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List of Clarendon Streets Zoned Until the Wee Hours

by ARLnow.com March 29, 2011 at 11:44 am 3,205 90 Comments

Our blurb about extended zone parking hours in the Clarendon area has provoked quite a response. In fact, as of this writing it has received 337 comments and counting, an ARLnow.com record.

For those who asked, we now have a list of the Clarendon-area streets that impose zone parking until the early morning hours. Only residents —  or anyone they give a temporary pass to — are permitted to park on the side of the street from 8:00 a.m. to 1:00 a.m. on these blocks.

  • N. Fillmore St between Franklin Rd and Key Blvd.
  • Franklin Rd. between Edgewood and Filmore Streets
  • N. Garfield St. between Wilson Blvd and Franklin Rd.
  • N. Highland St. between Hancock St and Key Blvd.
  • N. Irving St. between 13th St and Jackson St.
  • N. Herndon St. between 13th St N and Key Blvd.
  • N. Jackson St. between Washington Blvd and 13th St N

In order to obtain the extended hours, residents of each block had to go through the county’s residential permit parking process. First, at least 60 percent of residents signed a petition requesting zone parking hours be extended. Then, county staff studied whether cars from outside the neighborhood were parking on the block, in order to confirm eligibility for the extended hours.

“County staff then surveyed the block to determine if there was parking overspill from outside the neighborhood,” said county spokeswoman Shannon Whalen McDaniel. “In order to meet the overspill standard, 75 percent of the block’s spaces must be filled with cars and 25 percent of the cars must be from outside the neighborhood.”

  • Society

    How about extending Zone 6 parking hours to 24/7 on North 9th Street in Lyon Park from Barton Street until Washington Blvd!

    • dave schutz

      Isn’t that Courthouse?

    • SoCo Resident

      That section of N. 9th is nowhere near as problemed as the streets listed. Many would argue it is not problemed at all between N. Barton and Danville!

    • T

      You have to file a formal petition and go the normal routes.

      Trust me—if no need is shown it will be denied.

      • South Arlington

        You also need two county board members to live in your neighborhood.

        • If all the requirements are met, can the board nix the zoning request?

    • R.Griffon

      One of the few valid questions I’ve seen in this argument is why not just make it 24/7? As long as you’re going until 1am, isn’t it easier to just make it full-time and avoid confusion for everyone?

    • Hope

      As a Lyon Park resident, and I live off N. 9th near Barton, this is not needed. There is ample parking on 9th, it just might not be right in front of your door. There are a lot of county workers and construction workers that park in the area during the day put they work early banker hours and are gone come evening. The only problem I see is county workers getting picked up and dropped off in county vehicles, especially along Pershing. Not appropriate use of county property and gasoline.

  • CW

    I was curious about this when I first read the links about the guidelines for the program – what is their sampling program like for collecting this 75/25 data? If they took the data at 5 AM on a tuesday, it would probably be 100% residents. If they took it at 8 PM on a Friday, there would probably be more out-of-towners. How many samples do they take? Do they time average the data? Is it over a period of days, weeks, months, what? And, here’s a particularly sneaky thought – do the residents know (or are the able to find out) when the data collection will happen? If they knew, then they could move their cars to open up spaces, making their street intentionally more attractive to out-of-towners and thus ensuring that they meet the 72/25 requirement (even in cases where maybe normally there wouldn’t be 25% from out of town).

    I’d just be really curious as to how they ascertain the exact distribution of car origins for the purposes of making these regulations.

    • BallsOn

      It is a well-documented fact that the time and precise sampling methodology are determined by consultation with a Magic 8-Ball. Issues not solveable by the 8-Ball are referred to a Ouija Board.

    • Thes

      I’ve known neighbors who went through this process. The counts are done with 2-3 random spot checks during the hours that the residents have requested the zoned parking. So if the residents request 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., the random spot checks will be done during those times. Likewise with weekday/weekend — the checks occur on the same cycle as the requested restriction. The neighbors are *not* given a heads-up about when the checks will occur. The county staff write down the license plate of every car on the block, and then they check the plates against government records to see where each car is registered. I believe that the data are not averaged, but rather that the block must meet the criteria on each of the times the random check is made. Usually the checks are conducted within a few weeks of the application.

    • DoYourHomework

      Yet another lazy poster. All of your answers can easily be found on the county website.

      • CW

        Thes – thank you for the very useful first-hand information. This is exactly what I was wondering about.

        Worthless loser posting under cutesy name – I checked both the brochure on the website and the county ordinance itself. The former says that the county “will perform a survey”. The latter, at 14.2-99, references “an engineering study” but gives no details to the methods employed, which was what I was asking about. So blow it out your ass.

        • cutesy name worthless loser

          (sound of ass blowing)

    • Anon

      One would hope they are surveying around the time they are seeking to extend the hours too, i.e. 12am for a 1am cutoff.

