Police Respond to Ballston Mall for Fighting Security Guards

by ARLnow.com February 7, 2013 at 2:40 pm 4,724 68 Comments

Ballston Common Mall (photo by Katie Pyzyk)Two security guards at Ballston Common Mall got into a fistfight with each other yesterday, prompting a police response but no reported arrests.

The incident happened just before 4:00 p.m. The security guards, who were employed by the mall itself, both suffered facial lacerations in the fight but no serious injuries, according to police radio traffic.

Though bruised and bloodied, there are no reports of the men being transported to the hospital or being arrested. No police report was filed, according to Arlington County Police spokesman Dustin Sternbeck.

Police responded to the mall’s loading dock for the fight but it’s unclear where exactly in the mall the fight occurred.

  • Steve


    • Chris M.

      I take it then that you’ve never been to Landmark?

      • Sydonai

        Or PG Plaza?

      • MissKittenCat

        You mean the Chick Fill A Center?
        Both “Malls” need a major face lift

    • ElSteve

      No man, that was fight club.

  • Quoth the Raven

    You just can’t make this stuff up.

  • bensashi

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    • Buckingham Beauty

      Non scio. Hoc est bonum quaesitum.

  • fedworker

    Looks like someone broke the first rule of Fight Club

  • JamesE

    They were probably bored

  • South Awwlington

    Seriously, for the good of all Arlington…can we convert this thing into a Wegman’s?

    • JamesE

      It really needs to be imploded

      • Sheriff Gonna Getcha

        I think putting a upscale bowling alley inside this mall would be a big hit. There arent any bowling allies in Arlington. The nice one in DC does very good business. They could have it be open to under 21 until like 8pm so parents could use it for bday parties for little turd kids and then after 8pm, make it 21+ and it can be a bar-type bowling alley.

      • Mr. Clarendon

        In such a case I hope the Cold Stone moves down Wilson in my direction–yum.

    • Future

      Now THAT is a fantastic idea! It would clean up the neighborhood and be a great resource for the area.

    • Pack

      I was struggling to imagine something worse than Ballston mall, until you mentioned Wegmans. Jesus, that would be the worst. The BigBoxiification of the grocery store. Holy Moly. You want that, drive your Suburban to a new home in Falrfax.

      • South Awwlington

        Safeway, Giant and Harris Teeter don’t have big box stores?

        The mall isn’t already technically a big box?

        Sarcasm is so 2012.

  • Roquer

    Better a walmart than wegmans

    • Buckingham Beauty

      Um, yeah…that ought to keep the neighborhood classy…

    • WeiQiang

      i wasn’t for implosion until your post.

    • John Fontain

      I agree completely. As long as they made the external architecture nice, I’d be totally down for that.

      • CourthouseChris

        Walmart is known for being on the vanguard of architecture.

    • CourthouseChris

      Right, because we need a source for cheap plastic crap.

  • DeportEmAll

    I don’t think the mall is all that bad. I like the cinema, and Macy’s can occasionally be handy. Parking is cheap. The Thai restaurant is not bad for “fast” Thai food. I remember the mall when it first opened in the mid-80s (heck, I remember Parkington before that), and for sure it’s never been a primo shopping destination. On the other hand, it’s not too crowded either!

    • drax

      Yeah, it’s a sucky mall by comparison to most, but we aren’t going to get anything better any time soon. Beats an empty hole. People just like to complain.

    • b0rk

      Yeah I used to go to the arcade down by the food court back in the 80’s. It’s never been great. I’m surprised it still exists to be honest, with as much as property costs in that area.

      • HAUS

        Macy’s (formerly Hechts) owns the entire mall. No lease payments. Just taxes.

        • Arlington Arch

          Not completely correct. Firest City owns the Mall, Macy’s owns the anchor stores.

  • Jim

    Fife v. Blart

  • MrsD

    I LOVE Wegmans!!! It would be awesome to have a grocery store of that quality but sadly I think the market is saturated and they would never consider Arlington as a viable location.

  • Ross

    What a crock; the Arlington County Police are a bunch of hypocrites. Any other citizen or citizens would have been promptly arrested for disorderly conduct. This absolutely meets the definition of disorderly conduct in the Virginia Code, I looked it up.

    • Quoth the Raven

      Do you really believe the real police are protecting the fake police?

