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Immigrant Advocates Rally in Arlington

by ARLnow.com | February 9, 2011 at 6:00 pm | 2,840 views | 222 Comments

Local supporters of immigrant rights held a press conference in Arlington today to voice their opposition to a slew of anti-immigrant legislation in Richmond.

Speaking in front of TV cameras and about 15 audience members at the Unitarian Universalist Church on Route 50, immigrant advocates said the bills represent the kind of “divisive, partisan politics” that Virginia’s immigrant community has “always feared.”

“Now more than ever we cannot be silent, we have to act,” said Dr. Emma Violand-Sanchez, an Arlington County School Board member and a board member of Northern Virginia Community College. “We have to defeat all these anti-immigrant bills.”

Violand-Sanchez said she was particularly concerned about HB 1465, which passed the Virginia House of Delegates by a vote of 75-24. The bill would deny undocumented students the opportunity to attend public colleges, including community colleges, in Virginia. Violand-Sanchez said the bill would affect about 200 undocumented Northern Virginia Community College students who are currently paying the out-of-state tuition rate.

“We cannot create a permanent underclass of marginalized young people who are not allowed to continue to their education,” she said. “These students work hard to pay for their education… Will we close the door to them now?”

Melanie Maron Pell, Director of the American Jewish Committee of Washington, which supports immigrant rights, said there’s an economic argument to be made for the defeat of HB 1465.

“Are these not the young people we want in our society and in our economy?” she asked. “It’s simply bad public policy… Let’s stop punishing kids for the actions of their parents.”

Here are three of the dozen or so other bills that the Virginia Coalition of Latino Organizations — which organized today’s press conference — is actively opposing:

  • HB 1934, which would require Virginia State Police to enter a so-called 287(g) agreement with the Department of Homeland Security to give state troopers federal immigration enforcement powers.
  • HB 1421, an “anti-sanctuary” bill targeted at Arlington.
  • HB 2332, which would require state and local law enforcement officers to ask about a suspect’s citizenship status after they’re arrested but before they see a judge. This bill would also allow a suspect to be held without bond if they’re suspected of being an illegal alien.

The bills have all passed the House and have now crossed over for consideration by the Democrat-controlled state Senate.

“We believe in the American values of opportunity, equality, fairness and compassion,” Violand-Sanchez said, calling for the Senate to kill the bills. “These values have been trampled by the House of Delegates.”

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  • http://arlingtondirt.blogspot.com/ TGEoA

    To illegals. GTFO.

    To legals. Welcome! Si se puede!

    • KalashniKEV

      Reconquista!! Si se puede! Por La Raza todo, Fuera de La Raza nada!!!!!!!!!!!

      So-to-mayooorrr!!!

      • DouroRouro

        Git them illegals outta heere. This here is Amurrica!

        • KalashniKEV

          Damn straight!
          We’ll put a boot in your ass, it’s the American way!
          (truth)

          • mehoo

            You’re a walking self-parody, Kev.

  • Shannon

    Of course they are rallying! Free housing, medical, jobs, ect. Arlington County is a giant welfare system for them!! I’m sick of it and seeing hard working American’s go without! It’s about time we take care of OUR OWN!!!

    • CadeTyler

      1) Please quote sources for your outrageous claims
      2) Why is it always the “OUR PEOPLE” crowd that have the least grasp of English spelling and grammar? Are country, are jerbs indeed…

      • Shannon

        Quote sources, eh? LOL!!! Look around and see what American society has become…a giant welfare system to illegals! What are you ignorant to today’s society? What other country can you come to and get paid, housing, medical and DEMAND more? Only in America! Well, this tax payer is sick of it and wants it stopped!
        Let me make myself clear. I don’t mind anyone coming into the country and working hard. My problem is when they get paid and receive more benefits than our retired VETS who served this country!! That is simply just wrong!
        Oh and by the way, your response made no sense!

        • Westover

          An illegal immigrant has a very hard time collecting any benefits other than Emergency Room healthcare. The system needs to be fixed. We need to provide thse folks with the visas they need to work in our industries that have a hard time working in these low or no skill industries. We only allow 10K Unskilled workers in a year, how is that reasonable? I really don’t see any unemployed engineers willing to clean hotel rooms.

  • Patrick

    I’m sorry but none of these bills are “anti-immigrant” as they have been described in the article and by Dr. Violand-Sanchez. The bills are anti-ILLEGAL-immigrant. There is a clear and distinct difference between the two.

    • yowza

      I’m pretty darn liberal and I welcome immigrants, but this is craziness. To be opposed to illegal immigrants is not to be opposed to immigrants.

      • Westover

        Currently, if you are unskilled, it is very very hard to legally immigrate. And our hotels and service industry need those lower wage unskilled workers.
        Support raising the visa quota for unskilled workers from the joke of just 10K a year!

  • Jason S

    All they need to do is get an F1 visa.

    • 22205

      You can not have gainful employment on an F1 Visa, only 20 hour a week, on campus jobs are allowed.

  • Just Me

    I am sick of Arlington and my taxes being use to support ILLEGAL immigrants, I am a law aboding citizen and I expect my county to enforce the law, not support a group if ILLEGAL immigrants. If we were not supporting the ILLEGALS we would not have the high meals tax and pay for a stupid sticker for our cars that the rest of Virginia does not have to pay for.

    The day I retire I am out of here and moving to real Virginia.

    • Chad

      I hate ABODING by Arlington taxes to pay for public services that I use. RAWR SO ANGRY. ILLEGALS. BUZZWORDS. REAL VIRGINIA aka Confederacy Month!!

      • CadeTyler

        “Law aboding” sounds like someone in prison. Hmmmm.

  • Just the Facts

    Just Me: Don’t wait! If you’re so unhappy, I invite you to leave now.

    • KalashniKEV

      An American citizen should leave his home… because it’s become over run by an invasion of Criminal Aliens???

      Wow, I really hope you’re joking… or else you would be one backward thinking person.

      • CadeTyler

        Isn’t a Kalashnikov a foreign weapon? Why do you hate America?

  • http://blacknell.net/dynamic MB

    I support this rally. And to all of you whiny little commenters that hide behind pseudonyms and ignorance: Prince William Co. is ready when you are. Bob Marshall may well need the votes, after redistricting.

    • Overgrown Bush

      Then you are someone who supports undocumented immigrants breaking the law, then whining about it when the heat is on. If I broke the law, as a legal citizen, I’d be held accountable. Absurd.

