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Tejada: No Chance of In-State Tuition for Illegal Immigrants

by ARLnow.com | May 9, 2011 at 11:27 am | 3,437 views | 179 Comments

Arlington County Board Member Walter Tejada would like to see the children of illegal immigrants in Virginia offered in-state tuition at public universities — but he’s not kidding himself.

On WAMU’s Kojo Nnamdi Show, Tejada said that Virginia Republicans, including Gov. Bob McDonnell and Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, would never support such a plan.

“I don’t think that there’s a chance right now [given] the political environment,” Tejada said.

A woman who called into the show questioned the wisdom of granting illegal immigrant children in-state college tuition when they would be unable to legally obtain a job in the United States.

The children of illegal immigrants still must go through the same college admission process as other students, Tejada argued. He said that illegal immigrant children should be given the same opportunities as the children of legal Virginia residents.

“We have the best and the brightest — some who are valedictorians — we are not allowing them to continue their education,” Tejada said. “It is wrong.”

Tejada says that he supports comprehensive immigration reform.

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  • dynaroo

    It’s wrong for people to bring their kids to a country illegally and put them in that situation in the first place.

    • Josh S

      You’re kidding right?

      No, honey, we have to stay in this Third World slum drinking water out of the sewer because the ArlNow commenters think that moving to America, where you’d have the opportunity to get a good education and live in more sanitary conditions, is wrong.

      “Wrong” in what sense of the word?

      • JoshR

        Wrong in the sense that you are not fixing your own country and instead are taking advantage of our system illegally.

        Life isn’t fair and nothing in this world is free. There is a difference between charity and being taken advantage of. We are being taken advantage of.

        Immigrate legally and I imagine the number of people who take issue would be much lower.

      • dynaroo

        I didn’t say they can’t come here. The law does. You think the law should be changed, go petition Congress. I might agree.

        I’m saying it’s wrong to put your kids in a situation where they have no legal status.

        These aren’t refugees. If they came to the border and asked to enter legally without a visa, yes, they’d be turned away. Does a country have the right to control who enters its borders, or not? Should it follow its own laws, or not?

      • KalashniKEV

        Don’t be a fool. The parents of these children put them incredibly AT RISK by pursuing this path of Criminal Behavior. They know what’s in ultimately in store for them before they choose to do wrong- pursuit, detention, and deportation. They choose the easy path because they have no consideration for their children and would rather free load off the US than work to improve conditions in their home countries. The kids to them are nothing more than meal tickets to increase the level of benefits paid out by the welfare state.

      • dynaroo

        Josh,

        Suppose you come home today and some poor homeless family has taken up residence in your home. You tell them to leave, and they say “what? We have to go back to drinking water out of a sewer because you think moving into your home, where we’d have an opportunity to live in more sanitary conditions, is wrong.”

        • Josh S

          dynaroo, meet Straw Man, Straw Man, meet dynaroo. What? You say you’ve already met?

          • dynaroo

            Not a straw man at all, Josh.

            A country has a right to control who enters it, even if they are poor sewage-drinking wretches. We are not obligated to let them in. Maybe we should, but we are not obligated.

          • Josh S

            Actually, your “theoretical” about a homeless family taking up residence in my home is a straw man. It’s an absurdity that has only tangential relation to the argument at hand.

            Certainly anonymous internet discussion boards almost beg for such rhetorical flourishes. Still.

      • Father Santiago

        The issues are “will” and “responsibility” which according to Octavio Paz are weak characteristics of the folks in Latin America. The Latins should stay in Latin America and focus on making Latin America a great place. But that requires
        will and responsibility. I fear that Simon’ Bolivar was right. He found Latin America to be ungovernable and that emigration was the only rational response. Unfortunately, and as could be expected, Latin Americans like Walter Tejada , bring their self-defeating culture with them. That is not good for any of us. We wrongly then become responsible for them because they can not be responsible for themselves.

      • Brynn

        TO: Josh S.
        No, YOU are kidding, right? Not many, if ANY, have a problem with immigrants coming here LEGALLY! The country from which they come has LAWS and so does the USA. As citizens WE have to abide by them, why shouldn’t ANYONE else who comes here?

        • Josh S

          My reaction was to the framing of the issue as if it was a bad parenting decision. The condescension, and insensitivity of the remark seemed absurd to me.

          The business of “we have to abide by laws, so should others” is just tired, to me. Laws are flouted and ignored by a wide range of actors in society. If you’re gonna stand up on a soap box and rage against law breakers, you better be squeaky clean yourself and you might also consider raging against law breakers whose actions are far more harmful to society than illegal immigrants.

          • dynaroo

            So if I go 10 mph over the speed limit, I can’t condemn anyone else who breaks the law?

            Or is it just the particular law in question? I follow all immigration laws. I don’t sneak into other countries without a visa.

            As for “raging” against those who are more harmful, that’s a classic “defining deviancy down” fallacy. The topic is illegal immigration. I’m happy to condemn murder, rape, and assault if you want though — wait, am I allowed to do that?

          • dynaroo

            And yeah, it’s a bad parenting decision to bring your children into another country illegally and expose them to the consequences of that. Obviously.

          • Josh S

            Obivously? OBVIOUSLY?
            Really?
            Obviously?
            My guess, and it’s just a guess, is that the situation that compells a family to uproot itself, move hundreds or thousands of miles away to a strange country, endure whatever hardships and risks are involved in making the journey (drowning, dying of exposure, rape, theft, assault, etc.) – that situation must be fairly dire. Dire enough, I’m guessing, that STAYING in it could perhaps ALSO be labeled a “bad parenting decision” – should one be as arrogant and obnoxious enough to go around and make judgments on the decisions of others whom you have never met.