      • Ross

        What I mean is the police “looked the other way” and “turned a blind eye” and “let them go”. That is not what justice is supposed to be about. You can’t have it one way here, but then have it another way there. If they broke the law, they should be held accountable; period. Police officers are supposed to be enforcing the law. It completely ruins their credibility when they do not press charges in such high profile cases. I mean come on! At least charge the guys! Anyone else involved in any fight in the count would have at least been charged with something and you know it!

        • Quoth the Raven

          Sorry, but it says they weren’t arrested. It does not say they weren’t, or won’t be, charged. Maybe the police report is coming and so are the charges. Maybe they aren’t. Not every fight results in a criminal prosecution. To suggest that it’s some sort of cover up is over the top in a big way. Where is your evidence that they “looked the other way” or “turned a blind eye”?? Just like me, you have absolutely no idea what happened or why they police acted like they did. You are just assuming, for some reason, they acted inappropriately.

        • Anonymous

          A) The police have discretion, and more importantly, B) if neither party wants to press charges, the police aren’t gonna make an arrest. What’s the point of arresting someone if the “victim” isn’t gonna cooperate and show up to court?

          I can assure you that most fights in Arlington absolutely do not end in arrest.

          • Ross

            Are you kidding me? What fight in Arlington has not resulted in any arrests? I guarantee that 99.9% of all fights in Arlington end in at least someone being arrested.

            Also, what do you mean the “victim” wanting to “press charges”? That is a false statement. It is NOT about the victim “pressing charges”. The individual who committed the crime committed an offense against the STATE, NOT the victim exclusively. That is why all criminal cases are called “The State v. John Doe” or “The Commonwealth v. John Doe”, etc. It does not matter whether the victim wants to “press charges” or not; that is irrelevant. The police have a duty to arrest someone if they have probably cause that a crime occurred and the prosecutor’s office has an obligation to take those charges to court at the very least. They have their day in court, but they should not just be let go because they happen to be buddy buddy with the cop.

          • Eric

            The prosecutor’s obligation is not to burden the court with cases which there is not a reasonable chance of conviction. If there are no witnesses to the fight and neither party is making a statement then this case is closed.

            But I like how this opened up old wounds among the netizens: taxes, gold standard, street cars and SUVs with Maryland tags.

    • Hank

      I love this new Ross! Novasteve’s got a buddy! Conspiracy theories, rants against perceived injustices thrust upon him by the local government, everyone’s overpaid… he’s got it all!

      • Louise

        Hee hee

      • Ross

        @Hank: Wow! Surprising that an individual is actually well informed and educated! What a surprise!

        You must be correct! There must be NO injustices in this world! The police are all just so perfect and upstanding and never have any faults!

        The boom and bust cycles that have been happening since we left the Gold Standard are all just fake and made up! It’s just accidental magic!

        The trillion dollar deficits are not an issue! We will just magically “pull through” like we always do!

        Why don’t you wake up and see reality Hank?

        • WeiQiang

          dude, you’ve Tea Partied novasteve! it’s like steve got primaried.

        • Hank

          There’s a difference between well-informed and paranoid. Of course there are injustices. Of course there are faults with the police. However, that doesn’t make it a certainty that ACPD are a bunch of hypocrites. Do you know all the facts in the case? No. Neither do I. Lighten up, Francis.

          • Ross

            Ok, well we’ll just see. I’ll be checking the Arlington County General District Court case management system to see if there are any new disorderly conduct charges brought in regards to this. How much do you want to bet that there won’t be any?

        • DCBuff

          Yes, there were no boom and bust cycles back in the good old days of the Gold Standard! The Panics of 1873 and 1893 in the midst of the Gilded Age, the Roaring 20s then the Great Depression. Never heard of them! You’ve got economic history figured out.

        • CourthouseChris

          The Ross Corollary to Clark’s Three Laws:

          “Accidental magic”: Any sufficiently advanced concept that Ross can’t figure out.

          • Ross

            So currency that has absolutely NO backing of any type of commodity is 100% stable?

            Sorry to break it to you, but our good ol days of unprecedented upticks in our economy since we won World War II are over. Now we actually have to play by the rules and play on the global market. And guess what? We’re losing. It’s called the “New Normal”.

