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UPDATED: D.C. Shooting Suspect’s Car Might Be in EFC Parking Lot

by ARLnow.com | August 15, 2012 at 3:35 pm | 6,647 views | 141 Comments

(Updated at 10:00 p.m.) The suspect in a shooting at the Family Research Council in D.C. might have parked at the East Falls Church Metro station, ARLnow.com has learned.

FBI agents and Metro Police officers blocked off part of the parking lot at the East Falls Church Metro station with crime tape this afternoon. When we photographed the scene, investigators were still in the process of obtaining a warrant to search a car in the parking lot that they believe belongs to the shooting suspect, according to FBI Washington Field Office spokeswoman Rebecca Callahan. Later, news footage showed a silver Dodge Neon being searched and photographed.

The shooting happened around 10:45 this morning at the Family Research Council building at 801 G Street NW, in D.C.’s Chinatown neighborhood. A guard was shot in the arm while confronting a gunman in the building’s lobby, according to various news reports. The gunman was arrested, placed in FBI custody, and charged with Assault with a Deadly Weapon.

In a statement, the FBI has identified the suspect as Floyd Lee Corkins II, 28, of Herndon, Va.

The Family Research Council is a conservative Christian lobbying organization that opposes gay rights, abortion, pornography and stem cell research.

Photos by Katie Pyzyk

 

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  • Chris B

    Nice scoop, Arlnow.

    • Dude Where’s My Car

      +1 Good scoop!

  • Dan

    Interesting that they would have taped off as much as they did for a single car.
    I guess that we now know what make they use for their unmarked vehicles as well.

    • Umarked

      You did not know that cops use Dodge Chargers as unmarked vehicles?

      • Dan

        I mostly see the Crown Vics….the mopar vehicle probably makes more sense based on performance.

    • Stitch_Jones

      Bet they still bust you in one, though.

  • DarkHeart

    Yeah, that won’t backup traffic on 66E trying to exit. Avoid Washington/Sycamore at all costs.

    • Rick

      66 Westbound will have all the gawkers.

    • TomTom

      It’s not backed up at all … traffic cameras show it flying right now. Check before you talk.

      • DarkHeart

        Sycamore was backed up when I posted, and now try Google Traffic Tommy Boy/Girl.

        • SouthPikeGuy

          You pretty much have a 50/50 chance of that statement being true anytime though.

  • AL

    BREAKING NEWS from ARLNOW!

    • TomTom

      and no mugshot yet!

  • South Side Chris

    So he took the train instead of driving in. Interesting. Does this mean it’s easier to own a gun in VA than to get a parking space in downtown DC during a weekday?

    • Tabby_TwoTone

      +1

  • Siegfried Fischbacher

    Crazy person shoots up hate-group headquarters.

    Only in America.

    • HP2000

      Hate group HQ? Are you opening up for Brandon Jackson this weekend? ‘Cause you are HILARIOUS!

      • Get Your Facts Straight

        The Southern Poverty Law Center designated the FRC as a hate group.

        • Well, duh

          Apparently HP2000′s ignorance is what’s really HILARIOUS.

          • YoBimbo

            ^^

        • Jason S.

          SLPC is just a silly bunch of self-pitying leftists.

          • jackson

            Yeah, the Sacramento Loan Processing Center is nuts?

            Or did you mean SPLC?

        • NoVapologist

          I support gay rights. I believe that abortion should be legal and accessible. I think stem cell research is not just moral but key to unlocking a lot of medical advances. And I am absolutely and positively in favor of porn. Just because somebody holds a different opinion than me on those things doesn’t make them a “hate” group. It just means they have different opinions than me and they have just as much right as I do to profess their ideas.

          • Hattie McDaniel

            Perhaps you should educate yourself on what a “hate group” is. A hate group is an organized group or movement that advocates and practices hatred, hostility, or violence towards members of a race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or other designated sector of society. According to the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), hate groups’ “primary purpose is to promote animosity, hostility, and malice against persons belonging to a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, or ethnicity/national origin which differs from that of the members of the organization.
            It’s not an issue of professing ideas that happen to differ from your own.