          • KalashniKEV

            Oh, puh-lease… Whether the children are pre-existing or used as anchors it’s pretty safe to say that taking up a life of crime is a bad decision… so yes, OBVIOUSLY. It may be more lucrative to invade and take all the bennies we provide, but it’s still morally wrong. What would you say to a natural born, law abiding parent who chose to sell drugs because it’s more lucrative? “No problem” so long as they use the money to benefit their family?

            And what kind of morals are these people instilling in their children?

          • madisonmanor

            Okay – so let’s say you have a bad situation here (lost job, health issues – whatever). Would you maybe move to Richmond or even Jacksonville – heck, even California – or would you try to sneak illegally into Germany to better the situation? Which decision is a better moral choice to present to your children? Sorry, but his point is obvious to me.

          • KalashniKEV

            This is crystal clear to anyone with a decent upbringing, or the most basic sense of morality.

          • madisonmanor

            Oh, so you must be the moron who illegally passed me on the Patrick Henry Drive bridge over I-66 because I was doing the speed limit (25 mph). Laws are for *OTHER* people. :rolleyes:

          • dynaroo

            I didn’t say I go over the speed limit, I was using myself as a hypothetical. I hate speeding jerks too.

          • madisonmanor

            Sorry dynaroo – meant for Josh S, not you. In response to his “The business of “we have to abide by laws, so should others” is just tired, to me.” comment.

          • Westover

            Sorry, not to take away from the FACT that the speed limit on Patrick Henry Drive is 25mph, (and except for small segments of Washington Blvd, is 25mph throughout Westover) and we would all appriciate if everyone would respect this. We have folks crossing Wash. Blvd in the village, and kids crossing Wash Blvd and Patrick Henry Blvd at Swanson Jr. HS and Westover Pre-school, as well as 11th street by Westover Park, and generally kids playing on all the side streets. Just because there is a double yellow line, it does not mean that you can speed up and not expect kids to run out into the street.

          • Westover

            Madison Manor, maybe you should just stick to crossing I-66 on the Ohio Drive/McKinley Road bridge. ;)

            Hopefully you are not the guy in the Suburu trying to enforce the law yourself cutting off folks in Westover and Dominon Hills…. If not you, who ever it is, notice has been taken by many neighbors over your curseing rants and attempted illegal detainments….

          • madisonmanor

            No – people who cut others off are no better than the speeding jerks – the only weapon in my arsenal is to obey the speed limits – and to stop for pedestrians. The illegal passing also happened 2 years ago to me on the McKinley bridge as well (I use both depending on where I was coming). I usually just have to put up with tailgating and horn honking (especially when I have the audacity to stop for a pedestrian legally crossing and already in a crosswalk).

        • Arlington, Northside

          Brynn, the problem is, once we hit the 10K unskilled Visa limit each year, the rest of those that want to work are cut off, or they have to sneak in, thus being labled Illegal Immigrants. Unfortunately, it is near impossible for an unskilled worker from south of our Border to come here legally.

    • FFX CO

      You just have to imagine what extreme situation makes them do that. Consider yourself blessed that you do not have to run to Mexico to escape political or social hardship

      • http://www.exactcom.com.au/proofs/KombiPics/Wrecks/bayBushOvergrown.jpg Overgrown Bush

        Blessed, but still unwilling to pay their way.

        • DDog

          I’m unwilling to pay their way. I am willing to send their family back from the country they left. Don’t let the door hit them as they leave.

  • steve

    Thank God the liberals haven’t completely infested VA like they have with maryland.

    • dynaroo
      • http://www.exactcom.com.au/proofs/KombiPics/Wrecks/bayBushOvergrown.jpg Overgrown Bush

        Indeed, but he did just get Bin Laden. We all saw what GW’s ratings were immediately after 9/11 and then reality set it. Reality will set in with Obama too. To what extent is yet to be seen. I know if he takes one more penny in tax from me I will be kicking him to the doorstep with my vote.

        • dynaroo

          I’m not naive enough to believe early polls like this won’t change. It was just fun that it came out a few days before steve’s comment. It also reminded him that Obama won Virginia in 2008.

          Yes, reality will set in — for both sides.

          And Obama hasn’t raised your taxes. Last time I checked, he went along with the extension of the massive Bush tax cuts. Reality setting in.

          • http://www.exactcom.com.au/proofs/KombiPics/Wrecks/bayBushOvergrown.jpg Overgrown Bush

            Reality should set in for both sides. The two-party system is dividing the country big time.

            Indeed Obama has stayed with the wise Bush cuts. He knows if he more heavily taxes those the economy relies upon he will be cutting his own throat. Yet, at some point, he has to endear himself to his constituants who want the money to spend, spend, spend. Stay the course Barak and maybe I stay with you. Take another dime and you are on my sh*t list and get kicked to the curb.

  • Person

    “He said that illegal immigrant children should be given the same opportunities as the children of legal Virginia residents.”

    Anyone NOT outraged by that statement needs to rethink the way they look at things.

    • Rick

      I’d love to hear someone else say why this is a good idea. If you’re smart enough to be in a position to go to college in the first place (not as easy as it used to be), you should maybe focus on getting your papers in order

    • DudeGuy

      +100

    • steve

      Liberals cannot t hink logically. They just want what they want. In this, they’ll get voters for life if they give handouts at someone else’s expense.

      • dynaroo

        Hey steve, please stop.

        • KalashniKEV

          It just needs a tie in- the classic liberal mantra “It’s for the Children!!!” is what Tejada is reaching for… he’s just sad that not everyone in VA will fall for his smokescreen. His true agenda has already been made clear.