            We have the largest number AND rate of incarceration in the entire world (due mostly to the Drug War started by the government). We have over 100% debt to GDP ratio. Our education systems is flawed. People cannot even afford to go to college anymore because the cost of education has become inflated due to the government giving out a ridiculous amount of loans that emboldened colleges and universities to unfairly raise tuition.

            We have hardly any industrial industry to speak of anymore (except for war making). We are simply a service sector economy now. Wall Street creates whimsical “toxic instruments” and thinks they are doing a wonderful job. Our infrastructure is crumbling. Our pension systems are underfunded.

            None of this concerns you?

            Yes, I stand by my term “magic”. Because you seem to think that “magic” will get us out of our problems.

            Well, when the rest of world wakes up and realizes that they have been hoodwinked by us, you will see the dollar slowly start to come down.

            No worry! We’ll just print more money and buy ourselves out of debt with cheaper paper money! However, real wages won’t go up (as they haven’t since 1979). So I’ll be stuck paying my entire paycheck on one loaf of bread!

            Meanwhile, you CourthouseChris probably make $100,000.00+ a year so you’ll be just fine! You won’t even notice! (or care)

          • CourthouseChris

            I don’t believe for a second you are sorry to break it to me.

            The rest of this stuff, didn’t read. You sound like one of those raving tea-party nutters.

          • Ross

            Um, no, I’m not a Tea Party member. Neither was Ron Paul. I am a Libertarian; there’s a huge difference. Tea Party members are hypocrites who want small government in some places (such as welfare programs), but they want big government in other places (such as invading countries). I want across the board cuts to government. It has gotten way out of hand. We cannot afford the large government we currently possess; it’s simple math, there’s not enough revenue. Your solution is probably just to tax the rich into oblivion. That’s always the liberal answer. It’s not a government problem, it’s a revenue problem is what you say. Well if you give the government more revenue, you solve nothing. It just emboldens them to spend more and more and more and more. They never learn their lesson and downsize.

            Of course you didn’t read the rest of my statements; you are like an ostrich who wants to just bury your head in the sand.

        • Rory

          The boom and bust cycles were worse before we left the gold standard…I’m not sure what economic history books you are reading. The only real bust we had was a few years ago, which was the result of, among other things, the systematic dismantling of the New Deal financial regulatory structure.

          Raise revenue somewhat, cut spending, reform entitlement. It will happen sooner or later. We will get through it. As it is, there is no shortage of investors eating up our soverign debt at such low rates they are basically paying us to hold our money. This can’t go on in perpetuity, I just hope it goes on until some kind of real bargain is reached.

          Our country has tons of stuff wrong, yes, but going back on the gold standard will solve exactly zero of them. I’m more concerned with our political parties behaving more like parliamentary parties in a Constistutional system taht makes it hard to get anything done without some members crossing party lines.

    • Bard

      actually it doesn’t. they were assaulting each other. the disorderly conduct statute specifically excludes any conduct that can be punished as any other crime in the virginia code. because their actions constitute the crime of assault, they can’t be prosecuted for disorderly conduct. and the police typically only issue arrest warrants for assault if one of the parties wants to pursue the matter in court. i assume these guys didn’t.

  • novasteve

    Hard to deny Ballston mall is vibrant. All we need is for an SUV to overturn inside it.

  • George

    Does this mean these 2 guys will be working at the Fashion Center Mall next week????

  • ArlResident

    Wegman’s is a GREAT idea! I would love that….

  • Ballstonian from Birth

    I am with Steve. The Arlington Cops are always busting people for stupid stuff but they give the idiot fake cops a break. Must be the code at work. I am sure there is a conspiracy involved and there needs to be an investigation. Bring back Deep Throat (not the movie), the Watergate character….

  • Steven

    They have security guards? You say its a mall? I thought it was a homeless shelter.

  • Parkington

    Bring me back, you know you want to.

    Also, good old North Arlington for ya.

  • KathyInArlington

    Despite the downside, I appreciate having CVS, Macy’s, the theaters and restaurants so close by.

  • fedworker

    How about they add a Linens n Things, Border’s, and a Circuit City? Oh wait…nevermind

  • Tone man

    The Police should not be wasting our tax dollars on a crime that at the very most is a citation and the maximum fine is $500. I wasn’t there, but it sounds like a good call. These Security Officers will probably end up losing their jobs anyway, not too mention probably being blacklisted from the industry.

