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by ARLnow.com November 22, 2011 at 8:36 am 4,570 130 Comments

Washingtonian’s Best Arlington Bars — Washingtonian magazine is out with its list of the best bars and nightlife in Arlington. The list includes old favorites like Whitlow’s on Wilson (2854 Wilson Blvd) and CarPool (4000 Fairfax Drive) and newcomers like Mad Rose Tavern (3100 Clarendon Blvd) and Rustico (4075 Wilson Blvd). [Washingtonian]

Bill to Consider Life at Conception — The first bill pre-filed for the 2012 legislative session of the Virginia General Assembly would establish that, under Virginia law, human life begins at conception. The bill will be considered by what is now an all-Republican legislature. [Virginia LIS]

Turkey Trot Race Sold Out — The 6th annual Arlington Turkey Trot 5K race is sold out, but organizers are still seeking volunteers. The race, meanwhile, kicks off at 8:00 a.m. on Thanksgiving morning (Nov. 24), and a number of road closures are planned in the Lyon Park and Ashton Heights neighborhoods.

  • Paco

    Life begins at conception and all fetuses get to vote Republican.

    • Tabby

      Don’t forget the zygotes and embryos.

      • drax

        +1000

        • real drax

          There’s an impostor. May have to change my name again.

          By the way, it’s not an “ALL” Republican legislature. It’s not even a Republican-majority in the Senate. It’s tied there.

    • NorthArlingTim

      uh huh.

  • Speaking of Arlington’s best bars, I walked by the old Kitty O’Shea front the other day and there is another bar gearing up to open. Anyone have the scoop?

    • It’s called Wilson Tavern and they’re not saying much quite yet.

      • Thanks. I will give it a try, but it looks like they are going to corporate up the atmosphere a bit.

        • NorthArlingTim

          FEH

  • Nooner

    If Mad Rose is a “Best Arlington Bar”… why is it empty most of the time?

    • Swag

      Because it’s in a strip mall?

      • MC 703

        That could be described as a strip mall only in that the business are adjacent to each other. It’s nothing like the a strip mall in the traditional sense of the term.

      • Vinh An Nguyen

        It’s on the ground level of the tallest building in Clarendon. How is that a strip mall?

    • John B

      It looks empty most of the time from the street but the courtyard side of it gets busy on weekends.

    • DarkHeart

      Maybe the $9 Mojito isn’t quite the draw they expected it to be.

    • O.C.

      Mad Rose? What’s the going rate for placement on the Washingtonian’s list?

      • creative

        I was wondering the same thing.

  • BookGuy

    Any list of Arlington bars that doesn’t include Jay’s is not a complete list.

    • novasteve

      Jay’s isn’t a place to be “seen at” so it will only make a “dive” list, which it has. DC area is full of snobby, pretentious people, so that’s why the people didn’t determine it to be a “best” place becaues it’ sa place where people don’t go to dress up and show off.

      • John Fontain

        Steve – Your bed must have no right side.

        • novasteve

          Offended by fact? Arlington in particular, and the DC area in general, is VERY snobby. Jays isn’t a place where snobs can go to show off. Hence, why it doesn’t make these lists. They also can’t show off how “worldly” they are with Bud and Coors light. They would at least need PBR.

          • John Fontain

            I love Jay’s. Was there this weekend, in fact. I also prefer the regular, ‘non-snobby’ beers like the silver bullet. So no, I’m not ‘offended by fact’ and I don’t disagree with you. It’s just that you take such a harsh tone when commenting on something as unimportant in life as why Jay’s didn’t make a list.

            I was just ribbing you in hopes that you’d lighten up.

          • sorry

            you’re fighting an uphill battle!

          • brif

            how is it a fact that arlington in particular and the DC area in general is very snobby?

          • wimmer201

            Good call. I’d love to see that data as well.

          • novasteve

            Can I take a wild guess that you and everyone who agrees with you are transients? You weren’t born here, I take it, and there was something that “drew” you to the DC area, right?

            That’s probably why you can’t see what’s obvious about the area, you know to people who actually are natives.

          • brif

            your guess is wrong.

          • actually…

            he’s a bigot against non-novasteves.

          • NorthArlingTim

            what constitues a “native” right now? i’ve lived here for 27 years – longer than i’ve lived anywhere in the world and way more than half of my life. i consider myself a “local” … is that okay?

