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by ARLnow.com — March 11, 2013 at 9:45 am 1,928 145 Comments

A plane on approach to Reagan National Airport, seen from Gravelly Point

Vote Expected on Homeless Shelter — The Arlington County Board is expected to vote this weekend on a use permit for the planned year-round homeless shelter at 2020 14th Street N. in Courthouse. A group of neighbors has vehemently opposed the shelter, which is located two blocks from the existing emergency winter shelter. [Sun Gazette]

Opposition to Environmental Cuts — One local environmental advocate is sounding the alarm about proposed cuts in the County Manager’s proposed budget. The budget would cut a Natural Resources Specialist at the Long Branch Nature Center, would eliminate an “urban forestry” position,” and would shrink the budget for tree plantings, tree supplies and invasive species control. [Arlington Mercury]

Proposed 2013-14 School Calendar – The 2013-14 school year for Arlington Public Schools would begin on Tuesday, Sept. 3 under a proposed calendar that administrators presented to the School Board. [Arlington Public Schools]

Volunteers Pack 60,000+ Meals — A group of volunteers packed more than 60,000 meals for the hungry on Saturday. The meals — a lentil casserole consisting of “lentils, dehydrated vegetables, rice, vitamins and Himalayan sea salt” — were packed in baggies that will be distributed through the Arlington Food Assistance Center and the Capital Area Food Bank. [Sun Gazette]

  • novasteve

    May the board members be head PERSONALLY liable for any and all violent acts committed by the homeless so the board can get their feel good moment. May no county funds be used to pay the lawsuits, the board members shall be personally liable if they want this so badly.

    • Hank

      I’m not sure I understand your point. There will be homeless people in Arlington regardless of whether or not the location of the shelter changes.

      • novasteve

        But the shelter will attract more. They are attracting them to a busy commercial and residential area. Unless these are magical homeless people, most will be mentally ill and there will be crime as a result. They could have chosen another location that would mean less risk to the people there. Yet they didn’t. Since they didn’t, they should be held personally accountable for any financial liability that the county might face as a result. If they aren’t prepared to do this, then they should think of another plan.

        • drax

          So we should not have any facilities for the mentally ill at all, steve? No treatment, no housing, no help at all – just hope they go away?

          Are you and your family immune to mental illness? It could never happen to you?

          Should we exclude or discourage any group we think is more prone to crime than the average? Be VERY careful with your answer to that one.

          • novasteve

            Don’t you accuse me of putting words into other people’s mouths? Where do you come up with this? I don’t even have a problem with a homeless shelter with some county funds. My problem is where they are putting it, ESPECIALLY when they whien about having budget problems and want to raise taxes. Why pick one of the most expensive areas that has people living there? If you deny that the homeless put people at risk, then you are denying reality. Most of them are seriously mentally ill. You normally don’t have children around the homeless, but now you will thanks to the decision of the board. I hope you can live withyourself, because people like you are just as responsible as the person who hurts the child, because you thought your feel good moment was more important than the risk you imposed.

          • drax

            Steve, YOU just complained loudly about a shelter attracting the homeless.

            And children? Some children ARE homeless. Think about that.

          • novasteve

            This type of shetler doesn’t cater to homeless families. It’s not people who lost their homes because someone lost their job and couldn’t pay their mortgage. This is mentally ill people. You know, the people who yell at themselves, smell like urine, etc.. Stop confusing the issues. If this were a shelter for people who lose their homes due to the economy, there probably would be no opposition other than the cost and would be fine if it were in a cheaper area. But that’s not hte case. THese are SEVERELY mentally ill people.

        • Hank

          Gotcha. Although I disagree that moving the shelter two blocks away is going to lead to a mass migration of homeless people to Courthouse. I am sorry that you are perpetually being assaulted by homeless people, though.

          • novasteve

            It’s not the distance that’s the major problem it’s the YEAR ROUND nature of the new place that will attract homeless people to the area. Again, answer why when the county is having budgetary problems they would spend the extra money on a homeless shelter in a very very expensive part of arlington rather than a less expensive part?

