA, and SUTA on wages that you don’t report. If you make them all legal, then you are addressing the symptom and not the illness. I’d start with business tax reform first to address this issue, then worry about amnesty.

        Also, Albo is a tuffgai-on-crime who never saw a big-government/anti-business regulation that he didn’t love. Anyone who votes for him is voting for high unemployment and a police state where you will be required to show your papers.

        • Burger

          I’m confused on business tax reform. How is reforming going to stop people from paying people under the table? If I can get away with shafting illegal immigrants because they are too scared to report me for not reporting my revenue how does that change any?

          You proposal doesn’t attack what is the sympton.

          Further, illegal immigrants most likely aren’t costing me or you a job because they aren’t lining up to take white collar jobs. They are taking blue collar – labor intensive positions i.e. the working poor. So I find the humourous the number of middle class white collar workers that complain someone coming to this country that wants to work hard and make a better life(for which someone in the family tree made the same decision) I sort of chuckle.

          • An Area Employer

            Cut the taxes and bureaucracy on businesses and you take away the incentive for hiring illegal labor. That’s my entire point, arrived at in a roundabout way.

            Per the update- Albo sounds like a crazed “build the dang fence” xenophobe. I wonder how many generations he is removed from immigrants.

          • KalashniKEV

            Taken to it’s logical conclusion, less taxes means smaller government which means less bureaucratic soft-seats for overpaid, underworked Feds. Easing the regulations and taxes on businesses while cracking down on illegals AND starving the beast means that a lot of Feds who are unable to market their skills to the private sector could be cutting your grass… or partying up in the Courthouse shelter. Is that really what we want, Komrades?

          • mehoo

            Well, no, that’s not a logical conclusion. You’re assuming all government is useless, and that feds are overpaid. Clearly some level of government is required – you need, for instance, more officers to chase down those illegals. And federal workers, when compared by skill, education, and experience, apples-to-apples, aren’t overpaid at all. And no, I’m not a federal worker.

          • KalashniKEV

            Not “assuming all gov is useless…” as I said, they will be in competition for private sector jobs (OPEN competition). It is my observation that the job market is pretty tight right now. I will also submit the “education” argument as false, being a former federal employee. There are these cute certificates that they try to claim, and any type of Sabbatical for a REAL degree is usually a subsidized program as part of their “benufits” (see- overpaid). By importing unskilled labor and creating an “illegal class” we all ignore, we buoy those who would fill those unskilled labor jobs. And as for enforcement- they know where to find them, just cut the chain.

          • mehoo

            Not sure what you mean by competition with private sector jobs – this is the government we’re talking about. You mean outsourcing it? Can’t do that with everything.

            Being a former fed doesn’t prove anything. The facts do.

          • KalashniKEV

            I mean in competition for private sector jobs- ones based solely on Experience and Merit and not “other factors.”

            Your last statement is so indicative of your intellectual deficiency… You would still think the moon was made of cheese after Neil Armstrong told you otherwise. Your “facts” are lies. Since you’re a liberal, I assume you’ll go get new ones now…

          • mehoo

            No bull this time, Kev, and no blabbering about “liberals” either.

            You’re personal experience as a fed is not scientific evidence. It’s not a comprehensive counting of federal vs. private education.

            The studies listed in the footnotes on this page are. These are the actual facts. They show that federal workers have more education overall. They show that in comparisons of similar jobs in the private sector (apples to apples), federal workers generally aren’t overpaid, and are in some cases underpaid.

            http://www.bea.gov/faq/index.cfm?faq_id=320&start=0&cat_id=0

          • KalashniKEV

            You know that link says .gov, don’t you?

            Just accept the Truth and move on, it’s a cycle of corruption- you move up the ladder, take free college and party up (while they hold your job), get back and get promoted, move up the ladder a bit…

          • mehoo

            It’s truly pathetic when you have to accuse them of simply lying. Truly pathetic. And you realize that the dolts claiming that federal workers are paid more are relying on the same .gov data, but just reading it wrong – right?