          • bobbytiger

            On the other hand, I am opposed to “gay rights”, do not believe in the murder, (err….”abortion), of unborn children, and haven’t made up my mind about stem cell research.
            And while we may have some differing opinions, in the words of the late-great person responsible for the LA riots, Rodney King, isn’t it yet great when we can “all get along”?

    • Mary-Austin

      Yea and they probably fully support his right as a crazy person to bring a gun to their HQ.

    • novasteve

      In liberal la la land, people who d on’t agree with you are “hate groups” :facepalm:

      • You’re a Fool

        Uh, no, that’s not how it works. In the reality-based community, people who spew hated toward groups of people that they don’t like, which is what the FRC does, are “hate groups”.

        • VotersForChange

          You guys need to come up with a new word. “Hate” has lost all relevance now that anything against your agenda is “hate”.

          • Not Me

            Can it really be considered an ‘agenda’ when the LGBT community just want’s to be LEFT THE HELL ALONE?

            The group doing the ‘meddling’ intrinsically has the ‘agenda’.

          • Josh S

            What does this mean?

            “you guys”
            “come up with”
            “relevance”
            “your agenda”
            “now”
            “against”

            I guess it’s the internet so I should just let it go….

      • Hank

        FRC’s positions seem pretty hateful. There’s certainly no justification to shoot their security guard, though. Hope he recovers quickly.

  • chris

    The shooter would have had to transfer at Metro Center.

    • Healthy Canadian

      Not necessarily…it’s a short walk.

  • Rick

    Guilty or innocent, congratulations to him on getting a parking spot there.

  • oh great….

    My car is in that yellow tape area *sigh*

  • South Awwlington

    Uh…the bigger issue is carry a concealed firearm on Metro…

    • Rick

      You’d have to actually see a MTP officer for that to be an issue…

    • LB

      Do you honestly think this man is the first to do that?

      • DarkHeart

        Just ask the Texas Gubner.

    • DCBuff

      Only if he was drinking or eating while on the Metro while carrying that firearm.

    • After Glow

      The VA portions of Metrow are obligated to allow lawful concealed carry. And open carry, too.

      It’s the law. Too bad for you. Respect it. You don’t like it, fine, I don’t like speed limits either, but I gotta abide be them. Capiche?

      He did get a nice parking spot.

  • chris

    guess the shooters car… I don’t see a Prius in the taped off area….

    • CrystalMikey

      totally the Nissan Cube

      • http://purple.com/purple.html Captain Pup McPuppo

        no question

      • JamesE

        automatic

    • LB

      I thought it might be the Porsche. No self-respecting gay rights activist would be caught dead in a Cube.

      • Red Rider

        Who said he was gay? The Family Research Council hates a lot more than the gays.

        • LB

          He was carrying promotional info from Chic-Fil-A. Last I checked, the only controversy they’ve been involved in is the gay rights issue.

          • Stella Liebeck

            Well that settles it then.

          • LB

            From the Washington Post:

            “Corkins, who had been volunteering recently at a community center for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people, made a negative comment about the organization’s activity before the shooting…”

            So, yes, I stand by my comment that he is a gay rights activist. No need for your smarmy responses.

    • Dezlboy

      the black Subaru Impreza Outback

    • LB

      According to NBC4 is the silver Dodge Neon.

  • chris

    I always wondered why the EFC metro station was in N. Arlington…..

  • arlgal

    Some news outlets are reporting the guy’s name now, and if accurate, it appears either he or his father work at APS.

    • Autoexec.bat

      Link?

    • WL95

      Great, elementary kids.

      • Tabby_TwoTone

        His dad didn’t do it!

    • Rick

      After reading similar speculation, gotta wonder why a gym teacher at Tuckahoe didn’t just park at Tuckahoe and walk to the train station. If that was him. Ya know… speculation.