          • Hank

            But I think you can already see a problem with that solution; if you move the shelter to a less expensive area (and assuming the homeless will relocate to the new shelter), the neighborhood taking the shelter on will have the same complaint as the Woodbury people. They’re just not as wealthy, and maybe not as vocal in their opposition. It’s not fair to thrust NIMBY stuff onto less affluent areas. Besides, the shelter in Courthouse is near the police station. So assuming your theory that more homeless people will lead to more crime, there’s a solution already in place.

          • novasteve

            There are areas that are less expensive that don’t have that many people, and the argument is still stronger to move it to a less expensive area because it will save the county money if they MUST do this.

        • Scott

          But where are homeless going to choose to go –maybe busy commercial areas? No? Are you proposing to effectively incarcerate these folks to a more out of the way location that would be more convenient for you.

    • http://twitter.com/Dezlboy Dezlboy

      @novasteve, are you aware of any reason why the board members can’t be sued in court? And the County lawyers represent the County, not the board members. Thus, if the interests of the two are not the same, the board member must provide their own legal assistance. (Although, any public official would know to get their own legal council regardless).

      • novasteve

        They are acting in their capacity as a public official, hence it’s the county that would be liable as a result of criminal consequences of the shelter. They would have to submit to personal liability, they’ll say it was unforseeable that such crime could have been predicted, and the only people you could sue would be the county itself, not the board as individuals. i’m not concerned about the deeper pockets the county obviously has, I would want to punish the board members personally who cared more for their feel good moment than they did for the safety of the people. They need to be made to hurt if anything negative comes about from this, because they created the situation where it could happen. So they could have a feel good moment.

        • Scott

          Your mechanism to “hurt” and “punish” the board to vote them out. That’s it.

          • kalashnikev

            I wouldn’t be so fast to say that. I guarantee you that at least one member of the county board will be in jail in the next two years.

  • ASnowman

    Sea salt from the Himalayas? Does it date from Noah?

    • novasteve

      You can buy a himalayan salt thing with built in grinder from trader joes for $1.99. It’s pink too!

    • ARL

      Just googled it. The answer is…it’s not sea salt at all.

      And only in Arlington would they feed lentils and some fancy-ass salt to the homeless instead of balogna sandwiches on white bread.

      • ArlingtonWay

        Seriously. You can’t make this stuff up.

      • Arlington Chris

        You realize that this meal is ridiculously cheap, yes?

        - Rice, 15 pounds for $22 (roughly 30 cups), 0.5 cup per serving so 37 cents for rice

        - Lentils, 50 pounds for $99, roughly 110 cups. Since there is rice in
        the dish also, assume 0.25 cup of dry lentils per person, 45 cents for
        the lentils.

        - 2 pounds of “fancy Himalayan salt” for $9 will be enough for between 400 to 800 meals, or 2.25 cents per meal.

        So ballpark, you’re looking at 37 + 45 + 2.25 cents — less than $1 per meal.

        • ARL

          I didn’t say it was expensive, just fancy-ass.

          Though I wager there’s salt out there that’s cheaper than “Himilayan sea salt” (which is actually plain old mined salt from Pakistan).

          • ilikelentils

            I’d guess that the Himalayan Sea Salt was a donation–and I don’t find it particularly surprising that Arlingtonians donate “fancy-ass” salt. Not only is the above meal cheap, it’s also nutritious! Unlike “balogna sandwhiches on white bread.” I don’t see what the issue is.

          • ARL

            Okay, so only in Arlington would someone donate Himalayan sea salt.

            (Which comes from a dry mine 350 km from the Himalayas).

          • Tim

            Food kitchens and homeless shelters in urban areas receive a significant portion of their food from restaurants and grocers.

            These donations are generous and heart warming. Mocking the homeless for being given prepared from nice ingredients is stingy and heartless.

            That God there are more of the generous and less of you.

          • ARL

            1. These meals aren’t only going to homeless people.

            2. Nobody is mocking anyone. I’m glad hungry people are getting fed and kudos to everyone who is helping make that happen. I’m mocking a kind of salt.