      • DouroRouro

        I am incensed at the fact that you’ve probably gone over the speed limit at some point in your life. Please, go turn yourself in for breaking the law whenever you go over the speed limit. Criminal!!

        • Overgrown Bush

          If I’m caught breaking the speed limit I would have to pay a fine or worse depending upon the infraction. If I cross the boarder without papers I can count of a member of the school board and county government to lobby for me to stay here despite breaking the law. Your point makes no sense.

          • DouroRouro

            I didn’t realize an illegal immigrant coming here has put your life in danger! Thanks for saving America!

          • Overgrown Bush

            Huh? When did I say my life was in danger?

          • DouroDouro

            You’re equating breaking the speed limit (which could ostensibly put you or someone else in danger) with someone crossing the border, which has no effect at all on you personally. Why such outrage about this particular activity when there are so many worse things going on in this country?

        • mehoo

          So breaking the law is okay sometimes, huh?

          • Overgrown Bush

            Ha ha. Baiting for an answer appearing to be contradictory, when it actually has nothing to do with the topic, is usually a sign an argument is being lost.

          • mehoo

            OG, my reply was to DouroRouro not you, hope that was clear.

          • Overgrown Bush

            My mistake, mehoo. Sorry.

          • mehoo

            No apology necessary.

        • Ali

          Ah, the speeding argument. Tell us, please. If one speeds one time, and pays a ticket, does that mean that you get to speed every minute of every day? An illegal alien breaks the law every minute of every day he’s here, probably several laws. If you did that while driving, you’d end up losing your license and maybe in jail. Of course, Americans who break the law usually expect there will be consequences and are prepared to deal with them. We either pay the fine or get a lawyer to fight it, and if we lose, we expect what we get. Illegal aliens on the other hand, don’t want to take the consequences and think they should get what they broke the law to get–legal status here. They also don’t think they should honor due process except when it goes their way (the reason for so many absconders). How many of us who “speed” would argue that there shouldn’t be laws against speeding, and that if there are, they shouldn’t apply to me because of my ethnic group?

          • borf

            It’s okay to break laws you don’t like. Says so in the Constitution, right next to the right to HDTV.

  • Jim

    Who loves immigrants? This guy. But illegal immigrants? Same as “immigrants rights?” I think most legal immigrants would beg to differ about who actually has rights. I understand the author wanted to come off as objective, but that attempt didn’t really come to fruition.

  • Just Me

    I know a lot of legal immigrants that are not happy about the ILLEGAL immigrants living off our system and even being here. The legal immigrants have gone though the work it takes to be here the right way and I have no problem with them at all. I have a friend that had to go back to her country for 2 years so she could come back to get a green card, she was on a student visa. It was the US that made her leave not her country. She will be back soon and be with her husband.

  • DT

    It isn’t anti-immigration legislation. It’s anti-illegal legislation. Get it right.

    • Just Me

      +1

      • DouroRouro

        That’s great that you assume you know what legal immigrants want based on the stories of a few “friends” that are outraged by illegal immigration.

        EXCEPT… plenty of legal immigrants have family members that have come here illegally as well, so most tend to support legislation that would consider reforming the current system rather than the nonsensical one currently in place.

        WEAK.

        • Ali

          If legal immigrants are aiding and abetting illegal alien relatives (particularly when there are LEGAL routes for them to immigrate) it sure suggests we should greatly reduce LEGAL immigration and enforce the laws against aiding and abetting.

          • JackFan

            +1

          • DouroDouro

            Whoa, whoa. So supporting legislation that would consider reforming the current system is now aiding and abetting? Your ignorance is showing.

  • Paul

    If you came here legally, and forgot to go home, leave now. If you came here illegally, go home now. No services should be available to people who are not here legally.

    Not here legally, go home. No matter what country you came from.

    • Just Me

      Agree

  • JR

    I support the rally, and hardworking Americans really? Don’t make me laugh I have met these “illegals” and NO American in this county works as hard as these people do how about you drop all your things say goodbye to all your friends and go to a foreign country just to earn below minimum wage? Really, my suggestion to all you that dislike illegal immigrants how about you go down to one of the day-labor’r areas and ask them why they came here?

    • Just Me

      Then you take then in your home and feed them.

      • DouroRouro

        I didn’t realize you currently had to do that now! Who knew you did so much for those poor illegals?!

    • Jason S

      How hard they work is not relevant. They did not work hard to get into the US nor have they worked hard to follow our immigration laws.

    • Sam

      So help them apply for a visa or citizenship. They are welcome to become legal immigrants or naturalized citizens.

    • Ali

      How about you consider the fact that these illegal aliens are displacing LEGAL immigrants? Have you been following the ICE audit of Chipotle? About half of the 1200 or so workers already checked are here illegally, which means that half are NOT. You might also be interested to know that just one country, Mexico, accounts for 15-20% of our LEGAL immigration due to “family reunification” with parents, adult kids, and siblings with their families. Are you telling us that the LEGAL Mexican workers found at Chipotle are lazy? That THEY don’t deserve to get the jobs that illegal aliens have been taking?

  • Round ‘Em Up

    I hope they backed up the INS bus at this rally and filled it to standing room only.

    • DouroRouro

      That’s right! Git ‘er done!!! Yeee-haww!! Amurrica will not be overtaken by them illegals!

      • JackFan

        Hey instead of throwing out the tired – ‘redneck stereotype’ to everyone that has a differing viewpoint…try offering an intelligent, reasoned response. Your equating people who favor a reasonable immigration policy with racists is such an intellectually lightweight argument. And super lazy.

        • DouroDouro

          Look elsewhere in the comments on this post and you’ll see I try to make some reasonable arguments for my position. Unfortunately, they go right over most people’s heads, so I have to talk their language.

  • Professor Sanchez

    “The bill would deny undocumented students the opportunity to attend public colleges, including community colleges, in Virginia. Violand-Sanchez said the bill would affect about 200 undocumented Northern Virginia Community College students who are currently paying the out-of-state tuition rate.”

    Fantastic! That would mean acceptance slots would open up for citizens and legal immigrants, including 200 slots at NOVA. Send them home and give the education opportunity to those who DESERVE it.

    • Just Me

      +100

    • Overgrown Bush

      I with you Sanchez!

  • Steve

    liberals, need illegals to stay in power. accuse everyone of being anti illegal immigration of being racist. great.