            For your humiliation, here is a private study that says the same thing:

            http://www.slge.org/vertical/Sites/%7BA260E1DF-5AEE-459D-84C4-876EFE1E4032%7D/uploads/%7B03E820E8-F0F9-472F-98E2-F0AE1166D116%7D.PDF

            Now what lame excuse are you going to throw out?

          • mehoo

            But I do like the

            “being a former federal employee.”

            followed by the

            “You know that link says .gov, don’t you?”

            :lol:

          • KalashniKEV

            Do you see all the scams our county government is running? Multiply that by ten million… then double that under the Obama regime.

          • mehoo

            Ah, that’s your lame excuse. Pretty lame.

            Whenever you throw out bogus, unsupported numbers, I’ll be here to help you back on your feet.

          • Resident

            To add the to the irony, I think Kev has stated he also was in the taxpayer funded military where he likely received ample benefits, health coverage, job placement – all paid for by my tax dollars. On top of that, he worked as a Federal employee, and my best guess is he now works for a private sector company whose business likely is derived from Government spending. It’s not hard to spot a hypocrit

          • KalashniKEV

            Mostly correct. I’m not saying we all wouldn’t have to make adjustments if the Federal Government chose to straighten out and fly right. I’m not going to apologize for my service either.

          • Resident

            Of course you shouldn’t apologize, but know that you have sucked on the teat of the Government as much as anyone. As a worker at a major defense contractor, Government contractors really aren’t that different from the Federal “slugs” you like to deride, they just cost more per hour. Most defense contractors have as good or better benefits than Feds – probably why most of our overhead burdens are well over 100%.

          • KalashniKEV

            Perhaps this is where I take issue- I never “sucked at the teat.”

            In fact for a portion of my career I was literally enslaved…

        • Burger

          I agree Albo is a putz. His drinking and driving laws are inherently biased considering his law firm is one of the biggest defenders of people being arrested for drinking and driving. I’m not attacking the law because I think it is a good one I find who introduced it and pushed for it a clear demonstration of conflict of interest.

  • Lacy Forest

    Excuse me, but if you are an illegal immigrant, no, we don’t want you in Virginia.

    • DD

      I am with you. Illegal alien, illegal immigrant, or just place undocumented (for those PC folks) from ANY country are NOT wanted.

  • SouthArlJD

    Oooh, great plan. Let’s impose MORE of an obligation on our already overstretched state and local police to keep up the enforcement against these people, most of whom are paying federal and state taxes and all of whom pay local taxes when they frequent our restaurants, buy our gas, purchase clothes and food from local markets and at local malls, and otherwise provide a source of revenue in a struggling economy. And let’s talk about what happens when idiots like Albo insist on rigid enforcement: a) the jail gets stuffed to overflowing and excess inmates have to be transferred to a rural jail, something which has to come out of OUR Sheriff’s budget; b) the families of these people end up having to turn to the localities for assistance because quite often they have just lost their wage-earner or caretaker and now the slack must be taken up by someone else; c) harsh enforcement leads to LESS cooperation with police and prosecutors in criminal investigations, meaning that fewer actual criminals are held accountable for their crimes.

    People generally have no idea just how complex the so-called “illegal” immigrant situation is and someone who doesn’t have papers isn’t necessarily a person who wouldn’t have the right to remain here if we could just get the application processed in a more timely and efficient manner. MANY so called illegal aliens occupy a kind of legal limbo in which they might have started out legal, then progressed to undocumented, but are eligible to become documented and receive work permits and green cards.

    Have I mentioned that Dave Albo is a flaming idiot?

    • AllenB

      Have I mentioned that his fraternity nickname was Pubes Albo? True story… I know one of his fraternity buddies.

      • Lou

        And?

        • AllenB

          And… I think he’s as big an idiot as SouthArlJD does so I thought I’d add that. Has more to do with the conversation than most posts here usually do. If you don’t like it… well…

          • Lou

            Do you know anyone else who knows someone barely famous?

          • AllenB

            Well yeah, but she’s not mentioned in this story. And you?

          • mehoo

            Pubes – is that a Spanish name? Like Lopes? :lol:

      • SouthArlJD

        I’d love to know the origin and purpose of his nickname.