          • speonjosh

            Didn’t come across that way.

          • speonjosh

            Fancy ass? So you’d be thrilled to be consuming this on a daily basis? It’s rice and beans, dude.

  • JoseR

    Vote Expected on Homeless Shelter

    Why does Arlington (Courthouse) want the riff raff of DC? Courthouse already has problems with vandalism and derelicts hanging out the Metro Station.

    • ARL

      Your comment makes me support the shelter even more.

    • Jesus Mary Joseph

      Mentally ill = derelicts?

      Maybe we can band together and execute those who remind us the the frailty of the human condition.

      • JoshInBallston

        +1 (to your proposal)

        • speonjosh

          I believe this has been tried already. It didn’t end well for either side.

          • JoshInBallston

            Maybe executions are too far. But I don’t see a problem with tough anti-riff-raff laws and optional work camps where they can productively earn some cash, be fed, closed, and housed, and kept away from us taxpayers. And for the armchair lawyers amongst us, banning sitting and sleeping on the sidewalk is a time-place-manner restriction that is perfectly congruent with the First Amendment.

            Remember, 40 years or so we used to lock up the mentally ill in institutions and/or give labotomies. Since then budgets have been cut and PC “advocates” have pushed for ineffective outpatient care instead, and the problem has gotten worse.

          • speonjosh

            “maybe?”
            “riff-raff?”
            “us taxpayers?”

            If this was an attempt to humanize your original post, I think you didn’t quite succeed.

          • JoshInBallston

            You seem to be under some impression that myself (and Kev below) are seeking to be humanitarians. We’re not. I couldn’t care less about the homeless. No one is entitled to anything from others by the mere incidence of sperm meeting egg. There are some people who provide net positive value to society, and others who provice net negative. I have no interest in perpetuating the net negatives.
            And if you think about it from a completely amoral viewpoint (ie. a focus on efficiency), it’s hard to argue they have value and should be supported at others’ expense.

          • GerryG

            JoshinBallston, your views turn my stomach..

          • JoshInBallston

            And your insistence on pissing away my money on those who smell like piss turns mine. As does, of course, their smell of piss.

          • GerryG

            JoshinBallston, it quite clear from your posts here today that you have little regard for others. And that you have absolutely no sense of charity for your fellow man. Life is not all about you.

          • JoshInBallston

            Charity is the act of voluntary giving. Paying taxes is not a voluntary act. And so long as I am forced to pay those taxes, I want those taxes spent on services that a) benefit everyone, including myself, like police & fire; or b) are investment such as education that will yield positive returns in the future. Feeding the homeless animals falls into neither of those buckets.
            But you can whine all you like about my lack of wanting the government to keep throwing my hardearned money at keeping the useless sustained. The fact is, the people in Congress who matter (The conservative House GOP) agree more with me than with you and soon we’ll have a governor who does as well.

          • jackson

            Back under your bridge, troll.

          • GerryG

            JoshinBallston, I think you kind of missed the boat with your narrow and convenient definition of charity.

            From Merriam-Webster, a definition of charity that’s a bit broader and the basis for my earlier post: “generosity and helpfulness especially toward the needy or suffering; also: aid given to those in need”

            But, as you said earlier, “I couldn’t care less about the homeless”. Life really does seem to be all about you.

          • JoshInBallston

            Life is not all about me. I support heavy spending on public education though I don’t have kids. That’s because education is onvestment that will realize future returns. Spending on the homeless vermin is just wasting money as they are, on average, very unlikely to ever pay more in taxes again than was spent on them.

          • GerryG

            JoshInBallston, The homeless aside, are you opposed to helping anyone that’s suffering or in need unless there’s some sort of “return”? Regardless of their circumstances? Their character? Their previous contributions to community and society?

          • JoshInBallston

            Yes, I’m opposed to the gov’t doing it. Unless they have an expected value (probability x potential repayment back to society) that exceeds the cost of caring for them, I am opposed.