      • OX4

        Mom?

        • Tabby

          Yes, dear?

      • real drax

        Snobs who look down on automatic transmissions?

        • Sikudhani

          You’re all the same:
          “Let the car drive me around”, “Let the government decide what’s best for me.”
          Sheeple.
          Maybe it’s time to ban loud noise in bars.
          Loud noise is more harmful to your hearing than smoking is.

        • NorthArlingTim

          LOL – yeah! 😀

    • j

      I’d drink with BookGuy.

  • SaveABCs

    Seeing the photo prompts me to ask: whatever happened to Gov. O’Donnell’s proposal to sell off the ABC stores?

    • CrystalMikey

      Rosie?

  • BookGuy

    This is a technical question but if life begins at conception, can I use it to claim a tax exemption the year before it is actually born?

    • LVGuy

      Don’t be fooled. The main reason for this bill is to allow pregnant women to travel the HOV lanes.

      • Tabby

        I’m ovulating! Get outta my way!

        • drax

          No kidding!

    • John Fontain

      Given that babies will be almost one year old at birth, will this bill also mean that:

      -20 year olds will be able to drink alcohol?

      -14 year olds will be able to get a driver’s permit?

      -15 year olds will be able to get a driver’s license?

      -13 year olds will be able to get married?

      -adults can have intercourse with consenting 14 year olds without breaking the law

      I just want to make sure I understand what Delegate Bob Marshall is pushing for. Who knew that such a ‘conservative’ republican would want it to be legal to have sex with 14 year olds!!

      http://delegatebob.com/

      • Curious Barb

        So, you know what the legal consent age is and thought it was appropriate to post here? Creepy.

  • Garden City

    Let’s watch how the GOP handles this bill and then funding for education, neonatal medical coverage for poor mothers and their children, etc. Undoubtedly they will reaffirm that life begins at conception and ends at birth.

    • RosRes

      lol!

    • Very well said.

    • dk

      ain’t that the truth.

  • Theocracy Lover

    The first bill pre-filed for the 2012 legislative session

    Thank goodness they have their priorities straight.

    • OX4

      Next up: the right for fetuses to carry concealed weapons in ABC stores, but only heterosexual fetuses. I love Virginia!

      • Doug

        You can always move. We promise not to miss you.

        • RosRes

          Why move when we can slowly take over? Invasion!

          • Zoning Victim

            Slowly take over? Virginia has been decidedly blue from jump street; so if you don’t like the laws here, blame the Democrats.

        • OX4

          Believe me, I am. Virginia is getting about as much respect as Alabama and Arizona.

      • NorthArlingTim

        spew!!!

  • Brandon C

    You want to make abortion nearly impossible? Fine, get rid of abstinence only education, give out condoms, educate women on birth control, and make adoption more of a viable and less churchy option.

    • yequalsy

      Shhh. Dramatically reducing abortions would destroy the livelihoods of thousands of right-wing preachers and radio blowhards out there who rely on donations from the good meaning but gullible.

    • Zoning Victim

      I can’t comment on their validity because I haven’t looked at the actual research, but I’ve seen reports that suggest that “comprehensive” sex education actually worsened the unwanted pregnancy problem because kids started having sex even earlier. Free condoms supposedly have, at best, had no impact on the number of abortions and may have negatively impacted the number of abortions. There is certainly no denying the fact that NYC gives away free condoms and yet the Bronx has the highest abortions-to-live-births ratio in the country. It seems counterintuitive that education and free contraception aren’t working. I’m certainly not saying it’s 100% true or that we should stop educating people, but birth control isn’t expensive in this country, either. I don’t see cost as a barrier to contraception in the US. It may be the case that we just have to realize that the abortion rate is what it is and nothing is going to stop that.

      • Tuesday

        There is no evidence to support this. Here is an abstract of an article that studied whether comprehensive sexual education led to kids having sex earlier:
        http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102206744.html

        In no study did students have sex earlier when given sex education; in more than half, they postponed sexual activity.

        Also, having taught at a school where “abstinence education” was taught, that is a total joke. The only thing the kids take from it is that birth control is completely useless so you might as well just have sex without it.

        • drax

          Actual facts!

      • dk

        “It may be the case that we just have to realize that the abortion rate is what it is and nothing is going to stop that.”