          • Hattie McDaniels

            This is rich coming from the side that denies evolution, thinks 95% of climate scientists are part of a conspiracy and believes gays “choose” their orientation. Tells how conservatives arrive at these ‘facts’.

          • dynaroo

            Don’t forget that Obama was born in Kenya.

          • dynaroo

            As soon as one ridiculous conspiracy goes to hell, you guys just make up a new one.

          • KalashniKEV

            Here’s another one… Kojo Nnamdi’s real name is Rex Paul (Fact)… is he Ron Paul’s long lost brotha, and thus Uncle to Rand Paul?

          • dynaroo

            Kinda lame. You have a much better imagination than that. Kick it up a notch.

          • KalashniKEV

            I’ll try… Ron Paul’s mom was a KGB spy with an anthropology degree who got hired to travel the world working in a field she knew nothing about as a cover for spreading worldwide socialism. In the process she had unpro with multiple third worlders and gave birth to the one chosen, blessed individual who could spread the tenets of socialism to the American audience via the best radio show ever to air on NPR. He had to change his name when he arrived in this country to hide his roots though after her cover was blown.

          • PhilL

            Did you just call him an Uncle Paul?

          • Arlington, Northside

            Come on now, how about the liberals that believe that W and Dick Cheny were behind 9/11 and that the auto manufactures and oil companies have been hideing a 100 mpg car that runs on water for the last fifty years….

            Both sides have their fringes.

          • http://blacknell.net/dynamic MB

            Yeah, but only one side puts theirs in power.

          • dynaroo

            Difference is that the left-wing fringe stays on the fringe. The right-wingers eagerly welcome theirs. And their “fringe” is alot bigger: nearly half of all Republicans recently said they believe Obama wasn’t born in the U.S.

          • KalashniKEV

            Sorry… not from that side. I’m not a Conservative.

          • dynaroo

            We know.

          • dynaroo

            Yet another straw man.

        • KalashniKEV

          oops, my comment ended up at the bottom…

  • http://www.exactcom.com.au/proofs/KombiPics/Wrecks/bayBushOvergrown.jpg Overgrown Bush

    Children of illegals should not be here in the first place, so they deserve squat.

    • dynaroo

      I have mixed feelings about it, since they are children and didn’t actually commit any crime – their parents did. Still, I agree that it’s not obvious that they deserve everything a legal resident does like Tejada seems to think.

      • http://www.exactcom.com.au/proofs/KombiPics/Wrecks/bayBushOvergrown.jpg Overgrown Bush

        Here’s an idea: When the illegal parents apply for in-state tuition for their child send INS over to the residence for deportation. Maybe that will teach future illegals that the thing they need to do to provide properly for their children is to come into this country legally.

        • dynaroo

          But is there anything in a college application asking if you’re a legal resident of the U.S., as opposed to a state? If not, I’m not sure how this issue even comes up. You don’t seem to have to prove citizenship or legal residency in order to get into college in the first place, so how do they know when they apply for in-state tuition?

          • http://www.exactcom.com.au/proofs/KombiPics/Wrecks/bayBushOvergrown.jpg Overgrown Bush

            Let’s see… they’ve skirted the law and are in the country illegally. Yeah…they wiould check a box on a college application saying they were not a legal resident. Get real! Your point is valid however. How do we catch the snakes in the grass? Maybe the Navy SEALs need some training opportunities.

            I think proof of parent’s citizenship, or otherwise show proof of a “legal” applicant, needs to be incorporated.

          • dynaroo

            It’s not just about checking a box though – I presume in-staters need to provide documentation that they’re in-state. So do applicants have to provide documentation of U.S. legal residency already? If not, how do we know it’s happening in the first place? Or is someone proposing to check legal U.S. residency along with state residency?

          • http://www.exactcom.com.au/proofs/KombiPics/Wrecks/bayBushOvergrown.jpg Overgrown Bush

            That’s what I’m proposing. Check legal US residency.

          • dynaroo

            And again, the children didn’t skirt the law, the parents did. Some children of illegals may not even know they aren’t legal.

          • http://www.exactcom.com.au/proofs/KombiPics/Wrecks/bayBushOvergrown.jpg Overgrown Bush

            Your point is?

          • dynaroo

            That we should think about this more carefully.

          • DDog

            Some children of illegals may not even know they aren’t legal? Okay? Who’s fault is that?

            The children will suffer the consequences because of the parents. Again, who’s fault is it?

            I’m all for sending them back home……all of them.

          • dynaroo

            It’s the parents’ fault. But not the childrens’ fault. Congratulations, you got the point, sort of.

          • DDog

            Sounds like you missed the point. Send them ALL back. I don’t care whose fault it was…..that was my point.

          • MC 703

            Whether you think they should be receiving in-state tuition or not (I don’t) the “send em all back” argument is a waste of time. You can’t send 14M or whatever it is now back. The cow has left the barn. Some may be gaming the system and here to take advantage, but most are working, albeit illegally, and if you send 14M semi-skilled workers out, we would be in a pretty good pickle.

            Focus on closing the loop now, improving border security, and going after the employers (corporations as well as small business owners) are the more common sense approach here.

            And still, no in-state tuition please. Unless they serve in the military like some of my friends did and that’s how they got their ROTC scholarships or GI Bill tuition benefits.