          • Chris Palmer

            JoshInBallston, there’s this guy who apparently lived ages ago who preached the exact opposite of what you’re on about. You know him as Jesus Christ. He was kind of cool.

          • JoshInBallston

            You mean that guy whose followers are responsible for more killing, homophobia, misogyny, science-denial, and child sexual abuse than any other group in human history?

      • kalashnikev

        That’s kind of harsh… how about we just send these good fellows on their merry way instead?

        • speonjosh

          Just “kind of harsh?” What a humanitarian you are.
          “On their way?” To where, exactly? They’re homeless.

          I imagine that were you ever to own a factory, you’d advocate for building taller smokestacks rather than building a cleaner factory, huh?

          • kalashnikev

            I don’t care where- DC is right across the bridge, pack up the bindle and get to steppin. I’m sure there’s a boxcar and a jug of wine available somewhere near Crystal City. Part of maintaining a “nice place” is creating an environment that is inhospitable for dirtbags. It’s actually a passive system too- you never have to actively deal with them because they’re creating problems somewhere else.

    • Ellie

      It is my understanding that you actually have to be a resident of Arlington in order to frequent the shelter. I questioned this when I went there for the first time to volunteer, as it seemed difficult to show residency when you are homeless, but apparently they can obtain a driver’s license that will show county residency. So I do not imagine this will increase the numbers who come to this area. Honestly as a female who lives and works in the Court house area I would feel much better with there being a place for the homeless to go to and hopefully get other assistance instead of running into them in isolated areas of Arlington, or, better yet, in stairways of condos, which has happened before.

  • ARL

    Yes, when people complain about the shelter bringing down their neighborhood, let’s remember that it’s only 2 blocks from an existing shelter that’s been there for years.

    • John_Putnum

      Well, if there’s an existing shelter in the neighborhood, then there’s no reason for another. I like Courthouse because it isn’t DC, so the less homeless coming into the neighborhood the better!

      • ARL

        The new shelter will be a year-round one rather than a winter-only one.

        And the homeless would come to your neighborhood regardless of whether there is a shelter there.

      • speonjosh

        Ooooo – can we quote you the next time someone proposes a new road, or expanding an existing road, etc? “Well, there’s already one road there – therefore, we don’t need another.” That’s good! Let me write that one down……

    • John_Putnum

      Well, if there’s a homeless shelter already in the neighborhood, then there is no reason for another. Another shelter will only add to the increased number of vagrants in the Courthouse area.

      • bemused bystander

        It’s not “another”. It’s a replacement with year-round services.

        • ARL

          John, perhaps you should read more before you comment.

    • Red1

      Is this so-called homeless shelter going to offer life-skills to these folks? Or they be give a ham sandwich, and then sent out the door to run loose among the local populace?

      Sounds like another non-profit paying themselves six figures salaries to justify their pay.

      • ph7

        I think they are waiting for you to volunteer to teach them the life skills you have mastered.

        • John_Putnum

          ph7, I’m sure the homeless shelter will appreciate your generous donation of time and money to feed and cloth their clients. What a great addition to the Courthouse area — NOT!

          • drax

            It’s not an addition. There’s already a shelter there. The fact that you don’t even know it’s there disproves your point. Courthouse isn’t a hellhole now.

          • kalashnikev

            The existing Winter Shelter *does* bring an unwanted element into the neighborhood and is already effecting property values. It needs to be closed immediately, and replaced with nothing.

          • speonjosh

            Proof?

          • kalashnikev

            Sure. Just ask anyone who owns property in the effected area. A bunch of us will be at the meeting on Saturday.

            (?)

      • drax

        Red1′s comment is a classic example of the “talking yourself into something,” comment.

        It starts by asking a question that you don’t know the answer to, followed by assuming the answer.

        • John_Putnum

          drax, oh, thanks drax. When can I make an appointment at psychology office?

      • speonjosh

        You mean your own hypothetical, one sentence, uninformed description sounds like someone justifying their pay? Yeah, I agree.