  • TomTom

    Love how NBC4 just promoted “exclusive video” of it. So ARLNow breaks it, NBC4 takes the credit for video and makes no mention to Scott. Isn’t journalism fun?

    • LB

      ARLnow doesn’t have video. All he said was NBC has exclusive video of them searching the car.

  • Jeff

    I never condone this kind of act, I think it’s horrible that it happened and I wish the guy a quick, easy recovery.

    Having said that, however, it’s easy to see how the kind of hate that spews from the FRC could push an already unbalanced person over the edge and into a violent act. It’s not an excuse, but a possible reason that it happened.

  • James Moron

    The FBI Spokesperson for the Washington office is named James McJunkin??? Seriously?

  • James Moron

    So this guy drove in from Herndon to park at EFC metro and take it into DC to shoot someone. And – stopped at a Chic-Fil-A beforehand (perhaps Ballston as the only one in DC is at Catholic U).

    Coming from Herndon to Arlington – sounds like Bailey’s on a Friday.

  • Ralph

    Herndon!

    I knew it!

    • DCBuff

      Uh, yeah, but was it South Herndon or North Herndon?

  • JimPB

    PLEASE ARLNow.Com — no speculation about who the shooter’s father might be. The negative stigma of a mistake is not easily undone. Stick with facts.

    And even if the speculation about the occupation of the shooter’s father turns out to be correct, what does this information add of significance to understanxding the shooting.

  • Casey

    Terrible journalism:
    ” We’re also hearing that the suspect’s father may be a physical education teacher at Tuckahoe Elementary School, though so far that is unconfirmed.”
    Never run anything unless it’s confirmed. One of the first rules of legitmate journalism.
    People were in an uproar over mugshots being used for two murder victims but not this?

    • TomTom

      the new normal for ARLnow …. and i agree speculation has no business on here. Its something I learned in j-school

      • CW

        You went to a J school? Man, you must have no self respect!

        (If you dont get the joke, see “B school” discussion in domestic incident thread)

        • jackson

          Ha! As asinine as the great Does B mean “business” or “not an A” debate was, I did love how it typifies the internet.

          “Let’s argue semantics in a thread about domestic violence!”

  • Casey

    For the record there are about 23 “Corkins” throughout Virginia. Either confirm the relationship or strike it from the article.
    What say you, ArlNow?

    • http://www.arlnow.com ARLnow.com

      We’re standing by our reporting. While we don’t have absolute confirmation, we published what we had been hearing from sources because public records point to there being no logical conclusion other than the teacher and the suspect being father and son. Until we receive confirmation, however, we’re not going to publish the teacher’s name.

      • Casey

        Very sad. I stand by my comment that it’s terrible journalism.
        And your last bit “…we’re not going to publish the teacher’s name.” is truly a joke.
        Society of Professional Journalists’ code of ethics says: Recognize that private people have a greater right to control information about themselves than do public officials and others who seek power, influence or attention. Only an overriding public need can justify intrusion into anyone’s privacy.

        And:

        Admit mistakes and correct them promptly.

        • bman

          Remember when everyone tweeted some old guy’s home address named George Zimmerman? Scared those old timers to death.

        • Josh S

          +1000

      • Bluemontfred

        Not sure how his father or his father’s employment has to do with this story.

      • Staff at Tuckahoe

        You have it wrong ArlNOW. There is a Floyd Corkins that works at Tuckahoe and is a Vet with a high school aged son who is not named Floyd. Get your facts straight before harming someones reputation.

        • http://www.arlnow.com ARLnow.com

          That information and the public records we have reviewed still point to the teacher as being the suspect’s father. However, we have removed the reference from the article for now.

          • Bluemontfred

            I still fail to realize how that is relevant.

          • Lee-n-Glebe

            Because, objectively, it is Arlington-related.

      • Josh S

        Wimpy.
        “….we’re not going to publish the teacher’s name.”

        But occupation and place of work? At which there can be only two or three such persons? Hardly protecting anyone’s privacy are you? And for what? How does it matter?