    • KalashniKEV

      +1

      Some folks with weak reasoning skills have the race card on quick draw in this county…

      • mehoo

        True, but people like you don’t exactly help your own cause when you say things that smell like racism, even if they aren’t.

        • KalashniKEV

          I’m just a plain-truth speaking guy… the people who see the spectre of racism around every corner and devour every media spin-story related to race are, themselves racist. It’s part of the guilt that they carry- much in the same way a vocal homophobe often turns out to be a closeted gay.

          • mehoo

            But that’s not all you are, Kev. Sometimes you posts sound pretty racist, as do many of the critics of illegal immigration. If you would stick to the facts and resist the urge to make petty swipes, your message would get through better. More “rule of law” and less “smelly foreigners.”

          • KalashniKEV

            1) I lay it All out there. That’s just the way I am.
            2) Sometimes the Truth isn’t as politically correct as we would like it to be. It doesn’t make me feel bad.

          • mehoo

            If you talk like a racist, be prepared to be called a racist. Don’t whine like a baby when you are either. And when nobody listens, even when you have a good point, don’t be surprised either.

          • KalashniKEV

            Not crying… more like chuckling every time a race card gets thrown. It’s quite pathetic for the Race Referee.

          • mehoo

            Crying, chuckling – it all comes down to whining like a baby. You talk like a racist, you’re gonna get called one. Grow up and take responsibility for your words.

            Like I said, I generally agree with you on this issue, but you sure don’t make people like me want to lift a finger to support you. You’re not helping your cause.

  • Robert

    Arrogant stupidity.

  • Kate

    I don’t support illegal immigration, and I find it extremely troubling that it’s so easy for people who haven’t gone through the legal channels to come to the US to utilize social services for free that they haven’t paid into.

    HOWEVER, I fully support the idea that anyone who wants an education should be able to get one. If these students are paying out of state rates – well, they’re still paying, and everyone can benefit from an education, whether academic or trade-based – that ultimately means less reliance on public services (in theory, at least – in this economy…eeeugh).

    (Yes, I am a staunch liberal and proud of it, so what.)

    • Jason S

      Out of state rates are nice, but it’s inappropriate that some students should be turned away for not having the proper visas when illegal aliens are allowed to study. Also, when a student who is legally present is unable to take a class because a slot has been filled by somebody who has no right to be in the class in the first place, it is unfair to the displaced student.

    • local

      Suppose someone from Mexico sent an application to George Mason and was accepted. Then he sent a letter saying “I don’t have permission to come to the U.S. but I’m coming anyway. Prepare a dorm room for me.” Would the school be obligated to admit this student?

      • local

        Here’s another one: suppose you apply to the Sorbonne and get in. You don’t bother to apply for a student visa and just show up. Do you have a right to enroll there? If France refuses to let you in the school, is it violating your rights?

        Now, multiply both of those scenarios by thousands.

        • KalashniKEV

          I don’t follow this post… is France a significant part of the example?

          Try crossing another countries border (if it’s not mined) and see how you’re greeted on arrival…

          • mehoo

            3)It involves logical reasoning- you don’t posses it.

            LOL.

            Hint – this post is opposed to illegal immigration just like you. Duh.

      • Kate

        That’s a poor example, as then they would apply for a student visa.

    • Overgrown Bush

      Nope. If they are not here legally then they deserve NOTHING. No benefits, no schooling, nothing. Go home, come in legally, and we’ll welcome you with open arms as well as your tax contributions. Otherwise, get the F out leach!

      • DouroRouro

        Uh… except most if not all of them already contribute to taxes.

        And what a nasty mouth you’ve got. Perhaps you should try Orbitz?

        • CW

          He should buy some airfare to clean up his dirty mouth?

          • Overgrown Bush

            He’s confused. An undocumented alien took his spot in higher education and he had to settle for his third choice college.

          • brif

            I’m confused. Are you saying that undocumented aliens improve the caliber/quality of higher education student bodies?

          • Overgrown Bush

            I’m not saying they do or they don’t. I’m saying quotas, or other factors, may have very well allowed their entry before a legal alien or citizen.

          • DouroRouro

            Now you’re saying quotas are in place for illegal immigrants? I’m sure you believe that too…

          • mehoo

            You mean racial quotas?

            Are you aware of the existence of racial quotas for admission at any schools in Virginia?

          • Overgrown Bush

            Well, whether they have it on paper or just in practice is debatable…. Here are two articles which intentionally do not use illegal alien hispanics as an example. Asians and blacks are cited so as not to stir the illegal pot any more. But, whether quotas are written or implied they are practiced.

            http://ivysuccess.com/therecord013005.html

            http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28350#

    • Ali

      You do realize that even with out-of-state rates, these students are STILL taking up a scarce resource, seats? Community colleges across the country are feeling the pinch because they don’t have the funds to add seats to meet demand. Any seat taken by an illegal alien is one not taken by a citizen. (My nephew, a Mexican-American, managed to get an EMT degree at a community college and is now taking pre-nursing classes to start a nursing program. Should HE have to compete with an illegal alien for his classes?)

      • Kate

        I think immigrants who are here legally should have priority over those who aren’t, obviously. But I don’t believe that as long as they are willing to pay and there ARE spots available, anyone should be denied an education.

  • ICEICEBaby

    “We believe in the American values of opportunity, equality, fairness and compassion…”

    But apparently not the Rule of Law.

    “These values have been trampled by the House of Delegates”

    The Rule of Law has been trampled by illegal immigrants.

    So if someone born and raised in DC or Maryland wants to commute to George Mason, they have to pay out of state. But if you violated U.S. Law and are in the country illegally, you should get in state tuition? Can someone please tell me how that makes sense?

    • DouroRouro

      Something must be wrong with your reading comprehension skills.

      Illegals CURRENTLY pay out-of-state tuition rates. The legislation under consideration would DENY these individuals the opportunity to attend public universities and colleges at all.

      • steve

        If I illegally enter european countries, they won’t allow me to attend university either. are they racists?

        • DouroRouro

          Sure. Plenty of them are! Jean-Marie LePen, Frank Vanhecke, Jorg Haider.. the list goes on.

          In fact, I’d venture to say Europeans are probably more racist than Americans. Fortunately, most of America values its diversity.

          • mehoo

            No, he’s talking about the governments that exist now – they won’t let you in their countries. Sarkozy’s government won’t let you into France. Is he racist?