        • AllenB

          Have you seen his hair in person?

  • G. Clifford Prout

    Blessed are they who suffer persecution for justice sake,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    • KalashniKEV

      Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill.

      • Chad

        Hold the presses! Two scripture quotes taken out of context to justify a point of view. This is amazing.

        • http://arlingtondirt.blogspot.com/ TGEoA

          Blessed are those that eat pizza, overpriced burgers and froyo.

    • http://media-addict.blogspot.com/ Daniel

      Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s?

  • KalashniKEV

    So Fairfax proposes a law… that Arlington respect the Rule of Law… aaaand our National Sovereignty?

    How dare they!

  • BallstonDude

    Obama said “We won” when trying to jam through his legislitation. Maybe Albo should say “We won” and tell Arlington to shove it.

    • BallstonDude

      legislation*

    • KalashniKEV

      He could… that’s why introducing this bill is nothing more than a gesture to remind Arlington that this is still America, and VA has supremacy.

  • Ballstonian

    But who’s going to build all the new buildings in Ballston/Clarendon? What about my maid service…damn it, let them stay. Who wants to live in Ciudad Juarez or Tiajuana anyway. I’d be running to this country to with the hell-hole Mexico has become.

    • mehoo

      Juarez, Tiajuana, South Arlington…

  • http://xcurmudgeon.blogspot.com/ Xcurmudgeon

    If Albo were to simply take the word “immigration” out of the bill so it would prevent Virginia localities from restricting “the enforcement of [ALL] federal laws to less than the full extent permitted by federal law,” then it would be a good bill that no Tea Partier would embrace. Funny how they want “Washington” to stop “meddling,” except when they selectively want Washington to meddle.

  • Ginko

    I think all illegal immigrants should be drafted into the services and and serve for four years. During that time, they can learn English, become Americans by defending their country and prove their loyalty.
    The sheriff’s office is currently overtaxed with special foods for alleged non-pork eating religious inmates who are, in most cases, legally in the county.

    • Virginia^2

      I know that you’re just floating an extreme and untenable suggestion for fun, but I’ll respond anyway, for fun:

      Arming with guns people who have actively demonstrated disrespect for at least some of our laws, and who have not proven any kind of loyalty to the U.S., seems a little dangerous to me. Also, how do we screen anyone if we have no information on them, like a recently-immigrated member of a drug cartel, or worse?

      Giving illegal immigrants free education, food, and shelter for four years, AND paying them a salary (plus benefits) would get pretty expensive, I would imagine. If your situation was so poor in Mexico that you risked health and detention to come to the U.S. for a better life, that would seem like a pretty sweet deal. The government would certainly have to give illegal immigrants a very limited time period, while the border is TOTALLY SEALED (can you fathom how many people would try to get into the country?), to report to recruiting offices or else lose the opportunity for citizenship forever.

      On the other hand, it would give us the largest standing military in the world, which would be pretty awesome, if you think that the Founders had it all wrong.

      • Virginia^2

        And by “have not proven any kind of loyalty,” I am not generalizing as to illegal immigrants as a class, but only pointing out that it COULD be the case for at least SOME individuals. This would obviously not apply to the otherwise-law-abiding person who has been a productive member of our society for a good length of time.

      • http://blacknell.net/dynamic MB

        “Arming with guns people who have actively demonstrated disrespect for at least some of our laws, and who have not proven any kind of loyalty to the U.S., seems a little dangerous to me.”

        Apparently you don’t know anything about enlistment standards in the US military. Among other things.

        • KalashniKEV

          Hmmmmmm… and you do, MB? Inquiring minds would like to know…

          Also, who is going to lead this Criminal Alien Conscript Army? Not me.

          I wouldn’t have a use for them that didn’t involve route clearance operations and very old, barely serviceable vehicles…

      • Westover

        We allow folks from foreign countries to enlist. The guy in the bunk next to mine in Boot Camp was from Mexico City, the guy across the squad bay was from Trinidad. It is a risk, but we have that with our native borns unfortunately too. Just look at Lee Harvey Oswald or Timothy McVay, two scum bags that used their military training against us in the name of beliefs from the opposite ends of the political spectrum.