        +1

  • LVGuy

    I couldn’t be more excited about this bill. In Mississippi it got liberals out of their studio apartments and into the voting booth.

  • ArlForester

    I am pro-life and even I find these “life begins at conception” bills to be disturbing. While I believe that, I don’t have the science to back it up or at least make it so it is fair to legislate anything.

    • novasteve

      While it may not look like a human being at that point, it doesn’t take a science degree to realize that a fertilized egg is not the same as the constitutuent parts it came from, the sperm and the egg. it is something new.

      The logic liberals have is that you should be able to abort a fetus up to the second before birth. The ultra conservatives say you cannot abort the second an egg gets fertilized.

      Agree or not, at least the conservative approach is more “moral”. I mean what does it say about a society where the must vulnerable and most innocent have far less rights than a serial killer on death row?

      • Every sperm is sacred

        • ArlingtonChick

          Good point. Will this make IVF illegal?

          • Arlingtonian

            Easily could, as well as birth control pills, since they could potentially stop a fertilized egg from implanting and therefore destroy a “person”

          • Tabby

            Yes. A lot of fertilized eggs get destroyed in the process.

      • Brandon C

        No, you THINK the liberals want to be able to abort babies until prior to its birth. Stop putting words in other peoples’ mouths.

        No liberal I know, including myself, thinks that’s okay.

        Basically, once the fetus has developed a spinal column or achieved some form of sentience (around the middle of the 2nd trimester), all bets are off unless there’s some kind of serious genetic defect (such as Tay-Sachs) or the mother’s life is threatened.

        And yes, I will concede that it is a LIFE, but not a HUMAN life prior to being fully formed.

        • that pro lifer

          Oh yes because sometimes that “life” (you know the HUMAN egg fertilized by the HUMAN sperm) turns out to be a puppy or a frog or a dolphin. Tricky biology!

          • Brandon C

            I don’t recall saying that at all either. STOP PUTTING WORDS IN OTHER PEOPLE’S MOUTHS.

      • The Queen

        …at least the conservative approach is more “moral”

        Only if you think that morality consists of forcing women to have children they might not want, and that it’s moral to subject said children to a life of misery just to prove a point.

        • novasteve

          Unless they were raped, pregnancy is a consequence of voluntarily having sex. That’s reality. Deal with it. Life isn’t fair. Deal with it.

          • Tabby

            Are you saying deal with it?

          • Brandon C

            Okay, then. If life isn’t fair, then why don’t we try to MAKE it little more fair by educating people to have safe sex. We know they’ll have it, so why not make it with far less unwanted humans in the world who will have s—y lives and perpetuate the cycle of unwanted children and poverty?

          • Zoning Victim

            I have to admit that I’ve never understood the argument that it is a human life and therefore murder, but it’s okay if someone forced you to have sex in the first place. I realize it’s a tough subject, but it’s either always murder or it isn’t murder at all.

          • novasteve

            It’s because it’s voluntary vs involuntary action. You shouldn’t have been pregnant in the first place but for rape. Making it different. It’s returning to the status quo ante. Whereas if you have sex voluntary then an abortion, you are eliminating the fruit of your voluntary action.

          • SomeGuy

            So if one makes a mistake by voluntary action, he/she should not have the capability to take corrective action?

          • dk

            In other words, pregnancy is a woman’s punishment for being so brazen as to choose to have sex.

          • novasteve

            So why should the child be punished for the actions of the mother? Is that “being responsible” in your eyes? It’s ENABLING irresponsiblity. That you see it as a “choice” is disgusting.

          • dk

            …and some women choose to deal with it by having an abortion.

          • Garden City

            Having a baby is punishment for having sex?

      • OX4

        “at least the conservative approach is more “moral”

        I sense about 12,496 Philosophy 101 professors cringing in unison.

      • More Nuance Please

        I don’t know anyone who belives abortions can happen up to the second before birth (although I suppose there is bound to be someone that crazy somewhere). So that is rather a fallacious statement. Also, I think it would be better to put the issue in terms of when sentience begins rather than when life begins. This is not an answer we can yet determined through sceince, and so it makes this a very difficult issue to decide. I am pro choice, so long as there is not yet sentience. And I have serious issues about the government intervening in decisions about our own bodies. Seems very “1984”. It seems like a contradiction that Republicans state they want to less government regulation, except that when it comes to their ideas of moral values they want strict government regulation. Huh?