          • DouroRouro

            Ah. I never made the claim of racism, though, so no, I don’t think that any government is to be considered racist if they are simply enforcing their immigration laws. I don’t think these new laws would be racist in nature either, but some (e.g. the education proposal) are certainly spiteful laws that only manage to negatively affect a small group of immigrants that are hoping to better themselves.

            Separately, if they selectively target a population (as Sarkozy did with the Roma) then yes, that should probably be considered racist.

        • Shannon

          Exactly Steve and we would be expected to live by their rules and speak their language! However, in America they just love to throw the ‘racist’ card around like candy!

      • Ali

        Not that long ago, the Washington Post ran stories about how hard it was for VA students to get into public colleges in the state because these schools were cutting back seats in favor of out-of-state and foreign students who paid higher rates. Why on earth should someone who is here illegally be able to get ANY seat, when there are Americans and legal foreign students who want them? Particularly since one of the key roles of community colleges is to help train and re-train people for the workforce. In case you missed it, illegal aliens cannot legally work.

  • legal

    Where is Juan Tejada?

    • KalashniKEV

      Cooking up new and interesting legislation that would create an excuse for our law enforcement NOT enforcing the law or complying with required procedure.
      (that way they can focus on parking fines and traffic tickets and make $$$)

  • Writing on the wall

    The Cost of “Illegal” Immigrants

    Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
    Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.

    Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.
    Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.
    Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.
    Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631 .00.
    Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

    Jose Illegal receives a $280.00 per family member/ month federal CASHAID for four family members. Jose Illegal has $ 43,200.00.

    Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.
    Jose Illegal says, “We don’t need no stinking’ insurance!” and still has $ 43,200.00.

    Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.
    Jose Illegal has to make his $44,640 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month, ”actually” Jose illegal doesn’t pay for most utilities in many states as he gets county assistance to pay the bills and his late fees”

    Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work. “And pays a higher tax rate if he earns above a certain amount”
    Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

    Joe Legal’s and Jose Illegal’s children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children’s lunches while Jose Illegal’s children get a government sponsored lunch.
    Jose Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program.
    Joe Legal’s children go home.

    Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.
    Do you get it, now?

    • mehoo

      WotW:

      I oppose illegal immigration too, but this post that you probably cut and pasted off the internet is so full of holes and mistakes and unfair assumptions it’s not even funny.

      • Overgrown Bush

        Perhaps. Yet, it still paints a fairly accurate picture of what is really going on regardless of some incorrect numbers, facts, etc. This is what is happening.

        • brif

          how could i have overlooked this gem? it “still paints a fairly accurate picture of what is really going” despite being inaccurate, factually incorrect, and false. I don’t think you got your money’s worth from your “state-funded public college.”

          • Overgrown Bush

            If I waited for every piece of information to be verified 100% and complete I’d be standing around forever floundering to make decisions in life. Indeed I got my money’s worth because I can take information as presented, complete and 100% factual or not, and make a determination as to my opinion. That’s called being able to think. Good luck to you if you need more. Because reading, watching, or listening to the media is only going to give you something similar to a crack high when it comes to complete information. You’ll NEVER get it.

          • mehoo

            Wow. So you just accept unverified, incomplete information and go your merry way? That’s amazing. You’re literally saying you rely on information that you know could be false, and you won’t even bother to check.

          • Overgrown Bush

            I don’t see you checking squat. I merely say I can develop opinion. Do I agree with all he stated. No. Do I think a lot of it has merit and some truth to it and gives an idea of what is going on. Yep. You were likely one of those people I called “book smart” in school. You could ace a test if you memorized the book. But, if the topic was one where you had to apply logic rather than memorize something you’d flounder and have no idea how to survive.

          • mehoo

            You can develop any opinion you want. You can believe the government reads your mind with a chip implanted in your brain, I can’t stop you. Just don’t expect anyone to share it if you back it up with bad facts though. And don’t expect people not to tell you your facts suck either.

            as for all that blather about “book smart,” it’s just an excuse for you to post lies and bullshit and expect nobody to challenge it. Sorry, doesn’t work that way. When something is false, it’s false.

          • Overgrown Bush

            Yet my post isn’t the long one citing all sorts of numbers as facts, is it?

          • DouroRouro

            I can concoct all sorts of numbers, but if they’re not credible, what’s the point?

          • mehoo

            You’re depending on those bad facts for your opinion. And you’re expecting others to accept your opinion even though it’s based on bad facts.

            That’s just pointless.

          • Here go

            BTW, the comments debunking the debunking on that website are just as important. Don’t stop at reading the first part as the argument that individual made against the Joe Legal vs Jose Illegal was to your liking….be sure to read the whoooooole thing.

          • mehoo

            The comments debunking the debunking make the same mistakes, or new ones. For instance, someone says: “You can’t have it both ways. In one statement you say that most illegals do have SSN and pay in. Then in every other case you state they can not get benefits because they don’t have a SSN.” But that’s completely true because their SSN is stolen or fake. The benefits would either go to the real SSN holder, or nobody.

        • mehoo

          It’s not even fairly accurate.

          If someone’s going to this much trouble, they should be completely accurate.

          • Overgrown Bush

            ok. Cite your facts showing accuracy. Otherwise, it is opinion as I stated above. Yet, it is my opinion regardless of your incorrect thoughts otherwise.

          • mehoo

            Huh? You want ME to cite? The person posting the facts in the first place needs to do that.

            In any event, someone has already posted a link debunking this.

          • Overgrown Bush

            Yes, assuming the link is fact. It’s just another link and we don’t really know what is fact and what isn’t. That is my point. We all generate opinion on what we digest.

          • mehoo

            Are you the same guy who just said facts don’t matter?

    • KalashniKEV

      1)Too long- they won’t read it.
      2)Too many numbers- they won’t understand it.
      3)It involves logical reasoning- they don’t posses it.

      Here’s there counter argument: “It’s everyone’s RIGHT to come here and have a better life. They work so HARD. They do jobs we won’t do like GARDENING.”

      *yawn* When the facts don’t support your argument, just find some emotion and SPIN, SPIN, SPIN it to the heavens. Works with Gun Control…

      • mehoo

        Kev – you’re doing that “people who disagree with me are imbeciles” thing again.

        • KalashniKEV

          I hope someone chimes in to prove me wrong. I even gave them a head start on their argument! Let’s hear about the RIGHT to come here b/c “borders are just lines on a map” and “Citizenship is cheap. I have dual citizenship with X”

          Besides, Mexico is currently awash in drugs and murder… as good neighbors we should only let them come-on-over to have “a Better Life.” Maybe we can alleviate the burden by having some more murder over here (sex crimes seem to be popular as well). We all have so much to give, it’s only right that it be seized and redistributed to welfare rats, who aren’t even American Citizens.