    • jjbug

      The term “Out-of Towners” is probably not what is counted: this counting is of cars from anywhere out of the particular zoned area! The cars filling up Lyon Village streets closest to Clarendon bring those of us living further away but unwilling to walk a mile to dinner (or a drink!). The restrictions make sense to Lyon Village but puzzle other Arlingtonians who want to enjoy the “color” and food in Clarendon! Wait your turn! As the corridor spreads, you, too, will want your neighborhood streets to be available for your parking needs, and you will begin to understand that having a car even a mile from the corridor may not make good sense. Buy a house with a driveway and garage if you can! Remember, in Clarendon, condo and apartment dwellers are not eligible for any zoned parking areas. If their car[s] cannot be accommodated in their bldg parking garage, they pay meter prices for any on-street parking or park on un-zoned streets and walk back that mile to the condo or apartment.

      • T

        why does it have to be street? Park in a garage or one of the metered spots. Ballston is almost all metered. There are no close SFH neighborhoods directly adjacent to the action.

  • All this is going to do is have cars piling up to park along Key Blvd and along 13th St since all streets where the hours have been extended run perpendicular to Key and 13th. Key and 13th themselves remain unchanged.

    • 22201

      This can be a real hassle for parents at kindercare at 13th and Ivy having to fight Happy hour parkers. Please adjust those hours till 7 pm. It is already crowded on Thursday and fridays.

  • Observer

    I guess everyone is going to park on Hartford and Hudson St. now. I guess those homeowners didn’t complain enough.

    • IFS

      Hudson should be included on the list as well. The signs are already up.

      • South Arlington

        Poor Hartford St. then. My best guess is the square toed shoes and striped shirt Fairfax County crowd will now just park on Key and walk through the neighborhood like they always have instead of just paying for the garage.

        • T

          As one of the horizontal streets with no parking change…I will get ready for the square-toe parade. Though–for many of these ppl I am guessing their cheapness will play second fiddle to actually having to get their a** out of a car and walk more than 1-2 blocks.

          • South Arlington

            Disagree. They will walk, but they will have their roadies with them that will be deposited in Lyon Village yards like usual. Actually, I don’t imagine the trash, vomit and pee situation will change much.

            The out of county zilches coming to Clarendon Ballroom and Mr. Days have already shown they are unwilling/too poor/too cheap to park in garages, and I think force of habit will keep them parking in the neighborhood on the unzoned streets and walking through the streets they used to park on. Especially now that Winter is ending.

          • V Dizzle

            Vertical streets would be interesting…

      • Regardless of the (in)justice of this move, I wanted to visualize this so I know where to look for parking. I marked up this Google Map in case anyone else wants to take a look:

        http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=212091860106807919890.00049fa88a7083f19bb9f
        (or click my name above)

        Note that the article lists “N. Jackson St. between Washington Blvd and 13th St N” – that must be a typo. I took my best guess at that one.

  • BallstonDude

    N. Garfield St. between Wilson Blvd and Franklin Rd.

    All but 1 or 2 of these houses have a private driveway.

    • Burger

      So. Shouldn’t someone who owns a home have a right to park on the street where they live? And many of the non-locals to the area park in front of driveways.

      i have no dog in this fight because I live in the area the county essentially uses as its kicking dog with respect to transportation – EFC.

      • They should have a “right” to park on the street, and they do, whether there are restrictions or not. But I don’t think people should feel “entitled” to park, necessarily, within 20 yards of their home.

        I live in a 1930s townhouse in north Arlington, and I sometimes have to park two blocks away when I come home after 9pm. The walk isn’t that onerous.

        • R0bespierre

          Depends on the population density, and who is displacing them. Does a townhome owner deserve the right to a better spot than the next townhome owner? Not particularly, that’s a cost of density. But if someone owns a SFH and pays an ass load of property taxes, what is that tax paying for, some magical parking spot 3 miles down the road? They certainly don’t deserve to be edged out by transients. Nor do their guests.

  • KalashniKEV

    Haha… The sign should say, “You are parked in the BOOTY CALL ONLY zone.”

    I thought it was so clever to have girls over to “watch a movie” at 11PM… how am I going to sell that line after 1AM???

    • Tabby

      Inflatable dolls can get licenses now?

    • sockpuppet

      RE: Booty calls. If I were a pimp, I’d redline any neighborhood with late night parking restrictions as those people clearly worry about the wrong things way too much which means they have other issues and probably don’t tip all that well either.

      • KalashniKEV

        It continues to amaze me that so many people on this board are completely clueless when it comes to the modern American lexicon, i.e. “Hipster,” “Booty Call,” etc…

        • South Arlington

          I am 100% with Kev on this one – for Hipster especially. Even after numerous attempts to educate what a true Hipster is, I’m not sure how Hipster keeps getting confused with Gibroni or Turbo, who is the true Clarendon/Clarendon Ballroom/Mr. Days/Clarendon Grill denizen.