  • CW

    So if you take out all the maybes, allegedlys, and we’re hearings, you get a bunch of nothing. The authors are very close, however, to confirming that the sky is blue.

  • Dezlboy

    NY TIMES has best update…..

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2012/08/15/us/politics/ap-us-security-guard-shooting.html

    Shooter was a volunteer at a GLBT organization. Let the sparks fly….

    • jackson

      He also may have preferred Star Trek to Star Wars.

      • Kony Thornheiser

        Can we all agree Star Trek had FAR better dialogue?

        • Chewbacca

          WooaaaaAAAAAHHHHH!!!

        • Josh S

          Which one?

          But in general, no way (at least not when compared to the original Star Wars).

          “That’s no moon.”
          “I thought I smelled your foul stench when I came on board.”
          “Don’t get cocky, kid.”
          “These aren’t the droids you’re looking for.”
          “Would someone get this big walking carpet out of my way.”

          Etc.

  • After Glow

    And to keep the author’s bias to a somewhat minimum:

    Since 1983, Family Research Council (FRC) has advanced faith, family and freedom in public policy and public opinion.

    Since apparently, bias is all the rage here at ARLNow. Whether or not they oppose something the author agrees, with, try to keep it objective, right? That’s what news/journalism used to be about.

    Or is this not a news/journalistic outfit here and simply someone’s opinion blog with pretty pics since they’re mostly missing from the gainful employment scene?

    And btw, I don’t agree with the FRC either. But you walk around spewing this stuff, it’ll come around and getchya. Karma can wreak havoc.

    • jackson

      “Since 1983, Family Research Council (FRC) has advanced faith, family and freedom in public policy and public opinion.”

      That sounds more like info from their website, which I would also hesitate to call a “fact.”

  • After Glow

    I think it shows strangely how those who don’t agree with the FRC label it “hateful”. Look, 7th grade starts in a few weeks, you can get your locker assignment now if you try.

    I don’t like or agree with bible thumpers, but I wouldn’t call them a hateful group. Odd, and maybe kooky, but not hateful. Having an opinion other than your own is good. You’re a petty small person if you don’t realize that. And you won’t rule the Earth that way either. Step outside your selfish dome for a few mins, because you’re no better than some bigot on the talk “news” shows.

    • Jeff

      The FRC isn’t just a group that doesn’t agree with gay rights. There’s a reason the Southern Poverty Law Center labeled them a hate group.

      This blog post explains some of it and has links to other sources:

      http://gay.americablog.com/2012/08/shooting-at-family-research-council.html

      I think you’ll see that they do way more than have an opinion different than my own.

  • DrD

    The Family Reasearch Council reaps what it sows. When you sow seeds of hate and intolerance you will get hate and intolerance revisited upon you. Not that what this guy did is right, but I can understand his frustration. The FRC has been provoking people with their inflamatory rhetoric for years. I hope they take this action to heart and scale back their violent hate mongering language.

    • bman

      You mean having some morals and values is wrong?

    • novasteve

      Wow, liberal “tolerance” on display. I suppose you then think that legal abortion causes abortion clinic bombings as well, or is this when you begin to back peddle?

      • Vision Quest

        No, narrowminded and desperate losers who think they are God’s messenger on Earth are the reason for abortion clinic bombings.

  • jorge1234

    The anti-chik-fil-a hysteria is officially out-of-hand.

    Hey libs, the 2nd amendment is for protecting ourselves against an oppressive government, not using it to violate our first amendment.

    • Zzzzzz

      What does an illegal know about “our” right.

  • JimPB

    ARLNow.Com — If the comment above from the staff at Tuckahoe is indeed from them, an unqualified apology appears in order to the phys ed teacher at Tuckahoe. Thanks to ARLNow.Com, he is now wrongly subject to negative stigma that will be difficult at best to eradicate.
    THe apology should be given both in ARLNow.Com and personally to the wronged person.
    ——
    ARLNow.Com has not provided a satisfactory explanation for reporting the SPECULATION that the shooter’s father was a phys ed teacher at Tuckahoe. Whatever the job of the father of the shooter, there is no reason to identify him at all unless there is confirmation that he had some kind of a role in the shooting, and then, unless there is a relation between his job and/or employer and the shooting, there is no reason to provide that employment information (even if confirmed).