        • ArlingtonChick

          That’s why they aren’t true Republicans. We have Reagan creating the big tent party to blame. Shame.

      • AmyD

        “up to the second before birth”

        seriously, have you ever heard anyone say that? I have never heard anyone call for fewer restrictions on abortions in the third trimester, and Roe v Wade allows for total restrictions in the third trimester except when there are no other options to preserve life or health. No reputable doctor would agree to an abortion that late in a pregnancy unless there was a powerful reason why it had to be done.

        No question I’m a liberal. However, like most people, I believe that there is a contiuum along which the fetus deserves progressively more protection.

        Just as we are more sympathetic to the grieving of a woman who has a stillbirth than a woman who thought she was pregnant and got her period a few days late, there really is a difference between a full term baby and a zygote. Many conservatives believe that contraception itself is a form of abortion, and a bill like this one will unquestionably lead to more restrictions on birth control, leading to more crisis pregnancies, illegal abortions, and the deaths and emergencies that will result.

      • Paco

        The moral thing to do is outlaw masturbation. That’s at least half a person, right? Probably the brain and the legs and the fingers that can vote for Cuccinelli and his ilk.

      • drax

        A serial killer is an actual person.

    • Tabby

      I’m “pro-life” too! And pro-choice! See how that works, that minding your own *&^^ business thingo?

      • ArlForester

        I see you have a reading comprehension issue. I said I disagreed with the attempted legislation. Don’t let that stop you from being ignorant though. (my first response is being edited by the powers that be which is good for you).

      • drax

        No, we don’t see how you can be all those things at the same time, Tabby. “Pro-life” generally means anti-abortion rights.

    • real drax

      “While I believe that, I don’t have the science to back it up or at least make it so it is fair to legislate anything.”

      Which means you’re pro-choice.

      • ArlForester

        Not at all. There are plenty of situations where science has proven that a life is being ended in abortions. Anything after the first trimester is disgusting to me. Of course there is the old catch-22 of someone who would wait more than three months to decide about their child not being fit to be a parent anyways too.

        • drax

          “I don’t have the science to back it up or at least make it so it is fair to legislate anything” = pro-choice.

          • ArlForester

            I see you too have a reading comprehension problem.

  • Ballstonian

    An article I read about a survey of doctors related to the topic of when life begins stated that the major flaw lies in using the word “conception.” Some doctors consider conception to be fertilization of the egg. Others consider it to be when the blastocyst implants itself in the womb. I think it’s an interesting distinction that is worth noting.
    http://www.thirdage.com/news/pregnancy-beginning-even-doctors-dont-agree_11-17-2011

    • Tabby

      Sure is, because should this shytecake pass, IUDs will definitely be illegal. The birth control pill may become illegal, because it CAN be used as a morning after pill. A woman who tries to get around it can be tried for murder.

      Nice folks we have in Richmond.

    • Tuesday

      In reality, though, doctors consider a woman pregnant when HCG is detectable in her urine, which is the indication that a blastocyst has implanted. Most women have probably fertilized far more eggs than ever implanted and started growing. I was told by a fertility doctor that in many cases of infertility, an egg is probably fertilized every month, but it is the implantation that is the tricky part. A woman who announces that she is pregnant because she knows she just had sex during ovulation is not taken seriously by anyone.

  • JamesE

    Life begins at 1:45 am in the Clarendon ballroom.

  • courthound

    Life begins at eye contact.

  • ArlingtonChick

    Shouldn’t we be rejoicing that the GOP figured out that a constitutional amendment probably wouldn’t pass, so they’d get it through the GA instead? At least they aren’t total idiots. (Although, silly me, I thought that the crazy moral GOPers were loosing steam with the rise of the economic issues globally).

    Also, this law would also restrict the biotech industry in Virginia, since it follows that stem cells would also be outlawed. Not cool. So not cool.

  • yequalsy

    You know what this act really should be called? The Full Employment for Lawyers Act.

    “Your Honor, I’m the court-appointed attorney for the unborn child of Fred and Ethel Mertz. Ethel was arrested for smoking a cigarette at 2 p.m in Bluemont Park. Our concern is not the smoking-in-a-park violation but rather with the attempted murder of her child. I plan to aggressively pursue both criminal and civil charges on behalf of my client, the Zygote Mertz.”