  • Exodus 22:21

    Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt.

    • And?

      What’s the rest of the story? One verse (taken out of context) is meaningless.

      • Exodus 22:21

        The context is the law of God handed down to Moses. You know exactly what it means. You just don’t like it.

  • BoredHouseWife

    If they are targeting Arlington, they are trying to get Arlington to drop the lawsuit. A bunch of rich men feel they are entitled to pollute my lungs. If you want HOT lanes on 395, make 295 have them as well. Otherwise, nothing will change except the air quality will get worse for Arlingtonians.

    • Jason S

      If you cared that much about your lungs, you wouldn’t live in the DC area.

      • mehoo

        If you cared so much about traffic, you wouldn’t live in the DC area.

        Right back atcha.

    • Westover

      How do HOT lanes that will reduce congestion add polution?

  • Real World Economics

    It does not appear that this bill requires the state or local jurisdictions to do any more than they are already required to do by Federal law, so the argument that it’s going to cost local jurisdictions more or create more work for them lacks merit. It requires them to do what they are already required to do. Some may think that’s redundant but those folks are missing the kicker – by making it a violation of state law to not follow the Federal law, it allows the state to impose a penalty, specifically, cutting off state funds to the local jurisdiction. So, if Arlington decides to do it’s own thing again and “opt out” of the Federal requirement, they would lose both Federal AND State funds. So hold onto your wallets really tight because the Fab Five will really have to jack up your real estate taxes to pay for the doggie slides and other programs.

    For those of you who keep making excuses for those that are hare illegally because “they contribute to the economy”: GET OVER YOURSELVES. That doesn’t make it right. Prince William’s foreclosure rate went up because of the number of illegals that abandoned homes for fear of being sent back. And if an illegal alien is arrested for a crime and deported, we shouldn’t have to worry about supporting the remaining family because they should be sent back on the same plane / bus with the one that got caught. Follow the trail…

    And finally, for those of you that think our immigration laws and procedures are so harsh, catch a flight to Mexico and start working somewhere without your proper papers and paying your required fees. When they catch you, they won’t make excuses for you. They’ll lock you up, and they aren’t going to deport you back to the luxury of the US.

    • SouthArlJD

      Gee, thanks for proving my point. By REQUIRING local jurisdictions to devote their scarce resources to rounding up Maria the Maid and Pablo the Yard Worker and holding them for federal authorities who may or may not (due to THEIR limited resources) eventually pick them up and deport them, we would be taking away funds and police manpower and time AWAY from REAL criminals, you know, the type that go around raping, pillaging, killing, stealing, and dealing drugs. This is a really STUPID idea. AND you have also failed to address the other problem, which is that establishing a requirement that localities detain and deport anyone found to be here without documentation (since it ISN’T an actual crime to be here without documentation for most people) you establish a reason for these undocumented types to never, ever cooperate with the police on anything. Otherwise law abiding people who happen not to have permission to be here would simply stop cooperating with the police, would stop calling the cops when they witness or are victims of a crime, and would never show up to testify at trial of such criminals. It just gets better and better the more one thinks of it.

      • Westover

        SouthArlJD-
        No one is requireing anyone to round anyone up. The police are just required to run anyone that is arrested for other non-immigration crimes through the computer to find out their status, this does not even cover most traffic offenses. If the only crime that you have done is to sneak in, they are never going to have a problem.

        Real World Economics- Your first paragraph is on the money. The rest is just xenophobic BS. If someone was productive enough to purchase a home and keep up with the payments, but ran off because we suddenly increase immigration enforcement, don’t you see where the real problem is? It surely is not with the folks that were otherwise contributing to our society. Immigrant workers have always been the blood of America’s Productive Heart, let us welcome them with papers so that we can keep track of them and make sure they are productive, then seperate the chaff and get the scum kicked out.