    • Staff at Tuckahoe

      Very Well Said. Thank you.

    • Casey

      Absolutely agree.

    • dk (not DK)

      +1

  • LVGuy

    This act was horrible. Whoever did this, regardless of motive, was unjustified and his actions should be considered a hate crime and he should be tried as such.

    Meanwhile, the FRC and other right wing jerks refuse to speak up when violence is committed against the LGBT community on their behalf, so they can go rot for all I care.

    • novasteve

      Violence on their behalf? Are you capable of making an argument without outright lies and defamatory comments?

      Being against gay marriage = being for violence against gays in the liberal “mind”?

      • LVGuy

        The FRC spends plenty of money telling people that they should do whatever it takes to wipe out homosexuality. Sometimes people are crazy and think that means kill other gay people. Last year there were thousands of cases violence against gay men and women because of who they love, so much that it’s barely reported. Part of the blame lies in the FRC for doing so much to spur the violence, but it rarely takes action to stop it. It’s a hate group for a reason.

        For what its worth, there are plenty of groups that designate the SPLC a hate group that lie on the liberal side of the political spectrum. The reason they are called hate groups is because they target a specific group of people who become a target of violence, hatred, or isolation. Being against gay marriage does not make one a hater, but perpetrating the notion that a group of people doing no harm are not worthy of existing on the same planet as society would, in my opinion, be worthy of hate group status. The FRC has no problem spreading lies about homosexuality that do nothing but harm them.

      • LVGuy

        This article says what I was trying to say in a better way. You can choose to read it or not, but I’m not going to respond to whatever you say.

        http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/08/16/697851/understanding-hate-in-the-wake-of-the-family-research-council-shooting/

    • Josh S

      I doubt his actions will be considered a hate crime. See explanations earlier in the thread.

      • drax

        I don’t see them. I can’t see why it wouldn’t be a hate crime.

        • LVGuy

          According to some sources, hate crime laws don’t apply to violence against exclusively political organizations. Not sure how this will be played out, but there will likely be some attempt to determine if this was a hate crime first.

          • drax

            Unless there’s a court case that says that, I don’t see it in DC’s hate crime statute.

            On the other hand, I’m not sure I see a hate crime at all. Hard to say. This was an attack on a group for its beliefs, sort of the reverse of a typical hate crime.

          • LVGuy

            I plead ignorance when it comes to the law, so I don’t know for sure. While I wholeheartedly disagree with the FRC and related organizations, I’m inclined to believe that this could be considered a hate crime. He was targeting individuals for their beliefs and actions, the same way that people attack gays for their actions.

  • Jackson

    I’m sad that when nuts do this–use guns to make a statement against a group or philosophy (remember the guy at the Holocaust museum?)–it’s the security guard who takes the fall, most likely some dude who couldn’t care less about the groups’ views, just a guy punching the clock. Hope his injuries aren’t too serious.

  • Someone

    Arlnow, It’s a bit disingenuous to say FRC “opposes gay rights.” You might have meant to say “they don’t believe in legalizing same-sex marriage” etc. but they certainly believe gay people have rights, just not those “rights” some people think they deserve.

    • drax

      But they do actually oppose the rights of gays, independent of the whole marriage thing.

      • Someone

        But the word “rights” and what it means is subjective, based on what you think qualifies as a right So I’m sure FRC believes they have a right to the free practice of religion, or a right to vote. They also think gays should be able to marry. Just not someone of the same sex. As a more absurd example, which might help you understand why I think it’s disingenuous to say they oppose gay rights, what if I thought it was my right to have ice cream given to me every night by the government, but you didn’t think that falls under what should be considered a right? Would it make sense for someone to say “Drax opposes John Doe’s rights”? It wouldn’t, because not only is it questionable whether having ice cream every night is a right (and right now, it is, because it’s not the law of the land), but it also ignores the fact that John Doe may support every other one of my rights, and therefore such a blanket statement has no meaning.