          • http://www.exactcom.com.au/proofs/KombiPics/Wrecks/bayBushOvergrown.jpg Overgrown Bush

            MC703: They are breaking the law, and if the penalty for this crime is deportation, they should ALL be deported. That said, i do agree with you it will be difficult to round them all up. BUT, a round up is what should happen. When one of them breaks a law, arrest them and deport them. When a rogue employer gets raided, deport all caught in the raid. Make it very difficult for these people to work or commit crime without being deported and the flow across the boarder will subside. If we keep making it easy for these people we’re doomed economically.

          • franks

            The question of citizenship is on every college application. If a student needs financial aid, they must submit a valid SSN. Therein lies the rub.

  • TMP

    And what of the LEGAL citizen who grew up outside of Virginia? Aren’t they more entitled to a break than someone who is in the country illegally? I’m appalled that we have such a broken immigration system that on one hand we don’t know who’s in the country illegally, but on the other hand we have politicians trying to give those we do know about drivers licenses and in-state tuition rather than enforcing our laws. It would be a non-issue if people just immigrated into the country legally. Bending the rules for those who don’t is an insult to both natural born citizens and those who played by the rules by immigrating legally.

    • Arlington, Northside

      Unless you are coming from Europe with a degree in hand, unfortunately the current quota system makes it very tough a for unskilled worker from latin America to get into our country legally to work.

      • Arlwhenever

        There are about a million foreign students in this country legally with student visas. No quotas for education, you just got to comply with the rules, It’s simple to get a student visa.

        • Arlington, Northside

          Those folks pay full tuition right now. The issue is the kids raised in the Commonwealth who had no say in the matter of if they come to America or stay in their country of citizenship when they came as young minors with their parents.

          • TMP

            Then their parents are teaching them a life lesson in that your actions in life may have consequences for others.

      • dynaroo

        So does that justify coming here illegally?

        • Arlington, Northside

          Seeing as we only offer up 10K visas a year for the unskilled, yet our hospitality industry goes out of the country to heavily recruit workers for their 20+ million jobs that need to be filled, there is obviously a need for that comprehensive immigration reform. Does it justify coming here illegally? Not really sure, but the facts sure make it understandable why it happens in such high numbers.

          • Vinh An Nguyen

            Or the hospitality industry coule pay better wages so that native-born Americans will do the work.

          • dynaroo

            Part of the way to raise those wages is to get rid of illegals who take them and depress the wages.

          • Arlington, Northside

            You willing to pay $500 a night to stay at the EconoLodge? $1000+ a night to stay at the Hilton? If the industry could pay better wages and still stay in business, they would.

          • dynaroo

            If Americans were earning better wages, they could pay the hotels more. You know what Henry Ford said about wages, right?

          • Arlington, Northside

            Yes, but economies of scale pay off much easier in manufactureing than in the hospitality or other service industries. The jobs pay what they do because that is the amount that can be paid and still maintain a profit. Illegals are not coming in and undercutting what they will take, they are accepting what they can get.

          • dynaroo

            No, I don’t believe you can simply declare that they’re paying as much as they possibly can.

          • landaddy

            Do you really believe those business pass that savings on to the customers? Would you like to buy this bridge I have for sale in Brooklyn?

          • Arlington, Northside

            Pass on the Savings? HECK YES! They lose potential income when rooms are not filled, they will price rooms at a rate that they think will sell them. When they do not have a room filled you can negotiate an open room up to a point. What they do is ensure that they are covering their costs before setting the price. You are only going to get a room at the price you want to pay if they are not going to take a loss.

          • MC 703

            I doubt that they pass on those savings, but I know for sure that they would have no trouble passing on the increased costs to the consumer.

            Look at the big jug of Tropicana at Giant next time. It got smaller. Price stayed the same. The juice didn’t get cheaper when the citrus growers had good seasons and the price of inputs went down.

            Just sayin is all.

          • Creebs

            … and you could pay higher rates. Do you not recognize that this money would have to come from the consumer?

    • Josh S

      Personally, I think that if you want to get your knickers in a bunch about unenforced laws, I’d start with things like – slaughterhouse sanitation, smokestack and outfall pipe pollution, banking regulations, etc.
      Bring down the heavy hand of the state on those bad actors whose irresponsibility actually places people at risk rather than going after folks who are already in a pretty low place to begin with.

    • Bluemontsince1961

      +100, TMP

  • GreaterClarendon

    Considering how competitive it is for Northern VA students to get into UVA and other great VA schools, and the funding problems faced by all state schools – I don’t have a problem drawing a line restricting in-state tuition to legal residents.

    • JP

      I’m an LPR and I would support this.

  • NPGMBR

    As a minority and Liberal, I’m conflicted on this topic. My compassionate side says we should help these children who have to suffer for the deeds of their parents. However, my conservative side tells me that its also wrong that taxpayers should shoulder the burden of supportin these children especially when funds are tight because it decreases the amount of available funds to support our own children in a time when they’ll be leaving college with 60k+ in loan debt.

    I’m just not sure how I would vote on this!

    • dynaroo

      If it’s only about taxes for you, it’s a no-brainer. The point of in-state tuition is that families paid taxes in the state that went to support the schools, so they should get reduced tuition for that. So immigrant status wouldn’t matter, just state residency.

      • NPGMBR

        If that were true you’d be right however, its not just about taxes its also about compassion. Trust me I don’t approve of what their parents did but if the children were born in the U.S. they are citizens and are thus entitled to the same benefits of the rest of us.

        • dynaroo

          If someone is born in the U.S., they’re citizens, yes. This isn’t about those kids, it’s about non-citizens whose parents never got them legal authorization to come here.

          • NPGMBR

            Thank you for the clarification. I’m still very conflicted BUT I believe the only good way to address this problem is to deny such benefits to these people because it constitutes a reduction in funds available to American citizens.