  • FirstHand

    Amazing! As a former Arlington County Government Employee who for family reasons had to relocate out of state.. I experienced first hand where the hand outs to to whom they were given too. Yes, The Legal Aliens entering our County and most of the time the Country for the first time. Resources galour! Health insurance, Food programs, All county wide clinics, etc…. It was sick. I found that after interviewing thousandths of families that the “Undocumented” lived and worked for today where as the “Documented” used and use the system as if they suposely have nothing to have something for tomorrow! 99% of them are not of hispanic origin.

  • Evey

    Yeah, good luck getting “citizens” to do the jobs our homeless don’t even want to do….

  • Resident

    Stop-loss was no joking matter. But in the end you drew a paycheck and very generous benefits for working for the Federal Government and taxpayer. I didn’t mean sucking the teat of Government as an insult, only as an example that your constant complaining about Federal workers is ridiculous, especially when you hypocritically work for a government contractor whose revenue comes straight from the taxpayer.

    • KalashniKEV

      No disrespect, but have you ever served? Your viewpoints aren’t matching up with reality.

      • Resident

        Nope, and I respect those that do. But I also realize that the enlisted soldiers generally have high school diplomas or GEDs, and then are offered taxpayer paid training, GI Bill benefits, health care, outplacement services, and other benefits. I don’t have a problem with that, that’s the cost of a volunteer military. I’m just saying you excoriating the Federal workforce for taking offered benefits isn’t much different from yourself. And the Federal workforce is overpaid? Is that why you switched from a Fed to a contractor? I know I didn’t switch because the contractor paid less or had worse benefits.

        Sometimes the bluster and hypocricy gets a bit stale.

  • Westover

    Until our Nation reopens the doors, and starts to give out a reasonable number of Unskilled Worker Visas so that people don’t HAVE to sneak in if they want a better life, I will have to side with the undocumented workers. The county should run those they arrest through the system to kick out the crimminals that sneak in. This might give a chance to the honest workers who had no choice but to sneak in to work here the opportunity to prove themselves. Immigration Reform is needed. Let the workers in so that we can keep the scum out.

    • mehoo

      They have no choice? No, they can choose to stay home.

      It sucks for them, yes. But we have a right to control our borders as we see fit. If you want to change the law, change it–don’t advocate violating it.

      • Westover

        We show them our awesome country on TV, our service industry has representatives south of the border telling them about jobs, but then we only give out 10K unskilled worker visas a year. It is almost the story of the man stealing to feed his family then cutting off his hand when caught.

        • mehoo

          We have to let them violate our laws because we show them America on TV? Really?

          I’m all for immigration reform and letting more of them here. Legally.

          • Westover

            No, we don’t “have to let them violate our laws” but we encourage them to do so. We need some serious Immigration Reform. Get the folks visas and they won’t have to sneak in and we can save tons of money on patroling the border by just going after the real crimminals that will remain crossing away from the check points.

          • KalashniKEV

            LOL… mehoo the Extreme Liberal meets Westover the Radical Liberal Psychopath Anarchist.

          • mehoo

            Yeah, right, extreme liberal, coming down against illegals, that’s me.

            Labels are stupid. They’re for lazy people with no real arguments.

          • Westover

            Radical Liberal Psychopath Anarchist, LOL. Just a moderate Republican child of one immigrant and one 10th generation American.

          • mehoo

            Oops, Kev strikes out twice.

          • DouroDouro

            Ha! Look who’s talking.

          • mehoo

            We encourage them to violate our laws? How? By beaming “Two and a Half Men” over the border?

            We have a huge fence and a bunch of guards in their faces. I think that’s probably not encouraging.

          • KalashniKEV

            Landmines would be a more effective deterrent.

          • Westover

            Real simple for the peanut gallery, we export the majority of the worlds TV entertainment. Shows that depict America as a place of abundant resources and opportunity(and hot chicks like on the #1 TV export, Baywatch). We also have representatives of our service industry traveling the globe to third world nations advertising jobs that unskilled workers can do but can’t get visas for. It is no one individual, and it is not government sanctioned, but we show off a great life and opportunity. We show them the party, but stop them at the door, so they go through the window. Shoot, if you lived in Liberia, you would probably try to cross the ocean on whatever rickety boat/raft you could find.