          (awwww jeez… now they don’t even need to follow that thread I guess…)

          • brif

            no thanks kev, you can have your straw man all to yourself.

          • KalashniKEV

            Let’s hear about gardening then…

          • DouroRouro

            why, you interested? My parents have a pretty big-sized lot that’ll need tending to in the outer burbs of VA come spring…

    • SouthArlJD

      Maybe you ought to do some real research instead of cutting and pasting from your favorite immigrant-hating site. ANYONE who knows anything about the issue will tell you that the vast majority of illegals working in this country PAY taxes, not only state and local sales and excise taxes, but federal taxes also. There’s ample economic research available for you to tap into to verify this. Their employers withhold taxes. The difference between Joe and Jose is that he’s going to file his tax returns and at the numbers you cited would be unlikely to pay any actual taxes because he’s got exemptions. The only money he would be out is what he pays for Social Security and Medicare, and he’s going to get that and then some back when he hits his mid 60s. On the other hand, Jose does not file tax returns because he’s afraid the feds might realize he’s here and illegal. Jose is also NOT eligible for Social Security or Medicare because he’s illegal. This means that Jose is paying into our entitlements system with no expectation of a return. Having represented numerous illegal aliens over the years I’m aware that this is the case. Most of my clients are employed and have federal taxes deducted from their pay. I’ve seen their paystubs.

      The Rand Corporation did a study a few years ago which concluded that the immigrant haters should watch what they ask for. There are millions of illegal aliens paying into our entitlements system and getting no return and if we suddenly picked all of them up and returned them home this country would lose hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars to fund those entitlements.

      • Westover

        This is actually pretty factual. The average illegal worker probably paid more in Taxes in 2008 then did Charlie Rangle or Marion Berry. ;)

      • Ali

        Quite, quite WRONG. The IRS had to start requiring that you file a tax return before issuing ITINs because it found that 2/3 of those who had the ITIN weren’t paying taxes. The IRS figured that illegal aliens were using the numbers which resembled SSNs to get jobs.

        Illegal aliens who “pay taxes” are DISPLACING AMERICANS from doing so. They are taking jobs that Americans would do, jobs on which AMERICANS would pay SS and taxes. They are NOT adding to our economy or to SS. In fact, since an American would likely earn more and pay more, they’re reducing revenues. Not to mention they’re committing felonies by stealing identities and documents. Of course, the Americans whose identities are stolen are in for a world of hurt, including a visit from the IRS about the money they “earned” but didn’t pay taxes on.

        Of course, your comment about not collecting benefits also means that their only value to the system is as long as they do NOT collect benefits. Were they eligible to collect SS, for example, the system would go bust quicker. Why? Sen. Lamar Smith had the SS Administration run the numbers. Each illegal alien who was legalized would end up costing us a net $15,000 because even legalized, they’d still be uneducated unskilled low wage workers and the system is set up to pay more to such workers in relation to what they pay in than it does to higher wage workers.

        • SouthArlJD

          Hoo boy. I’d like to see THAT rule. Seriously, post a link to it on this site because I’m calling bullshit.

        • SouthArlJD

          p.s., the rest of your statement is ridiculous and demonstrates that you have absolutely no personal knowledge of this issue. You’re just churning talking points from people who know as little as you do but don’t mind making stuff up as they go along.

  • KalashniKEV

    * Their Their Their… my bad!

  • Ya think

    You are right. It would be Josefina Illegal getting the assistance. She would be telling whatever organization that she was single, with 5 hungry anchor babies to feed on her $8.00 salary at Chipotle. Meanwhile, her undeclared husband would be making his bucks tax free….and keeping his wife’s car in his name so she would not have to declare it as an assett which would interfere with her ability to get assisstance.

    • mehoo

      Other than being alot shorter, it’s not much better.

      • Overgrown Bush

        Yet still makes a valid point.

        • mehoo

          If the facts are wrong or unfair, that weakens the case instead of strengthening it.

          • Ya think

            If you don’t have facts to the contrary, just saying it isn’t so does not make it “not so”. Since you seem to be in touch with the “immigrant (illegal) plight”, enlighten us…..

          • brif
          • Chad

            Got to love people like “Writing on the Wall” who just copy/paste some stuff they see on a website. Should at the very least cite your source. Then we would all know how much bs it is.

          • mehoo

            Thanks brif.

            Yet another goofy rightwing internet myth debunked.

    • Ali

      30% of the welfare recipients in California (which has the largest number in the country) live in households headed by illegal aliens. A Los Angeles County supervisor, using county figures, estimated that the county paid about $600 million in assistance to illegal aliens last year–and that’s NOT counting the cost of education.

  • Ya think

    And don’t forget his side job fixing old used cars to sell, or ship back to his country. The property tax of which is paid by the state (taxpayers)in Arlington because they are under the taxable threshhold of $3000. Technically, that is subsidizing his illegal auto business.

  • Juan Rivera

    If those in charge are so eager to punish the children descendent of illegal immigrants, then begin with the descendents of the first illegal immigrants who came to this land and committed genocide against Native American and stole their resources. Then proceeded to enslave other human beings on whose backs this nation was built. Now those descendents of the original illegal immigrants enjoy the riches of this country at the expense of tears, sweat and blood of people of color. “An injust law is no law at all (~The Great Debators)”

    • KalashniKEV

      Now THAT’s a powerful argument right there!

      Too bad any flag or government that existed at that time dissolved or was destroyed. Unfortunately now we have to live under the laws of the United States of America.

      (next)

      • DouroRouro

        How about we change those silly laws currently in place?

        (next)

        • Lou

          We are changing the laws. That’s what this whole article is about. New laws to deal with the illegal immigration problem.

          • DouroRouro

            Except, woops, those laws being proposed are to appease those “AMURRICA IS MAH COUNTRY” folks rather than educated individuals who understand the economics of this country. Also, with the rise of the tea party folks, I’m at a loss as to why they are in such support of MORE laws. I thought it was all about less government, less taxes, more free enterprise?

    • Here go

      Ah yes, this country enslaved people to use, true. But wait a minute, didn’t the Spanish enslave Africans? They were the wholesalers of flesh of choice, the Costco of slave merchandising if I remember correctly (remember the Amistad?).