    • Josh S

      Funds are not tight because of illegal immigrants.

      • NPGMBR

        I never said funds were tight because of illegal immigrants.

        What I did say was “its also wrong that taxpayers should shoulder the burden of supportin these children especially when funds are tight.”

        • Josh S

          Well my point is that funds are tight (at the federal level) because of the Bush tax cuts. As a result, all sorts of social programs, including public universities and colleges, are suffering. The tax cuts have largely benefited the well off. The tight funds largely harm the less well off. Doesn’t exactly seem fair.

          • PhilL

            You kind of have it backwards. The state cut higher education budgets (see Kaine’s final budget, for example), but it was the federal money that came in to supplement some of the cuts (one-time stimulus money).

          • dynaroo

            Yep, Obama’s stimulus bailed out McDonnell. Ironic.

          • Arlington, Northside

            Actually it bailed out Tim Kaine’s legacy.

          • dynaroo

            Tell McDonnell to stop claiming credit for it then.

  • Arrrrrlington

    Sure, we’ll give you tuition support….

    If you pay some taxes first. I got my own damn student loans to pay off. I’m not gonna foot the bill for some free loaders kid to do it.

    I’m sorry if you’re paying for what your parents did, but you are illegally living in the greatest country in the world right now where you are not:

    -earning pennies a day for dangerous work
    -living in a shack with no running water or electricity
    -paying for a great primary education. Free schools = one of the greatest things about America.

    • dynaroo

      So illegals don’t pay taxes?

      • R

        I’m sure some do and a good percentage probably don’t. My guess is most of the illegal aliens who do day labor type work do not pay any taxes, federal or state. I seriously doubt if I hire a contractor to do work at my house and he “sub-contracts” the labor out by picking up four guys in front of 7-11 or Home Depot, that those guys are getting anything more than cash in hand at the end of the day.

        • Arlington, Northside

          I have had multiple people working using my SSN over the years. Don’t kid yourself, the illegals are often paying income tax and not getting a refund out of fear of being deported, AND they pay a lot in sales tax locally.

          • R

            A little confused…you let people use your SSN? How is that legal? And quite frankly I don’t think someone here illegally is deserving of a refund on their taxes…and if they are illegal they should have a fear of being deported. If I broke the law and were a criminal like they are, then I would be fearful of being caught too. I’m not kidding myself or anyone else…I stand by my statement that I’m sure plenty of people who are doing the day labor work are off the books and not paying income tax on that money earned. Just a hunch, but I am quite certain that plenty of people have picked up day laborers for yard work, painting, moving, etc, and just handed them cash at the end of the day without gathering the necessary names, SSNs, addresses, etc to issue 1099s for the work performed…if you can earn $100 for 10 hours worth of work off the books, you are doing better than I did right out of college after paying taxes. And I would suspect that sales tax generated by these individuals would come out to less revenue for the State then income tax that they are missing out on collecting from the same individuals…particularly considering any benefits that they are getting from the State.

          • dynaroo

            He didn’t let them, they stole it. They used it to get a job fraudulently. They don’t apply for refunds or SS benefits – which means they end up putting more into SS without taking anything out, and may pay more than someone who gets a refund from regular income taxes. But it’s hard to measure whether they are a net gain or loss.

          • Arlington, Northside

            Of course I am not allowing anyone to use my SSN, but someone is. And using it they were! A few years ago it appeared to the Social Security Administration that I was earning over $900K for the year at about 30 different jobs. ;) That is a lot of taxes that were paid.

            Many of those weekend day labors are working for someone during the week and having withholdings taken. They will not collect on the SocSec or Medicare that they are paying into. In the service industry, do you really think that the 500 maids and ballroom waiters at the Washington Hilton are all here legally? The Hilton is deducting the taxes from those paychecks too.

            Now for making the single act of crossing an invisable line made up by some surveyors 150 years ago and ratified by some dead dudes, an act that makes all subsequent acts illegal, have you ever crossed your street to see a neighbor? When you jay walked, did that make the rest of your day an illegal one? 99% of the folks that sneak across out border to work just want a better life. They are uneducated, but ready to use their labor to improve their lives, and the life of their family. We show them a great life here on TV, and we show them that we have a lot of hard work available to them at pay that is much higher than they could earn at home, THEN we say “BUT, only ten thousand of you can come this year…..

            I do not think that our current immigration system even approaches fair or anything that our Founding Fathers desire when they built this Land of Opportunity. Anyone that is here illegally and proves to be a real crimminal should be locked up then deported upon release, but the workers should have some system where they can safely come work, improve thier lot in life and go home if they choose, or if they can support themselves in a law abiding manner, stay and earn their citizenship.

            An illegal Immigrant/un-documented alian, should not get in-state tuition, they generally should not get admission in the first place. But they should not be vilified either for wanting to WORK for a better life.

          • TMP

            Proof that the crime of illegal immigration begets other crimes like identity theft. That’s not to mention the crimes victimizing those immigrating illegally like the “coyotes” who kidnap and ransom people after they get them over the border, gangs that extort them knowing they won’t go to the cops, the employers who take advantage of them with unsafe work conditions and low pay. Fools like Tejada make it seem like illegal immigration is benign, but it puts hurts us all, the illegal immigrants included!

          • KalashniKEV

            “Fools like Tejada make it seem like illegal immigration is benign, but it puts hurts us all, the illegal immigrants included!”

            Don’t forget Swine Flu.

          • Arlington, Northside

            Yet it is our very bad policy that leads to this illegal immigration. The workers are not breaking the law just to break it or take advantage of others. They are sneaking in to work, they are getting fake credentials to WORK. When we waste time going after those that are contributing to our Nation’s productivity, they take away assets that could be going after the real crimminals and terrorists.