          • Westover

            KEV throws out that he has all this military background yet does not understand the Laws of War. Landmines agains civilians is a no-no. Just because our enemies do it, does not make it right. Besides, if they can build tunnels under the fence in a matter of days, I figure they would come up with a solution against land mines to pretty quickly.

          • KalashniKEV

            Westover- you’re a fool. It’s the Law of LAND Warfare, FM 27-10… and I can teach it even, to a half wit like you or an Iraqi. Ch2.III covers Forbidden Means of Waging War… note what it does NOT say.

            Section I states “Under the law of the United States, one of the consequences of the existence of a condition of war between two States is that every national of the one State becomes an enemy of every national of the other. However, it is a generally recognized rule of international law that civilians must not be made the object of attack directed exclusively against them.”

            All we need is to declare war on Mexico. The “intent” of employing terrain denial munitions would be to deny use of the area by Narcos, who ARE legitimate combatants.

          • Westover

            Good Lord, the laws of war refer to all the international conventions that apply to war. In particular, I was refering to the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons which is an annex to the Geneva Convention of 1949, which means no use of land mines against a civilian population. We can’t declare war on just the narcos, 90%+ of those crossing the border are NOT narcos, and we are not going to declare war on Mexico. So your attempt at justifying your Landmine remark is moot, or just a failed attempt at humor.

            You have had your head stuck in too many teabag boxes.

      • Soup

        Yes, maybe you should have asked Dr. King to change the laws not to violate them. Or Ghandi. Or for that matter all the Egyptians that are protesting for reform at this very moment. I will let them know… Oh, wait I can’t tweet your suggestion to follow the exsting laws because the existing government has shut down the internet…

  • Soup

    What constantly amazes me about this ‘immigrant’ debate is the selfishness and lack of compassion, arrogant head up you’re a$# arguments that ‘anti-illegal immigrant’ advocates espouse.
    Let’s face it, you are the same people that build your house put up your fence and complain about the neighbor doing the same thing because you have yours. This NIMBY attitude only helps to estrange Americans, and some of their narrow mindedness, from the rest of the world. YOU (and George W. Bush) are the reason why the American government has slipped in world stature over the past 10 years.
    I reject your hate, I would call it racism (that’s really what it is, but then people will get upset that I called them what they are), you can try and justify it to yourself and others however you choose to, but I won’t believe you.
    Do you think people are leaving their friends and families to come up here and dig your ditches, live in fear, constantly be on the look out for unscrupulous people that are trying to take advantage of them because they love Virginia? NO! These immigrants, legal or not, they are here to provide for their families. They are here because they need to feed their children. They are here because they want to pay for their children’s education in their home country so they can have a better life then they have had. They are here because they have no jobs in their country and we have jobs that here. What would you do to feed your child? I can tell you I would jump a fence and walk across a desert in a second if my son was going hungry.
    So take your immigration bill AZ, VA and shove it.

    • Westover

      George W. Bush was pro-immigration reform and would have liked to increase the ability for guest workers to come and help with our nation’s productivity.

      Everyone should be in favor of weeding out the criminal element from the immigrant population, in particular the honest immigrants should be. Your third paragraph is on the mark, the others are ill informed.

      • Soup

        Geroge W. Bush declared a war on a country by mis-directing Americans. Taking the global good will that existed after 9/11 to put forward his bad policy agendas. He had an unique opportunity that exists maybe once in a generation and he squandered all that good will with a badly thought out war.

        • Jason S

          Maybe one of us stupid, but I cannot understand for a moment how the war in Iraq relates to Arlington’s immigration policies.

        • Westover

          First, the War in Iraq had nothing to do with immigration or this discussion, so I don’t see why you brought it up. Second, of all the things that other nations see as a problem with America, on the whole our immigration policy is very very low. They come anyhow. Our Immigration Policy disputes are primarily internal. Last, you obviously don’t know the fact that 20+ Nations agreed with the administration’s intelligence analysis before we went to war with Saddam’s Government. Iraq probably could have waited a while, but Saddam would have eventually had to have been dealt with again based on the actions he appeared to be taking.