        • drax

          I understand that, but no, I’m talking about actual rights that we all agree on here.

          • Someone

            Can you expand? What rights that we all agree on do the want to deny to gay people? (or anyone?)

          • drax

            No, we all agree that certain rights exist and should exist, and they want to deny those to gays. They believe that its fine for gays to be discriminated against in hiring, for example.

    • LVGuy

      Te FRC and similar organizations support laws that would make it illegal for gays to work in public schools, rent out public spaces (for marriage or otherwise), work for governments, defend the country, or work as physicians, nurses, and counselors. They still support criminalizing homosexuality by enacting laws and reversing Lawrence v. Texas. They can blame me for their own marriage failures or the so-called demise of the country, but those other things they advocate for are nothing short of hate.

  • novasteve

    To those who call groups like FRC a “hate group”, are you a hateful person or a bigot for denying muslims and mormons the right of polygamy? Do you hate muslims and mormons?

    Liberals cheapen words like racist and hate by throwing them out there when they don’t even remotely apply. Stop crying wolf.

    • Vision Quest

      Words like “hate group”, “terrorist”, “socialist”, and “fascist” are use out of any proportion or context to when they actually apply, which does us all a disservice and weakens discourse in this country. I fully agree with you on that.

      • drax

        Much like people on the right use words like “socialist”.

    • http://tiny.cc/nqa5iw Pattib

      Read / watch for yourself. They are a leader in opposing gay rights in marriage, adoption, workplace discrimination, and other venues where LGBT individuals seek equality.
      http://tiny.cc/nqa5iw

  • LuvDusty

    “they don’t believe in legalizing same-sex marriage” etc. but they certainly believe gay people have rights, just not those “rights” some people think they deserve.

    I was born in the U.S. I pay taxes. I have not broken any laws. I am an adult gay male that has been in a long term relationship (7+ years) with my partner, who is also born in the U.S., pays taxes and has never broken the law.

    I very much resent the comment above. I have and should have the exact same rights and legal recourse than any other law-abiding, tax paying citizen of this country.

    I am sick and tired of not having equal standing under the law. I do not want to get married in your church or unde your religion. All I want is the right to legally marry my partner in city hall if I so desire and all the legal protections and tax benefits, hospital visitation rights, inheritance rights, rights to medical decisions, etc…that come with any other legal marriage.

    END OF DISCUSSION and leave your prejudices at home. This is a legal issue, not a social one.

    As for the shooter at FRC–I agree that was a horrible act no matter what his reasons behind it. Guns are never the answer–all they do is cause more trouble and anger and hatred. An eye for an eye and we will all end up blind.

    So whether a right-wing fundamentalist, or a left-wing liberal shot someone doesn’t matter…it’s all wrong in my view.

    • Taylor

      Oh, I get it. Since you and your friend pay taxes, then all the rest of us have to accept your ideology and your social wish-list.

      END OF DISCUSSION.

      • Josh S

        Not necessarily. But you do have to leave them alone, just as you’d leave anyone else alone. You can’t fight to restrict their rights.

        • LuvDusty

          Thank you Josh. I’m not asking for special rights…I’m asking for the SAME RIGHTS you have, Taylor. Get over it.

          • drax

            But isn’t marriage a special right by definition?

            Don’t worry, I don’t buy into that stupid “special rights” crap the anti-gay people spew. But marriage is not a right in the same sense of other rights. It’s something the government gives out to certain people who qualify for it. I support gay marriage, I’m just quibbling with this reasoning.

        • drax

          Is marriage a right though, in the same sense as other rights? If so, everyone should be allowed to marry anyone they want in any way. Yet even after gays get marriage, others will still be excluded. Mormons and Muslims will still be denied polygamous marriage, for instance. Are their rights being denied too?

          I support gay marriage. But marriage is something we decide belongs to only certain people, and we can’t escape that.