          • DDog

            it is our very bad policy that leads to this illegal immigration?

            What? Bad policy? Hmmm come into our country illegally and it’s just bad policy? We need to enforce our laws…..

            They might come here for what “they” thought was a “good reason” but they are in our country illegally. If our country “ENFORCED” our current laws, would we have a bad policy then? Illegal is what it is.

          • dynaroo

            The swine flu that Michelle Bachmann thinks Jimmy Carter spread among the population?

          • Arlington, Northside

            Yes DDog it is our bad policy that is forcing these workers to come in illegally to fill jobs that need to be filled at pay rates that our economy handle. We only pass out ten thousand visas for unskilled workers a year. The Washington Hilton and Towers alone could use up half of those for maid service and banquet room food staff, I would bet the Gateway Marriot could use close to the other half, so where does the labor for the rest of America’s hospitality industry come from? Does not seem the folks collecting unemployment are willing to apply their education to such work.

            Full enforcement would not be economically viable. First it would cost a TON of money, likely far more than any benifits that illegals are currently taking care of, then it would hurt our productivity when these low wage workers are removed from the system.

            We need a policy that allows those with work opportunities to come and fill those jobs, and those without the ability to apply for jobs from outside and have work visas expidited to get here to fill them. We need a way for these workers to come and go, so that they do not hide out durning the downturns out of fear that they will not be able to return during the upswings.

            Yes, it is our failed policies that have created this situation. It is ridiculous that someone that wants to come to the Land of Opportunity to WORK, performing physical labor, has little chance at getting a legal visa and instead has to sneak in. We should keep out the crimminals and terrorists, but we should let in as many of the hard workers as our economy can handle.

  • Patrick

    “Tejada says that he supports comprehensive immigration reform.”

    I’m sure this is true as long as it includes blanket amnesty for all current illegal immigrants.

    • Bluemontsince1961

      +100

  • brendan

    Kind of a worthless debate in general b/c even Tejada realizes there’s no chance of this happening.

    I do think there is a significant problem here though that neither side is being straightforward in addressing. Whether you like it or not, even if you spent a massive amount of money and ignored some of our key values, it would be impossible to round up and deport even half of the illegals in this country. If they’re going to be here – we should afford them every opportunity to succeed, at the end of the day subsidizing tuition costs is one of the best investments a govt at any level can make. That being said, blanket citizenship and awarding full benefits isn’t practical or fair either.

    It would be nice to see people on both sides tone down the racism, accusations of racism, and let go of the stubborn attitudes that have left the immigration issue in limbo. I think the worst thing we can do, besides choosing one extreme or the other, is letting this issue continue to fester. Unfortunately we’ve been building a second DMZ right through the fabric of our country and the propaganda has made finding a morally attuned and pragmatic compromise all but impossible.

    • landaddy

      I will have to disagree with you. Americans can do anything they put their minds to and that includes rounding up and deporting every single illegal alien. It would be very expensive and cause a lot of hurt feelings but it can be done! By the way as I have been reading these comments and I didn’t see the racism that you mentioned. And being black and having grown up through legalized racism some 40 plus years ago it maybe that I have a different point of view on what real racism is! You know, when the law specifically discriminates against you because of the color of your skin not the ACTIONS YOU CHOOSE. There is nothing wrong with following the law. No group of people should feel so entitled to the blessing of this country that they don’t have to follow the law like everyone else. Illegal aliens are no more special than anyone else, so get in line like every one else!

      • Bluemontsince1961

        +1000, landaddy!

  • Juanita de Talmas

    To qualify for in-state tuition, one normally needs to reside in the state for a year. If you can demonstrate that, how does one’s immigration status even come up?

    • dynaroo

      That’s what I’m wondering too.

      The real question is if illegal immigrants should be admitted to colleges at all. Apparently, they are, and nobody is checking their immigration status. So I’m not sure how it even comes up.

    • Arlwhenever

      There are separate processes. Universities require international applicants to get a student visas and are frequntly involved in the process of securing it. Student visa’s are given almost automatically. It has been a normal part of admission processes to delve into national origin for decades, long before their was a crush of illegal Hispanic immigrants.

    • Arlwhenever

      Because of Visa requirements citizen status is a standard question on all post-secondary education admission forms — I suppose illegal immigrant applicants could lie, relying on their in-country records hoping no one would notice, but then they would be guilty of criminal fraud.

      • dynaroo

        I still don’t get it – if they aren’t a citizens and have no visa, how are they getting into college at all? If they’re just lying to get in, why wouldn’t they just lie to get in-state tuition too?

  • ArlForester

    Some who are valedictorians, huh? Back that one up, Walter. He does realize that illegals can’t vote, doesn’t he?

    • R

      Who said illegals can’t (and don’t) vote with the amount of voter fraud that occurs…and I’m sure if Walter and others have their way they will be allowed to vote…it’s probably a basic human right that should be afforded to all to vote in American elections, regardless of whether you are here legally or not.

      • dynaroo

        So you have evidence of large-scale voter fraud by illegal immigrants?

        • KalashniKEV

          A lot of Criminal Aliens use stolen SSNs and basically assume another person’s identity, so large scale or not, you can bet that in any election (especially those conducted in Safe Haven or Un-secure Communities) there will be Criminal Aliens at the polls.

          • dynaroo

            They use the SSNs to get jobs, not register to vote. Why would illegals go to vote? The last thing they want is more involvement in government. They’re avoiding that.