      • KalashniKEV

        Too many facts! Juan was only looking for emotion off of that one…

      • mehoo

        I saw an interesting show on TV last night where the actor Don Cheadle was getting his ancestry traced. Turns out some of them were slaves owned by Indians (the Chickasaw).

        History is never simple.

      • Juan Rivera

        Ok Here go, yes the Spanish traded slaves and wiped out indigenous people. And they are part of the original illegal immigrants i speak of… so I dont know where your comment adds anything new to what I stated. I myself am a descendent of Maya-pipil, Spanish and African as a result of colonization. And my point is that IF we want to enforce law, we need to do it to everyone, not just the people who came here later than the others or from a particular area of the world.

        • Lou

          What laws were in effect when, I guess is the important question. It’s that whole ex post facto thing.

        • mehoo

          Jaun, if you’re part Spanish and part indigenous, how do we enforce a “illegal immigrant” law for you? Do you have to go back to Spain or not?

          • Juan

            Start with reparations for my enslaved and murdered ancestors and then you can deport me to spain once I get paid…. Hope my suggestions is helpful with your inquiry.
            (when you ask a stupid question you get a stupid answer)

    • mehoo

      Nobody wants to “punish” illegal immigrants, Juan.

      • Overgrown Bush

        That’s right. We just want to send them home so they don’t suck our society dry.

        • DouroRouro

          Your ignorance is sucking our poor society dry. All that knowledge, lost! I demand my tax dollars be spent NOT educating ignorant people like you! OUTRAGE!! LESS GUB’MINT!

          • Overgrown Bush

            I’d place a nice wager on my education being more advanced than yours. And that is, yes, thanks to state-funded public college several times over. America is a great place, and the benefits of it should be for those here legally and not sucked away from those of us who deserve the opportunity.

          • DouroRouro

            Now that I think about it, it’s unfortunate that ALL that education, Dr. Bush, has gone to such waste…

          • DouroRouro

            I have a master’s degree from a great state school, actually – so is it safe to assume you have a doctorate?

          • Overgrown Bush

            Congrats DouroRouro. I have two MS degrees from a state school, and a BS degree. It is nice to see we have some educated folks on ARLnow.

          • mehoo

            Dueling degrees! Two Master’s beats one Master’s. Unless OG’s degrees are in sociology and art or something like that and DR’s is in nuclear engineering. Then DR wins because he can build cool stuff and blow up things.

          • Overgrown Bush

            mehoo, mine are closer to nuke degrees than they are to art. That, of course, makes me as dumb as a box of rocks in an art discussion.

          • DouroDouro

            Looks like I’ll need to go back to get a second Masters to compete with Mr. Bush :(

      • KalashniKEV

        I do!

        • mehoo

          Nobody who isn’t an angry paranoid rightwing racist wants to “punish” illegal immigrants, Jaun.

        • DouroRouro

          Yay!! Let’s attack those less fortunate than us because it gives us a false sense of superiority!

      • brif

        it’s funny, all this hatred and contempt for “illegal immigrants” and yet not one harsh word for the legal americans who hire them. Why hasn’t anyone in this thread mentioned or discussed increasing enforcement/punishment for employers who hire “illegal immigrants?”

        • DT

          Probably because the citation we are responding to has nothing to do with that.

        • Lou

          I’ve stopped eating at Chipotle, that’s my contribution.

        • Overgrown Bush

          That is a good point. Laws are beginning to be enforced in this regard.

          On a personal note, I no longer give discarded items and clothing to charities I deem as “illegal friendly”, but rather I seek out those where I know the items will do good and likely be provided to illegals. I would suggest we not only look at business employing them, but also our daily practices which are supporting them. Dry up their free ride and maybe they go somewhere else.

          • jan

            don’t kid yourself. Most of those items are put into containers and shipped overseas to be re-sold at 3rd world markets.

          • Overgrown Bush

            Yeah. If I donate a jacket to the Goodwill store on Columbia Pike I’ll see it on a worker hanging outside of 7-Eleven the following week. That is for sure.

    • DT

      They aren’t descendants of illegal immigrants, they are illegal themselves. If they are born here, they are citizens and don’t have to worry about the new laws. Also, if you have to go back hundreds of years to make a point, you don’t have one.

      • Juan Rivera

        Then why the ‘F’ do you think we have holidays celebrating independence, presidents, veterans and wars??? you think those things happened 10 years ago?? Things that happened thousands of years ago are extremely relevant and important to make points. That is why things like history, math and philosophy are still studied in school…. Duuhhh!!

    • Here go

      And remember, South and Central America is the result of the Spanish wiping out the indigineous as well. All of our ancestral hands are dirty, and we all come from “glass nurseries”, so careful throwing that stone about….

      • Steve

        Does your liberal guilt ever end?

        Every group has brutalized and has been brutalized. Why do you give a pass to everyone who isn’t european?

        There would have been NO slave trade at all if Africans didn’t willingly capture other africans and give them to traders. Yet liberal guilt lefties always ignore this, and that slavery still exists in Africa and the middle east today…

        Your liberal guilt gets old really fast, and nobody else should have to pay for your guilt. See a psychologist if you cannot handle it, don’t make society have to pay for your guilt.

        • local

          Steve,

          Read it carefully. He’s not doing the “liberal guilt” thing. Get that knee checked, it’s jerking alot.

  • Juan Rivera

    By the way… since a lot of you dont seem to get it. Let me break it down. Nobody, no matter your ethnic background, is to blame for what happened in the past. And that is why I dissagree with making children pay for something their parents did. However, let it be clear that even though noone is responsible for the events in the past, EVERYONE is responsible for the present and bringing about true justice in the present and fix the mistakes of the past by caring and nurturing our future (children) not punishing our future (children) for our generations mistakes and irresponsible deeds

    • Here go

      Actually, I think that this is just what causes such a knee-jerk reaction amongst the populace. Americans (native-born or naturalized) are worrying about our future and our children’s future. This is a country of laws, period, and we all should be held to them. In addition, no one group should have special status over others just because they happen to have the luxury of walking here and remaining invisible, instead of having to fly and not being able to avoid declaring themselves at customs.

    • Here go

      And, by the way, this has all come about because of mistakes in the past (2 sweeping amnesty declarations for illegals) which this country is now tripping over itself trying to fix.

      • DouroRouro

        No, it’s come about because 1) the current laws don’t make any sense and 2) the economy is bad so illegals are obviously the scapegoats. If the economy was doing wonderfully, nobody would be complaining about the cheap labor.