        • JP

          Good you agree with Red1! No Homeless Shelter in Courthouse! It will just add to the increase in vandalism and petty crime.

  • South Awwlington

    For argument’s sake…has the County Board ever received a recommendation from staff, then heard citizen testimony and been swayed by the testimony to NOT follow the staff recommendation? If the Commissions and Boards are nothing more than a rubber stamp of staff recommendations, why bother? Just curious.

    • Arlington Chris

      You should know, living in South Arlington. The Arlington Ridge Civic Association has been fairly successful over the past 3 decades in shaping development of Pentagon City and surroundings. Not saying that the Board has always listened… but the dialogue is there.

      http://www.arcaonline.org

      • South Awwlington

        Right. I get that ARCA is active, vocal and opinionated. My questions is: has the Board ever changed course or gone against staff or Commission opinion? I don’t mean shaving a story or two of a building. I mean…the neighbors don’t want this, therefore were not doing it. You see, if we have Board members who served in districts, oh say …Courthouse or 22202 or what have you…those Board members would be accounted to their constituents. That’s really not the case when all five staggered terms, at-large.

        That really needs to change…and it needs to change to allow for direct representation of the voters.

        I am for the homeless center…I would be pissed if it was next to my condo.

        • ARL

          They are accountable to their constituents. We have one county, not five little counties. The entire county is the constituency, and the board is elected by it.

          Your point may be a good one, but our at-large system doesn’t mean the voters aren’t represented.

          Besides, it would only mean one out of five was elected by a certain district. This way, all five are accountable to the voters in that area.

          • South Awwlington

            I find it more than a little odd that we are the only jurisdiction in the entire NCR that all five members serve at large. Not in DC, not in Alex, not in FFX, Mont Co, Prince George’s etc. Are you arguing that these jurisdictions are actually divided and fiefdoms also?

            I never said we were not represented. We would have a greater voice if our representatives were accountable to a lesser population through wards or districts.

            By having all five at large seats, the pols never have to suffer the real consequences of doing something the county or a particular district is against…which would be removal from office. The dilution that occurs in our current forms needs to change,.

          • ARL

            They never suffer the consequences of doing something the county voters are against? Well, no, that makes no sense. Of course they do. I could argue that an at-large system make them follow the needs of the whole county rather than just one-fifth of it. And it makes all five of them accountable to each region, not just one of them.

          • South Awwlington

            It makes total sense. Divide and conquer the electorate of otherwise politically homogeneous community.

            And it also allows them to alienate sections of the electorate one certain issues and while maintain support from other key sections of voters – thereby preserving their political hides.

            Why not have three wards and two at-large seats of five wards and 2 additional at-large board members?

          • dan

            Because if the elections were to be held in that manner the ACDC would lose its strangle hold on the county…….

          • speonjosh

            Speaking just of DC – there are at-large members as well. Also, the District is much larger both geographically and in terms of population. Also, there are undeniable differences in socioeconomic and other demographic categories as you move around the city. For all the talk about South Arlington and North Arlington, the differences here pale in comparison.

            Fairfax, Montgomery, and Prince George Counties are all hugely larger than Arlington – it makes far more sense to have districts there.

            You are factually incorrect to include Alexandria – the six council members there are all at-large.

          • South Awwlington

            I stand corrected regarding the City of Alexandria.

            I still think a more accurate representation of the electorate are representatives chosen from like demographics. What if all five CB members were elected from the Chain Bridge section of N. Arlington? I don’t think you would feel the same way you do now as those Republicans dismantled all aspects of Human Services from the County budget.

            Let’s face it…if we had wards/districts…we have a Republican or two on the County Board. Period.

          • kalashnikev

            Not every resident of the county is a selfish and petty as the average ARLnow poster. They see our homes and personal safety under attack by the County Board and realize that they could be next. That is why I personally don’t support moving the shelter to cheaper real estate in South Arlington- because I don’t want to see harm done to the good people who live there either. This whole idea needs to go away.

          • speonjosh

            Dannggggg. Someone has been studying with Karl Rove!!!! Right on brother – you got a future in politics fo sho!!