          • http://www.exactcom.com.au/proofs/KombiPics/Wrecks/bayBushOvergrown.jpg Overgrown Bush

            They would vote in someone like Tejada, sympathetic to their cause.

          • dynaroo

            This is where I ask again – does ANYONE here have any actual evidence of widespread voter fraud by illegal immigrants voting? Or is this just another speculative conspiracy theory?

          • KalashniKEV

            Voter Registration is at the DMV… when they go collect their fraudulent credentials, it’s just another block to check and lends credibility to their assumed identity.

          • dynaroo

            Even if we accept your little scenario, there are two problems:

            1. That doesn’t mean they actually go vote. I doubt it.

            2. You have no actual evidence, you’re just speculating.

          • Arlington, Northside

            Since 9/11 the VA DMV has made it very hard for someone without legit papers to get a license. Unfortuantely the DMV at Four Mile run was instrumental in getting DL’s for a few of the hijackers.

          • dynaroo

            Oh, and that reminds me – in Virginia you have to show photo ID to vote.

          • http://www.exactcom.com.au/proofs/KombiPics/Wrecks/bayBushOvergrown.jpg Overgrown Bush

            Strange, I only ever show my votor registration card.

          • dynaroo
          • KalashniKEV

            1) It has nothing to do with 9/11. Google VA DMV prank.
            2) “Employer issued photo ID card” could be a laminated index card.
            3) I don’t have evidence, I wish I did though. I think we should be able to pull someone’s card on demand the same way other countries do. A lot of countries will kill you for immigrating illegally, we just give you plane tickets… unless you have one of the anchor kids mentioned above, then we give you WIC vouchers.

          • Arlington, Northside

            Kev, you were what, 14 on 9/11? The VA DMV’s system was abused by the hijackers at the Four Mile Run location. The rules were changed after that. The DMV Prank only lead to the fact that we can’t smile for our picture any more.

          • KalashniKEV

            No… I was 19. I actually worked at Ground Zero in Local 731 for 3 years around college, but that is neither here nor there. I appreciate your comment though, I was unaware that Arlington’s lax policies towards Criminal Aliens had attracted worse than MS-13 in the past… it’s sad really, and all the more amazing that a local politician could go on the record in favor of Criminality in this area.

          • dynaroo

            Interesting – KK was a socialist union bloodsucker.

          • http://www.exactcom.com.au/proofs/KombiPics/Wrecks/bayBushOvergrown.jpg Overgrown Bush

            Thanks for the link dynaroo. Not necessarily a photo ID, but ID as follows:

            Acceptable forms of identification include the following:

            Virginia voter identification card
            Valid Virginia driver’s license
            Military ID
            Any Federal, state or local government-issued ID
            Employer issued photo ID card
            Social Security card

          • Anon

            Or you can just sign a statement and not show ID at all, unless you a are first time federal election voter. Even then you don’t need a photo id and a utility bill or paycheck works.

          • dynaroo

            But if you are an illegal immigration trying to vote, it means you are doing so by stealing someone else’s identity, since you can’t register to vote. So you’d have to have someone else’s ID, paycheck or bill. And you are likely to get caught if that person shows up to vote or has already voted.

          • http://www.exactcom.com.au/proofs/KombiPics/Wrecks/bayBushOvergrown.jpg Overgrown Bush

            There is a vast ring that provides false, but otherwise legit, documentation to illegals.

            http://www2.insidenova.com/news/2011/may/06/manassas-man-pleads-guilty-violent-fake-document-r-ar-1022777/

        • landaddy

          It does not matter whether the voting fraud is large-scale or if there is only one illegal alien voting unlawfully it does not even matter if people dead for 50 years are voting. The rules should be changed for everyone so we all had to prove (though a government issued card) who we are at the time we vote. Even one unlawful vote corrupts the system.

    • DDog

      He might have a plan, down the road, for voting too. Give them a chance, he will show us his cards.

  • KalashniKEV

    Tejada would be pleased to see Criminal Aliens given every advantage over legal, law abiding residents. It’s time to get serious about this problem and start rounding up these rats. It should have been done a long time ago, before they had the opportunity to breed. I wonder If he ever got his poorly thought out and illogical wish, would legal students from other states find a way to “undocument” themselves?

  • http://JeffreySpangler.com Jeff Spangler

    Mr. Tejada does an admirable job of pimping for the illegal aliens of Arlington by keeping a straight face as he mouths the platitudes about the virtues of hard work. He needs an occasional political reality check like this to protect him from complete self-delusion about a losing issue, even in an archliberal place like Arlington.

  • KalashniKEV

    Comment hierarchy is broken again…

  • novasteve

    You are neglecting the fact that for every illegal that attends a VA university, not just in state tuition is the matter, but that’s one spot someone who is legally here cannot take. So they deny people who belong here the ability to attend, and then liberals want to subsidize their education by giving them in state tuition.

  • Phyllis Lambert

    LET TEJEDA SUPPORT ALL THESE ILLEGAL ALIENS AND THEIR ANCHOR BABIES FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES. AMERICANS ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THE LAW BREAKING ILLEGAL ALIENS AND THEIR NASTY, FILTHY HABITS THEY BRING WITH THEM. BETTER STILL, DEPORT THEM ALL BACK TO THEIR HOMELANDS AND LET THEM MAKE CHANGES IN THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT AND THEIR COUNTRIES. JUST GO THE HELL BACK TO WHERE THEY COME FROM

    • Eponymous Coward

      I hadn’t realized Caps-riding had come back into fashion.

      • madisonmanor

        Well, since the NHL version of Caps disappears by this time every year, Phyllis was just trying to make things last just a little longer. Maybe is the new version of bandwagon fans.