      • LuvDusty

        Yes Taylor, actually you do. : )

        END OF DISCUSSION.

    • novasteve

      Why aren’t you fighting for incestuous couples to get the right to marry as well?

      Why aren’t you outraged about having to register with the selective service, and women don’t? You register or you go to jail, get fined, and be denied federal benefits for your entire life. Where’s the outrage?

      • LuvDusty

        Novasteve: If Brittany Spears can get married for 48hrs or Kim Kardashian can get married for 48 days, I really don’t see how two gay men or gay women getting married is any different?

        And comparing same-sex marriage to incest is really a stupid comparison. Take 2 secs to think about it.

        • drax

          But your statement is akin to someone saying “comparing marriage to gay marriage is really a stupid comparison” too.

        • novasteve

          How is it stupid? If they are consenting adults, and want to get married, is it hateful to deny them the right to marry because they are related?

          Is it hateful to deny muslims and mormons polygamy?

      • drax

        How do you know he’s not fighting for incestuous couples to marry or outraged by the lack of women being drafted, steve?

        Answer – you don’t.

    • Someone

      Hey, I totally agree you should be able to make up a contract and have the same rights as a couple who signs a marriage contract. I don’t know why the government is in the business of marriage anyway, since it’s none of their business. So I’m sorry you resent my comment, but I think the smart thing to do would be to fight to eliminate the govt’s involvement with this in the first place. Not trying to redefine a legal definition of marriage. We should just redefine what the government’s involved with in the first place.

  • JimPB

    Someone — Interesting idea to get the governments out of “the business of marriage.” Start with with elimination of income tax, spousal benefit and inheritance laws and continue through child support and other laws relating to marriage.

    As a practical matter, there is overwhelming support for most if not all of the “marriage” law provisions; an alternative to elimination is revision of the above (and other relevant) laws (should they be, at least in their current form) to apply when there was an appropraite contactual agreement (this could be inherent in a marriage) between two persons who were eligible and competent to enter into such an agreement.

    Indeed, since something like 30 states now have constitutional provisions defining marriage as involving a man and a woman, extending the laws concerning marriage to apply to contractual agreements between two parties, irrespective of gender, appears to me to be the most promising way forward.

  • LuvDusty

    In Latin America and most of Europe, there is a clear understanding of the difference between marriage under the law and marriage under the church/religion.

    They are separate as they should be.

    Why we mix the two in this country (from a legal standpoint) is just ridiculous.

    My only concern is with having the same exact legal recourse as everyone.

    As for all the comparisons some people are making, it’s gotten really tiresome folks..let’s get real.

    The better comparison would be to interracial marriage, which was, up until Loving vs. Virginia, illegal in many states, remember? Or is your memory that short?

    To tell two consenting adults what kind of relationship they can or can not get into is not the business of my neighbor or the church or the government.

    I am all for individual churches/religions having their own rules that govern the folks who believe in that religion.

    I am a non-believer and am not affiliated with any church or religion. I don’t believe in the Bible or in any organized religion…why on Earth should I be subject to their rules? Ridiculous.

    I am however, a law-abiding, tax paying and voting citizen born in these United States and as such, I have THE RIGHT to all the same exact legal recourses that my straight brothers and sisters have.

    END OF DISCUSSION…INDEED.

  • LuvDusty

    And by the way, those against same-sex marriage, you better start getting used to it, because the tide is changing.

    The younger generation has a totally different view on this and considers it a non-issue. Not to mention the hundreds of children who are now, as I type, being raised by same-sex couples across America and across the World.

    Several studies have already shown that these children, raised by LGBT parents, are actually more accepting of diversity and difference and more likely to lead us into a new way of thinking…one in which, gender, sexuality, color of skin, etc…is a non-issue.

    So those of you who still continue to believe that being gay is wrong or that same-sex marriage is similar to incest or bestiality…well you folks will continue to have the right to your opinion, of course, but you will find yourselves, like the KKK and other hateful groups, spouting your prejudice on deaf ears.

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