        • AS

          Sure, the County Board told the Planning Commission to go fly a kite when they said they didn’t like the siding of the proposed development at George Mason and Columbia Pike. Of course the Commission was completely in the wrong when they denied the application because they literally did not like the siding.

          • South Awwlington

            I remember that instance. My question was: has the County Board ever received a recommendation from staff, then heard citizen testimony and been swayed by the testimony to NOT follow the staff recommendation? Meaning have they been swayed by testimony of the citizens to back down on a decision?

        • speonjosh

          “Direct representation” – an interesting concept. So who gets to decide what counts and what doesn’t? You?
          Let’s say there was a board member representing 22202 and they voted in favor. Would you then argue for block by block representation?
          Voting in Arlington is done by precinct, of course. Can it be shown that any one or two or three precincts in the county have consistently voted for losing candidates for the Board? I strongly doubt it. It would seem that only then could you possibly have an argument in favor of district representation.

          In general, though, Arlington is far too small for it to make sense.

          • South Awwlington

            Interesting injection of attitude there. Why not have precincts represented by representatives that live in them? Why dilute the representation?

            If DC does it, why don’t we? We have approx 1/3 the population and a little less than half the geographic area.

            Are you arguing that the diversity which is advertised by the County Board and all over arlingtonva.us does not exist? I mean you did say, “Also, there are undeniable differences in socioeconomic and other demographic categories as you move around the city. For all the talk about South Arlington and North Arlington, the differences here pale in comparison.” So economic disparity is greater in DC than in Arlington. I never thought of it that way but I guess in an anecdotal sense, I could see it.

    • ARL

      See the food truck story from today. Perhaps that will be an example.

    • speonjosh

      This usually works best when the citizens complaining actually hold the moral high ground.

      That’s not the case in this issue.

      • South Awwlington

        My question was historical; not about this particular issue.

  • squidgod

    “a lentil casserole consisting of “lentils, dehydrated vegetables, rice, vitamins and Himalayan sea salt”

    Ewww. Poor bastards.

  • kalashnikev

    This Homeless Shelter is a big NO GO. It is simply not going to happen.

    • novasteve

      That’s wishful thinking. Who is going to stop them?

      • kalashnikev

        This is going to be the start a vocal and committed opposition to the current County Board and their policies. They can be as fiscally irresponsible as they want, cut essential services to fund nonsense, etc… but as soon as they start doing real harm to families and destroying property values, it’s going to mark the beginning of the end. This has already woken a lot of people up.

        • speonjosh

          “The end?” Of what, exactly?

          • kalashnikev

            Either “the end” of the Progressive Agenda, or “the end” of Civilization in Arlington County. The choice is up to you…

    • drax

      What exactly are you going to do to stop it, Kev? Be specific.

      • dan

        Trying to provoke someone is not being civil…..

        • drax

          I just asked a question.

        • speonjosh

          Are you kidding? Mr. Kevinator has been on here basically since the inception making comments like this one. It’s just bluster. But like the annoying snot-nosed kid in class who keeps threatening everyone but never does anything, it’s REALLY annoying.

  • Rory

    When walking from Courthouse to Rossyln with my wife and parents this Saturday evening, a large homeless guy in a cape looking jacket asked what time it was. I told him, and then he proceed to walk right with us, singing the same rap verse over and over (complete with F words). We slowed down to pretend to look at a map, and let him pass us. When we start walking, he was waiting around a corner and then jumped in with us one more time, again singing at varying volume. Eventually I asked him why he was walking with us, and he looked at me with a wild-eyed grin: “I just pulled a heist, I got to blend in with the people before finding the shelter” and then giggled.
    I told him to stop following us or I’d call the police, and he responded by violently shaking his head back and forth saying “no, no, no.” He then muttered something about ‘injustices’. I was prepared for fisticuffs at this point. Luckily he left us.
    Later we saw him doing the same thing he was doing to us with a two scared looking 20 something girls walking down the street.
    Luckily it wasn’t quite night yet, as it would have upped the distinct scent of violence in the air. If I was a female and alone, I could imagine how scared I would have been. He was a large man. Who knows what he is capable of, or what possibly imaginery ‘heist’ he was referring to.
    The enlarged shelter will bring more of this type to the area. Some of them should be in mental health institutions or prison. Others are generally harmless drunks or just down on their luck. Either way, I don’t blame any residents for not wanting this type of clientale lounging all over the sidewalks outside their building. The truth is I wouldn’t want them near my apartment either.