    • Ross

      No, actually Disorderly Conduct is a Class 1 Misdemeanor that carries a potential 1 year jail sentence and a possible fine of $2,500.00.

      They arrest people all the time for Disorderly Conduct. What about those people? They somehow were more deserving of being arrested, but these two security guards were not?

      The Arlington County Police just made themselves look unjust and biased and subjective by not at the very least arresting both of these security guards.

      • DB

        If this fight occurred in the loading dock as reported disorderly conduct does not fit. I have attached the code. It was not in a public place. Prosecuting for assault without a cooperating victim won’t work either as the court will just dismiss the case.

        § 18.2-415. Disorderly conduct in public places.

        A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if, with the intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he:

        A. In any street, highway, public building, or while in or on a public conveyance, or public place engages in conduct having a direct tendency to cause acts of violence by the person or persons at whom, individually, such conduct is directed; or

        B. Willfully or being intoxicated, whether willfully or not, and whether such intoxication results from self-administered alcohol or other drug of whatever nature, disrupts any funeral, memorial service, or meeting of the governing body of any political subdivision of this Commonwealth or a division or agency thereof, or of any school, literary society or place of religious worship, if the disruption (i) prevents or interferes with the orderly conduct of the funeral, memorial service, or meeting or (ii) has a direct tendency to cause acts of violence by the person or persons at whom, individually, the disruption is directed; or

        C. Willfully or while intoxicated, whether willfully or not, and whether such intoxication results from self-administered alcohol or other drug of whatever nature, disrupts the operation of any school or any activity conducted or sponsored by any school, if the disruption (i) prevents or interferes with the orderly conduct of the operation or activity or (ii) has a direct tendency to cause acts of violence by the person or persons at whom, individually, the disruption is directed.

        However, the conduct prohibited under subdivision A, B or C of this section shall not be deemed to include the utterance or display of any words or to include conduct otherwise made punishable under this title.

        The person in charge of any such building, place, conveyance, meeting, operation or activity may eject therefrom any person who violates any provision of this section, with the aid, if necessary, of any persons who may be called upon for such purpose.

        The governing bodies of counties, cities and towns are authorized to adopt ordinances prohibiting and punishing the acts and conduct prohibited by this section, provided that the punishment fixed therefor shall not exceed that prescribed for a Class 1 misdemeanor. A person violating any provision of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

        • Ross

          The fact is; it occurred in a PUBLIC BUILDING. Regardless of whether it happened in the loading dock, underground parking deck, on the roof, in the basement, in a back room, etc, etc. A fight in a mall building is still considered a PUBLIC BUILDING, no matter where it occurs in such a place.

          The only defense against Disorderly Conduct is if it happens in a PRIVATE DWELLING, such as inside your own home. Then it is not considered a public building.

          I know a lot more about the law than you think I do.

          • Tone man

            Ballston Commons Mall is private property, with public access. However, as it applies to the County Ordinance 17-3 Disorderly Conduct – it does not make a difference. I stand corrected, you are right, it is a Class 1 Misdemeanor. I’d take it up with the DA if you feel so strongly about it.

          • Orange Rider

            ACPD have a small office/substation down by the loading dock. Not much more than a small room with a locking door and mostly windows above about 4 feet. Small desk, phone, couple of chairs etc.

  • MissKittenCat

    maybe they can put a streetcar inside ballston mall. that will sure bring more people

  • Sugarhokie

    I always thought it would be a perfect location for an IKEA. It already has the parking and space for it and would be the only metro accessible one in the area. It would bring in more revenue and create more jobs.

  • Ajax

    The mall does suck unless you’re looking for an inside bar crawl. The only thing worse than the stores in the mall is the security at the mall. Are people supposed to be seriously intimidated by them? I’m personally happy to hear that they fist fought each other at least I know there are two that can throw punches in a serious situation. They should be required to fist fight each other to get the position of security guard. I recommend a hunger games type situation to fill their spots, because I’m going to assume that they no longer work there anymore. I also suggest broadcasting the game on the televisions down in the food court (the ones that work anyway). Anyone else behind this idea?

  • Smitty

    Clearly some of yall never been to Landmark mall or remember Skyline mall.


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