        • Overgrown Bush

          We’d just be focused on the 15 people living in a two bedroom house with twelve cars parked on the front lawn.

          • Here go

            Amen to that. You must have driven by neighbor’s house recently.

          • southie

            +1

        • Here go

          The laws don’t make sense?
          1) Overstay your visa = breaking the law
          2) Cross the border with no documents, false documents, without declaring
          yourself = breaking the law
          Pretty clear to me.

          Oh, wait, you mean the fact that they are in english renders them nonsensical!

          • DouroRouro

            I meant that current immigration policy is unrealistic in that it doesn’t address our present situation, with millions of illegals in this country, many of whom have been here for a decade or more. Attempting to deport them all (as delightful as it sounds, I’m sure) doesn’t make sense. Beef up border security and enforcement – I’m very much in favor of that – but stop pretending like these state policies are doing more good than bad. Why feel the need to penalize individuals who want to study and become productive members of society? People love to claim that illegals are leechers – how is this representative of that?

            If I have to spell things out for you, perhaps you need to go back to grade school.

          • AZZI9

            Here.
            White contractors that hire them for day labor = breaking the law…
            Where’s the spotlight on the cause of the illegals being here. Everyone is screaming about the illegals being here but why are they here??? I don’t know about you but I’ve always had to fill out paperwork, to work a job… Where did it go wrong with the illegals?

          • Westover

            I’ll tell you, many work under the SSN’s and identity of legal residents and citizens. A few years ago mutilple people were working under my social security number, and there was even tax and social security withholdings taken from their pay checks. It appeared that I was making three times my salary in 2004. Will be interesting to see if I can collect on those people’s work when I get social security in 30 years.

        • KalashniKEV

          No room for rats and leeches in this economy. IT’S TIME FOR A ROUND-UP!!!

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

          • The Noze Bros

            “operation … to remove about one million illegal immigrants”
            “over 50,000 illegal aliens were caught in [AZ and CA]”
            “80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas”

            Targeted 1,000,000; apprehended ~130,000 (13%). Doesn’t sound too successful.

          • DouroRouro

            This is too easy, but.. why are you here, then?

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremism

        • Here go

          The bad economy was not the impetus for all the anti-ILLEGAL immigrant rhetoric. I think it is the 50 illegals loitering in front of the doors of the Home Depot, or the 7-eleven, or the 500 along Little River Turnpike all day long. It is the tilting point which has people noticing. If it was a few thousand illegals, you would here nothing about. But 12 million???? Houston, I think we have a problem…..

    • Ali

      Juan, at age 18, these “children” are responsible for their own immigration status. And it is up to them and their parents to deal with the mess the parents created. It is NOT up to us to reward the parents’ initial bad judgment or the child’s subsequent bad judgment. Furthermore, if the parents can manage to come to a country they don’t know, and whose language they don’t know, and to do it ILLEGALLY, then there’s no earthly reason why their kids, who are after all citizens of their home country, can’t return THERE.

  • Juan Rivera

    Alright ya’ll I had my fun making some of you upset already, so let me get out of this blog and go make a real difference in the world. I wish health, peace and hope to everyone here. Be good… I’m out!

    • The Noze Bros

      Juan Rivera says: “I had my fun making some of you upset already…”

      You don’t make me upset, just sad, if that is indeed how you get your fun. I trust you are a kinder person in real life than you are on an anonymous blog.

      • Juan Rivera

        Most of my fun I get dancing, although I must say i do get a kick out of making arrogant and truly unkind people who care little to nothing about other human beings, get upset and expose their ignorance as they attempt to defend immoral deeds.
        By the way, try to quote positive as well as negative comments of mine… I also wished you health and peace, but of course your mind is so focused on negativity you missed that part of my comment.

      • Juan

        A friend said this: WHAT MAKES A MAN GREAT, IS NOT HIS ABILITY TO DESTROY HIS FELLOW MAN, BUT THE RICH-DEPTH OF HIS WISDOM AND ABILITY, TO ALWAYS SEEK THE GOOD IN HIS FELLOW HUMANS.

  • Steve

    The author should change the title, as it is MISLEADING. They are protesting for rights for illegal immigrants. This has no bearing on legal immigrants.

    Are you deliberately trying to mislead readers?

  • AZZI9

    Wow. Nobody has a problem with HB 2332… Looks like most of you have never been outside of Arlington where all it takes is a GED and not much else to be the law. I gotta carry my passport and birth certificate everywhere I go now??? This portion of the law is asking for trouble.

    • Jason S

      I’ve even heard that once you hit Falls Church, they have open sewers running down the street like some barbarian country.

      • AZZI9

        Spend some time out in Madison County and tell me I’m wrong. That’s “God’s Country” out there…

    • Ali

      Virginia now requires proof of legal residency in order to get a driver’s license. If you have one of those (or, possibly, a state ID), you don’t need the rest, although these days, you can get a passport CARD.

      • AZZZ

        Really… this is what its coming to. I came name a couple of 20th century “Regimes” where its citizens were required to “Show Your Papers.” That’s America now.

        • Jake

          You don’t need any papers to walk down the street. But you need something to show that you are who you say you are and that you are entitled to get a drivers license. How can that be compared to what you are talking about?

  • SouthArlJD

    I notice no one is talking about how freakin’ EXPENSIVE these ridiculous bills would be for our sheriffs and police departments. Seriously, they’re supposed to hold people they “suspect” of being illegal? What a stupid, stupid idea.

    • Ali

      Not all that “stupid”. If the police who made a traffic stop on one of the 9/11 terrorists had held him, who knows how 9/11 might have turned out? But, the terrorists had valid driver’s licenses, including one from Virginia, gotten with the assistance of other, Hispanic, illegal aliens. (And yes, the 9/11 terrorists were illegal aliens. They committed fraud to get visas which they then overstayed.)

    • Westover

      They are supposed to check EVERYONE, and refer those whos IDs don’t check out to INS or CBP or whoever in the DHS monstrosity takes care of these things these days.

  • Westover

    I don’t see HB 1934 or HB 1421, as being Constitutional. And generally they are just kind of mean spirited feel good bills. On the other hand I can not see why anyone who is not a crimminal or the family member of a crimminal would be opposed to HB 2332.

    • AZZI9

      You’d be opposed to 2332 is you were say… Brown or look like an immigrant. Even if that person is a lawful, patriotic, decent American.