    • novasteve

      There’s this guy who walks up and down barton street, picking up everything he sees, then throws it back down. He’s yelled at people, and he made fists at me before. So I presume he’s done that with others too. Prepare for more of this because a year round shelter will attract more.

      • Larry

        You sound frightened. Man up.

        • novasteve

          No doubt you’d tell your daughter who has a homeless man make a fist at her, or worse to “woman up” because you don’t believe in genderal roles or stereotypes, right?

          • jackson

            I doubt you’ll ever see this, but here goes: A man gives a woman unwanted attention on the metro, it’s his first amendment right. If a “bum” gives unwanted attention to you on the street, the sky is falling and we need to round them up. [I guess you call this "He made a fist at me" correlation.]

        • kalashnikev

          Are you suggesting Steve respond to his escalation with fists of his own?

          • Sing the Truth

            That’s so funny. That punk has no game.

      • drax

        There’s a guy who posts on ArlNow, yelling at people and making fists.

    • drax

      So without a shelter, they’ll all go home?

      • novasteve

        There’ won’t be as many of them if there weren’t a shelter. It’s like how Michigan attracts homeless people during nice weather because they have the bottle deposit. You get $.10 per can . YOu build a Port Authority Bus Terminal and you get a lot of seedy elements and stinky bathrooms… It comes with the territory. Now ask, is Courthouse the area where you want this to happen to? Especially given the real estate values? Oh, will the county like the decreased revenues from the decreased value of the neighboring properties or will they come up with their own special system to ignore than impact of value do to having a nearby year round homeless shelter?

        • drax

          Where will they go without a shelter, steve?

          And why should it be somewhere besides Courthouse? I get the cost of real estate there, but if a shelter is so bad, why should it go in my area instead of yours?

    • ARL

      Drunks, eh? We should close down the bars in Courthouse too.

      • JoseR

        We should only close down Courthouse to the affordable housing crowd and DC homeless.

        • ARL

          So, what, put a fence around it and require proof you have a home to enter?

        • speonjosh

          What, exactly, is a “DC homeless?”

      • Rory

        He was not a just a drunk. Don’t be absurd. I don’t even think he was under the influence of anything.

        • ARL

          I was responding to where you said “Others are generally harmless drunks…”

          So should we shut down bars to keep those kind out?

    • jackson

      Just using words isn’t a crime (just ask Steve). You have a problem with his first amendment rights to rap at you?

      • Newtdog

        I think it may have been the “F” bomb or the fact that he was with his wife and kids? Read much?

        • jackson

          He was with his wife and parents, not kids. Minor point, but you are the one telling me to read more carefully.

      • Rory

        I have a problem when someone is walking lock step with myself, wife, and parents and singing curse words. We would slow down, he would slow down. We would speed up, he would speed up. We would stop, he would stop. He was walking just a feet next to from my poor father and mother rapping and staring down people.
        If he was sitting on the corner rapping or singing, I wouldn’t have thought twidce about him or even remembered him. But that’s not what happened.

        • Scott

          And yet somehow this person was in Courthouse BEFORE this terrible homeless has opened. Maybe homeless folks are already here– if you see someone homeless or not committing a crime call the police.

          • Rory

            There is a homeless shelter at Courthouse already, which is what the guy referred to when he said “shelter”. They want to make it bigger and year round.

      • drax

        Steve loves to moan about liberals who want to take away rights, until the shoe’s on the other foot.

        Hey, steve, why are you so INTOLERANT of these people, huh?

        • novasteve

          Since when has living on other people’s dime been a “right”?