          • Soup

            Sorry you can’t follow a simple conversation. I will try and explain it using small words. It was said that GW Bush was pro-immigration. Maybe half true, I was saying that no other person has done as much to damage our global image as much as he has. My point is this he had a unique opportunity in time to address these issues with the world supporting us in our darkest hour. He decided to use this global good will to advance a personal agenda that was bad for the United States and has only served to hurt our image since then.
            I did not bring up GW Bush. Westover did. I am merely stating what I see to be obvious. The poor leadership of Congress and the former President have not only reinforced the rest of the worlds negative image of us, but they also cost us a unique opportunity in history where as a nation and as a world we could have worked together in a truly accepting environment to attack the serious problems that we face as a nation. Was there a better time than 2002 for immigration reform? Was there a better time for energy policy reform? There hasn’t been a better opportunity in my life time. I look at 2000-2008 as squandered potential, squandered opportunities.
            I know it is higher thinking but come on up. The air is nice.

          • Westover

            “This NIMBY attitude only helps to estrange Americans, and some of their narrow mindedness, from the rest of the world. YOU (and George W. Bush) are the reason why the American government has slipped in world stature over the past 10 years.”
            Sorry, but YOU brought up W. A man that supported immigration reform and feels bad that he could not get it through Congress. Just wondering why you would bring him up your hatred of him here in the immigration context?

    • Jason S

      Yes, it’s true, the only reason a person can possibly believe a nation of laws should enforce the laws or change the laws is due to them being a racist. The distinction between legal and illegal immigration is not relevant. We get the idea you are trying to present, but an actual point is preferred.

      • Soup

        Point: Immigration law is flawed. Yes a nation of laws, Jim Crow, Blacks are 3/5 of a person, Jews aren’t allowed to live in this neighborhood. There have never been governmentally sanctioned racist laws…

        • Jason S

          In which case the laws should be changed. That’s how these things work. Perhaps the illegals should all get together and vote for better immigration laws.

          • Westover

            Perhaps those who claim that they are not racist and just don’t like the law being broken will fight for better laws that allow workers to come here to provide for their families. Do we need strong border protection? Yes. But as long as we have ten of thousands crossing the border away from the check points everyday to get to jobs, the real crimminals will be able to use them as cover. As long as these numbers are crossing it is financially impossible to stop them in any sort of an ethical way. Give the workers VISAS! Stop the scumbags!

          • Soup

            You say potato I say racist. I call it as I see it, as can you, but it still won’t change my opinion of people that follow that line of thought.

          • mehoo

            Which line of thought?

          • Soup

            I agree with the Visa issue too. Good comment Westover. I know many many people that have been trying to get Visas for up to a decade legally and can’t do it. Despite the fact that they are following the rules. The system does not work.

          • mehoo

            Yeah, I noted that problem above too.

          • Soup

            Exactly Del. Albo and people of his ilk are happy to abuse people with no power for their own cheap political gain, as they see it.

            “In addition is Del. Hope’s astute – and correct – observation that this is all nothing more than “bumper-sticker politics and throwing redmeat to the Tea Party,” and that “the Senate will have the backbone to kill [the legislation].” I would certainly hope so!”

            From:
            http://bluevirginia.us/diary/2975/del-hope-virginia-house-gop-pursuing-ridiculous-blame-game-on-immigration

            Which is actually how this whole thing started. It started with us talking about how Albo is not only taking aim at our “tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free…” and excoriating them for his own purposes but how now he is also taking aim at Arlington specifically. He has targeted those of us (me) that live in Arlington for his own personal and political gain. This fits with the theme previously posted on Arlnow about how Aldo has been modifying laws to suit his law firm, clearly a conflict of interest.

  • roquer

    What’s with these politicos advocating for criminals? Immigrants are NOT illegal aliens! Illegals need to go. Immigrants are not illegals. Immigrants can stay because they’re here legally. Illegals need to be gone.
    It is good to know, though, that a bill is targeting Arlington. The police in Arlington can now be the police, instead of being co-opted by the Arlington liberals. Yay.

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