      • Westover

        Why? Such a question would be asked universally. Many would be surprised at how many illegal western European immigrants we have in this country. They come on vacation or for school, and just don’t leave. The number of Canadians who stay without work visas is pretty high too. I know three Brits in the DC area who have over stayed their Visas. Frankly they are contributing to society pretty nicely, but should they misbehave to the point it brings the cops, I don’t have a problem with their residency status being checked and the authorities showing them the door.

  • mehoo

    Interesting history: Cesar Chavez, the leader of the movement for farm labor, once marched to the Mexican border to protest illegal immigrants taking striking workers’ jobs in 1969, and some civil rights leaders marched with him. Chavez even turned some illegals in to the INS.

  • Ya Wohl

    only 12 million illegals? Nothing a few cattle cars, a camp, and some sadistic guards wouldn’t be able to clear up. Let’s se, where is my Nazi handbook……

    • Westover

      Why would you want to throw that into this? Hopefully the powers that be will erase your comment.

      • local

        I think he’s being sarcastic. But he ought to learn to spell in German.

        • Westover

          Using the Holocaust for sarcasm destroys your case as much as using it from the other side. Even before the PC police entered the world it was the wrong thing to do.

          • Ali

            Ah, but the PC crowd use exactly the same imagery to claim that enforcing immigration laws and deporting illegal aliens is comparable to the Holocaust.

          • Westover

            And when they do, they should be called out as well. And when I see it, I do. These people have it tough, no doubt about it, but it does not come close to the hell that took my great grandparents and that which my grandmother had to endure just to live long enough to get to this country.

          • AZZZ

            No denying that illegal immigration is a tough problem. But 2332 is added power to the cops. Nazism and communist Russia is what I’m thinking of when I see stuff like this. The illegal immigration stuff will work itself out but this BS 2332 is unnecessary and really scary. Land of the free Virginia is not if this portion of the bill passes.

          • Westover

            You can not compare the running of everyone’s status when arrested to randomly checking folks papers in the street. We run crimminal histories on those arrested, what harm is there in checking status too?

          • AZZZ

            For you West it won’t be a problem. But for the brown folks and those that look illegal, no matter their status, they’re guaranteed extra scrutiny. Is that fair? Like you said before, you know 3 brits that are illegal, what’s the chance that they get extra scrutiny? 100% chance that 3 mexican looking dudes get the extra questions.

          • Jake

            What extra scrutany? Everyone will go into the computer, either you come up legal or you don’t. If you come up legal, nothing happens in your booking that would not happen otherwise. If you don’t come up legal they will let ICE know and they will check deeper if you claim legal status, or process you further if you don’t deny it. There will not be anywhere in the process that anyone gets any less scrutany than anyone else.

          • AZZZ

            “The bill further provides that when a warrantless arrest is made and the law-enforcement officer finds probable cause to believe that the person is not legally present in the United States, he shall communicate to the judicial officer the facts and circumstances underlying his belief”

            The part about the officer finding probable cause… that’s what I’m worried about. Fine when you’re in “civilized” Arlington, what happens say in Lynchburg, or Danville, or Manassas?

          • AZZZ

            Ask the blacks how that probable cause is working out for them…

    • Overgrown Bush

      Jawohl, and you are clearly not a Nazi since you don’t know German.

  • Ali

    ‘We cannot create a permanent underclass of marginalized young people who are not allowed to continue to their education,’ she said. ‘These students work hard to pay for their education… Will we close the door to them now?’
    ———
    WE don’t do that. They and their parents do that to themselves. If you want a college education, well, look to your home country. The WSJ this week reported that America’s community colleges are overcrowded with people seeking to train and re-train for jobs. The last thing we need to do is to take seats and jobs away from citizens.

  • Westover

    Or it is a sign that our rules for immigration have not kept up with reality.

  • MC

    I fail to see any harm in allowing a foreign national to take classes at NOVA paying out of state tuition, which is hardly a bargain basement price. I’ve taken classes at NOVA and can report that there are many people there from other countries taking classes, it it makes the experience very enriching for all. Whether the foreign national is here legally or not is hardly NOVA’s concern: they only need to determine if someone is a legal Virginia resident who qualifies for in-state tuition, or out-of-state, which includes foreign.

    I am also amazed how a group of private citizens, talking at a private venue (a church) can whip up such acrimony in these comments. They are entitled to their views, and I’m glad they at least are thinking about whether some of the more crazy ideas coming from Richmond lawmakers are even constitutional.

  • Overgrown Bush

    Sadly, in the news from last night…. It is not yet clear why this illegal immigrant was not deported in 2002. TBD story if anyone wants to continue to get updated info.

    MANASSAS, Va. — Manassas City police have charged a 37-year-old illegal immigrant with three counts of first-degree murder in connection with a Thursday night killing spree at two homes.

    Jose Oswaldo Reyes Alfaro had a relationship with all of the victims, but investigators are not sure if he was related by blood. He is the only suspect, police said.

    “There is no continuing threat to our community,” said Manassas City police Chief Douglas W. Keen, who added, “there is no evidence at this time to believe that this is gang-related.”

    Police were called to the 9200 block of Hood Road in Manassas about 7:30 p.m. Responding officer found four people who had been shot. Two of them, 56-year-old Brenda Ashcraft and 37-year-old William Ashcraft, died. Two others, a 34-year-old woman and a 15-year-old girl, were shot. One remains hospitalized in critical condition.

    About 20 minutes later, police were called to another shooting a few blocks away, in the 9600 block of Brent Street. Officers found the body of 48-year-old Julio Cesar Ulloa. They also discovered a 77-year-old woman with a knife wound to the head.

    Witnesses provided police with a description of a vehicle leaving the scene. About an hour later, Prince William County police spotted the vehicle, stopped it and took the driver, Reyes, into custody. He is being questioned, police said.

    Police described Reyes as an El Salvadoran native who entered the U.S. illegally and was scheduled to be deported in 2002. It was not immediately clear why he had not been deported, as scheduled.

    Lawrence Robinson, a friend of the victims, was stunned and shocked after learning about the shooting, he told ABC7 News.

    “At this place and time, there’s really no words to speak about somebody getting a shot in a rampage,” he said.

    A helicopter airlifted one of the victims from nearby Osbourn High School, The News & Messenger reported.

    The first shooting involved members of a well-liked family who has lived for more than 20 years in the city of about 36,500 people outside the nation’s capital, the newspaper reported.

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