  • NoVapologist

    I agree that life technically begins at conception (or whenever the little thing acquires its own unique DNA). However, I also believe the mother should be able to kill that thing before it is born. Because, frankly, readily available abortion has a lot of positive externalities (see Freakonomics).

    • novasteve

      And you wonder why you read about all the mothers killing their children in the news? Because abortion breeds sociopathy. Society is breeding sociopathy. If you can kill your own child becaues it isn’t convenient to you, then killing a complete stranger, for any reason, would be far easier.

      • Chad

        I know…those mothers should have just had abortions and saved themselves the trouble of offing the kids later on.

      • LVGuy

        Good thing that never happened in the good old days. Back then all we had was child slavery.

      • NoVapologist

        Where do you read about all the mothers killing their children?

      • FakeMehoo

        +1000

      • rob

        novasteve is a proponent of incest, so he’s just angry on behalf of all the brothers/sisters of these aborted fetuses that will never get to meet the loves of their lives.

      • dk

        So how do we explain the fact that most murders of children are committed by men? I guess they must all be MDs who perform abortion?

        • Tabby

          +5million and where is my comment about 2nd hand smoke?

      • Joe

        Says the Libertarian, Doesn’t libertarianism basically preach “Leave me alone” You rail and rail about the government unfairly targeting smokers , and claim to hate liberalism, and big government, but for some reason in regards to a 4 week old fetus that some poor, uneducated woman has growing in her 3000 miles away in Californian, it’s OK for the Government and in particular YOU to have an opinion about the value of life?

        Talk about the height of hypocrisy. Libertarian as is most commonly defined today is basically Anarchism’s sneaky sister. You hide behind the mantle of Libertarianism while basically saying that you don’t like for the majority of a society to come up with ground rules by which everyone has to live.

        Per wikipedia, Libertarianism, in the strictest sense, is the political philosophy that holds individual liberty as the basic moral principle of society. But here you are claiming that the Government should force a women against her will to have a child. Explain how Government should be in the business of protecting the civil rights of an embryo, but somehow has no business making ordinances that outlaw behavior that has negative health consequences to everyone?

        • Zoning Victim

          “Libertarian as is most commonly defined today is basically Anarchism’s sneaky sister.”

          That statement takes spin to all new heights.

          • joe

            Have you read Ron Paul’s platform? I love my civil liberties as much as the next guy, but in a civil society there is compromise, and no amount of obfusification can hide the fact that in libertarian run world the people can’t get together and collectively make rules and call it government.You are a zoning victim? Imagine if there was no zoning whatsoever.

  • MrCar

    Life begins when you get your driver’s license! (we can debate about the learner’s permit though)

  • novasteve

    Just a comment on fetuses here, and what is “life”. The government has had a long history with 2 + 2 = 5 when it’s a certain result they are after. In 1894, the US Supreme court considered Tomatoes to be a vegetable, despite scientific fact they are fruits, to get a tariff result they liked. Massachusettes considered Whales to be fish, despite them being mammals, to get a result they liked. Is it possible science is being overlooked to consider fetuses to not be humans or life when politicians in the past have denied reality to get results they want?

    • Chad

      Short answer, no.

    • To-mah-to v. To-may-to

      Vegetable is a culinary term, not a scientific term so of course there would be not scientific fact supporting the classification of tomatos as veggies.

      • novasteve

        So a culinary term should trump science with it comes to law? What’s to stop them from doing that in other areas of law like when life begins?

        • To-mah-to v. To-may-to

          That’s not what I was saying. The classification of tomatos in the culinary world (and Customs) has nothing to do with the scientific/botanical classification. So it is not trumping science. But that would be an interesting HTS: ovary of plant, root of plant, etc.

    • stevis23

      Look, if any party in this current political climate overlooks science, it’s the GOP.

    • drax

      You mean like denying global warming steve? Or denying that second-hand smoke is dangerous? That sort of thing?

  • Daniel Cassino

    According to the latest results from Fairleigh Dickinson University’s PublicMind Poll, some news sources make us less likely to know what’s going on in the world. In the most recent study, the poll asked New Jerseyans about current events at home and abroad, and from what sources – if any – they get their information. The conclusion: Sunday morning news shows do the most to help people learn about current events,while some outlets, especially Fox News, lead people to be even less informed than those who they don’t watch any news at all.

    • dk

      snicker.

  • FakeDynaroo

    +1,000,000

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