    • True

      True Tejeda is an idiot. We are in debt and he wants to spend more money on illegal immigrants. That’s such a good idea, I have a suggestion for him, why don’t we use that money to ship them back from where they came from. Your her illegally you don’t have the right to use my tax dollars.

      • dynaroo

        This is about Virginia, not the federal government. I don’t think Virginia doesn’t have a serious long-term debt problem.

        • KalashniKEV

          “I don’t think Virginia doesn’t”

          So you “do” think they “do?”

          • dynaroo

            Oops.

            I am under the impression that Virginia does not have a debt problem.

      • KalashniKEV

        I don’t think he’s an idiot… he’s just out to give Criminal Aliens an advantage over natural born, law abiding citizens. I mean the whole idea discussed in the article is insane… why wouldn’t an 18 year old American fake his undocumented status to access the lower tuition rates? In his world, being an American would be valid grounds for discrimination… in America.

    • dynaroo

      FREDTERP

  • southarlington

    Okay 1) you do NOT have to have a photo ID to vote. This is legislation that always gets voted down with the argument that ‘poor people and the eldrely can’t and shouldn’t have to afford to have ID cards made just to enact their right to vote.’ point taken. But don’t make stuff up and say you have to show ID to vote. I’ve voted three times since moving to this county two years ago and have never had to show ID. 2) Dreams do not end for illegals after high school. Only the dream of a free, tax-payer funded education, perhaps. Nothing is stopping these students from enrolling as internationals. Since when do schools close the doors on them too? 3) regardless of side, can we agree to vote Walter Tejeda out of office next time? Do you think he makes his day laborers pay taxes on their wages? I’m still in awe of the Shirlington Education Center and can’t believe that as tax payers and county residents we are to watch this unsightly building go up, watch day laborers crowd the streets and near by parks, yet no one is making them accountable for the wages they are earning. I’m fine with the county paving the way for opportunity, but have the day laborers report wages and pay taxes on those too.

    • dynaroo

      WRONG.

      As I noted, state law requires a photo ID to vote, or to sign an “affirmation of identity.” If you voted without one of these, the poll workers were violating the law. Here’s the link again:

      http://www.sbe.virginia.gov/cms/Voter_Information/Voter_ID_Requirements_in_Virginia.html

      • Marge

        What he said is correct. You do NOT need a state ID to vote.

        • dynaroo

          The Va. State Board of Elections website says you do.

          They are the Va. State Board of Elections. You are some random stranger on the internet. I’m going to believe them, not you.

      • http://www.exactcom.com.au/proofs/KombiPics/Wrecks/bayBushOvergrown.jpg Overgrown Bush

        As I posted yesterday, directly quoted from your link:

        “Acceptable forms of identification include the following:

        Virginia voter identification card
        Valid Virginia driver’s license
        Military ID
        Any Federal, state or local government-issued ID
        Employer issued photo ID card
        Social Security card”

        Now….my Social Security card does not have a picture. Neither does my voter ID card. So, tell me, how does your link say a photo ID MUST be shown?

        • dynaroo

          Sorry, did I say “photo ID?” Whatever. You need an ID.

          And maybe it’s not a “state ID” either. Again, whatever. These are irrelevant details.

          The point is that you need some form of ID. Or you have to sign a statement.

          Getting back to the original point – it’s not like anyone, such as an illegal immigrant, can just walk into a polling place and vote without scrutiny about their identity.

          • http://www.exactcom.com.au/proofs/KombiPics/Wrecks/bayBushOvergrown.jpg Overgrown Bush

            Backpeddling hard…..

          • dynaroo

            I completely and totally admit I was wrong about the “photo” part. You win!! You get a cake.

            The point all along had nothing to do with “photo IDs” or “state IDs.” It was just IDs. But if you feel good about winning a completely irrelevant point, pat yourself on the back and wipe your mouth when you’re done with your cake.

          • http://www.exactcom.com.au/proofs/KombiPics/Wrecks/bayBushOvergrown.jpg Overgrown Bush

            Thanks, but I’m trying to slim down to get into my swim trunks for the summer so I’ll pass on the cake.

          • dynaroo

            But you earned it!

          • http://www.exactcom.com.au/proofs/KombiPics/Wrecks/bayBushOvergrown.jpg Overgrown Bush

            Look, you called someone out for being unjustly WRONG (just like that). While eating your unjust cake did you think to check your link? I have no issue if you mistyped and said “photo”. But, if you come back and call someone else wrong then someone should clear the air. So, I will enjoy the cake now that you are forcing it on me. Thank you.

          • dynaroo

            I thought they were saying that no ID was required. I didn’t realize they were quibbling over an irrelevant detail. I’ve explained that, so get over it and eat your cake.

          • http://www.exactcom.com.au/proofs/KombiPics/Wrecks/bayBushOvergrown.jpg Overgrown Bush

            Digesting it already! :-)

          • Josh S

            Yeah, seriously on the backpedaling. “Or you have to sign a statement.” That’s pretty much the same thing as “you don’t need an ID.”

          • dynaroo

            Um, no, not really. Read the link.

            The point, which you seem determined to avoid, is that you can’t just go vote without scrutiny of your identity.

  • auntiets

    Tejada is a social worker and the more he can give to his illegals, the more they love him. Check out the subsidized housing amounts that illegals get. Why should illegals prosper when actual Americans cant?

  • KalashniKEV

    Por La Raza todo! Fuera de La Raza nada!

  • Blur

    The sense of entitlement that illegals have is appalling. It’s time to make them adhere to the laws of this country.

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