          • Scott

            Right- because the homeless choose to be mentally ill. What rational/ sane person chooses to live on the streets so he can live the high life on Steve’s dime?

    • John_Putnum

      Unfortunately this isn’t an isolated occurrence. Especially in the pasted year, these derelicts have become more numerous in the Courthouse – Clarendon area. One of them, who I’ve seen often, lives in the affordable units near route 50. He’s consistently harassing people near the Courthouse metro, yelling the F-word and waiving a mental cane.

      Be it seems some in Arlington, such as ARL, want more of these DC types in the community.

      Forget the homeless shelter in Courthouse, put more police on foot in the neighborhood!

      • malaka

        “Mental cane” is this an imaginary cane? or a good name for a band?

        • jackson

          It wasn’t really there anyway, because he “waived” it.

      • Hank

        How is your anecdote related to the issue at hand? He’s not homeless.

        • JP

          hank, sounds like the guy is living of the taxpayer in affordable housing.

      • speonjosh

        “DC types”?

        Do you not even try to be reasonable?

        • JP

          “DC types” sounds like John_P might means he doesn’t want Arlington to end up like DC, with vagrants and deviants hanging about. Keeping them out sounds good to me.

        • Scott

          he means black people

    • kalashnikev

      This type of Menacing is what ACPD should be dealing with instead of trying to make triple digits on parking tickets in a day or hanging out at the entrance ramp checking stickers. It’s a serious quality of life issue that needs to be addressed.

      • Scott

        Two things that are not mutually exclusive. ACPD should not issue parking tickets until all other crime is first eliminated…

        • kalashnikev

          Just like every type of enterprise, ACPD has resources and they have requirements. They are not properly allocating their resources.

          • Scott

            ACPD like every other enterprise has a budget. Like it or not parking and other citations bring in revenue. Do you want ACPD to give up the revenue producing activities and raise your taxes?

          • kalashnikev

            What’s the break even on paying two cops per entrance ramp salary and benefits, plus burning gas in their car(s)? Do they ever break even?

            Why don’t you ask one of the “early morning jogger” victims who got chased by some guy shining a flashlight on his exposed junk if resources are properly allocated on that watch/shift?

  • novasteve

    Oh, what mechanism will the year round shelter take to make sure that the sexual offenders staying there register as required by law? Or are the people who live and working there just expected to sacrifice their safety as a small price to pay for the Board’s feel good moment?

    • drax

      I don’t know, steve, why don’t you go find out?

      Or will you just assume you know the answer?

      Here’s a new question for you – what mechanism is there to assure that any sex offender who lives in your building, or in a home in your area, is registered? Is that any different?

      • novasteve

        They can be found. They get letters, do business with utilities. Does the homeless shelter even know the name of the people staying there? And upon what proof? Their word?

  • novasteve
  • http://twitter.com/Dezlboy Dezlboy

    The shelter is at good location. Shelter is at 2020 14th Street North and Police Station at 1425 Courthouse Rd.. 51 second walk between the two. Suggest those with issues with shelter location work through their community association and police representative to ensure increased coverage and alertness on part of police. If one is not willing to do this – yes take action instead of just typing away – then to me the issue is one of NIMBY.

    • novasteve

      Aren’t they reducing the size of the police force due to the budget? So how do you expect this to happen exactly?

    • kalashnikev

      The Police force is currently incapable of preventing bank robberies 1 block away and ATM robberies 200m away. What makes you think they are going to be effective in stopping bumcrime?

      Also: ACPD has a history of selective enforcement of laws that go against the County Board and the Progressive Agenda. See: Secure Communities. The integrity of their leadership is compromised.

  • Avila

    If the board contends this will bring no increase of crime, harassment, rape, theft, murder etc., then they should give us a warranty. When one murder, three rapes or five thefts have been committed by residents of the facility, we turn it back into office space and move the shelter to an area of Arlington less populated, less pedestrian and less prone to late night strolls by law abiding citizens. Once the residents have been rehabilitated and are working, they can come enjoy Courthouse.

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