          • Hipsters wear goofy ass hats and carry murses

        • Amazing

          It only just now amazes me that you continue to be amazed by that.

        • sockpuppet

          well kalshniKEV when you get older you will realize that you pay for the booty calls because the true booty calls aren’t really what you want to see. After 40 things get bad; after 50 worse… get the idea?
          And quit be amazed that people don’t think exactly like you do. It is ok.

  • SoCo Resident

    A record for ANLNOW comments, which shows this story needs further treatment and analysis. Just the opportunity for ARLNOW to do a special award-winning analysis. Obviously, a “huge” issue pitting peace- and quiet- loving homeowners against visitors and businesses. I don’t believe any of the 300+ comments mentioned the potential that shutting METRO down at 00.00 on the weekends would have on this driving/parking issue. But, if history is to be judged, if they restrict these streets, then they’ll just park deeper into the residential neighborhoods, requiring even more restricted streets. Oh, pitty the poor county staff who work on neighborhood parking permits after this story.

    • R.Griffon

      What is there to analyze? Resident-zoned parking is nothing new or out of the ordinary, and they apparently followed County policy to get it enacted. People obviously have strong feelings about it, but I think it’s more about people wanting to complain that they can’t park free at a popular destination. It’s hardly a scandal.

      But your point about pushing the problem deeper into neighborhoods is well taken. Maybe they should just zone all residential streets within a certain distance from the Metro in the R-B corridor at once and be done with it to save County time and taxpayer money.

  • Why is the FIRST step to ban all non-resident cars from parking at all?

    Why is the FIRST step NOT to impose two-hour restrictions on non-permit cars?

    This is a case of killing a housefly with a cannon, and with the schrapnel hitting all the other people that paid for the cannon.

    • CW

      NOOO…NOT…ANYTHING BUT…REASON! NOW YOU’VE GONE AND DONE IT! RUNNN!!!!!!!

      • Bluemontsince1961

        You said it, CW, time to duck and cover!

    • South Arlington

      +1,000,000

    • R.Griffon

      I’d guess because a 2-hour limit costs at least twice as much to enforce. To do so, you have to record license plates (And parking spot? Does it count if they move their car?) and return 2 hours later to see if they are actually in violation. I’m guessing that most people are compliant, meaning the time and effort to record most is wasted. If it’s not allowed at all, you simply do a single pass and issue a ticket to anyone without a sticker.

      It may suck for out-of-towners, but it certainly is cheaper/easier to enforce.

      • I’m sympathetic to the costs of additional government services.

        But parking enforcement is almost always cash-flow positive.

        If, somehow, against all odds, the enforcement cost more than the income from the citations, I wouldn’t be opposed to increasing the price of the citations marginally to allow 2-hour parking versus a total ban.

    • GrampsLovesLamps

      Terrible idea son, it takes me way longer than 2 hours to get blackedout at Mr. Days this time of year!

  • Bard

    as a new lyon village resident, my new HOA frightens me just a little bit

    • Ann of Tan Gables

      Bard, welcome to Lyon Village, and fear not: there is no HOA. There’s a citizen’s association, but you don’t have to join, and they have no power over you.

      • mehoo

        Yes, thanks for noting the difference.

      • Clarendon

        No direct power but since the County uses the civic associations as often the sole means of getting out announcements on important issues and also weighs an official civic association position much more than an individual or non-official group, they end up having a great deal of power. I’m not saying there is anything wrong in general with this system, BTW. But, depending on who is leading and who/how many are participating in your civic association, it can lead to issues from time to time.

        • mehoo

          I wouldn’t call that a “great deal” of power, especially compared to homeowners associations, which are basically just local governments that can tell you what color to paint your house, etc.

  • R.Griffon

    Re: The number of comments, first I think it’s sad that such a mundane topic would raise such ire. You’d think people living in the Metro DC area had never seen resident-zoned parking before (esp. near a Metro).

    Second, I noticed that replies towards the end of the thread no longer nested properly. Does it break after a certain number of comments? New forum-based system can’t come soon enough.

    • CW

      I noticed that too and I’ve also been (often vocally) wishing for a forum-based system. Although one thing that I’ve often overlooked is in that most forum-based systems it’s tough to keep continuity of sub-threads, which is achieved pretty well with the nesting here. So I wonder if I should have been more careful what I wished for? We’ll have to see.

      • R.Griffon

        Agreed re: nesting, but that’s why most forums include an easy “click to qoute” feature so that you know which post it’s in response to. Not the most efficient, but it works.

        There are also forum systems that allow nesting of replies, but they don’t seem to be as popular.

        I’d also like a board where active discussions float to the top. It’s frustrating that topics are often forgotten in a day simply by not being on the front page.

      • T

        Or– you could just post less frequently given that you are about 80-90% of the posts on any given topic.

        • CW

          It only appears that way because I don’t use sock puppets.

    • T

      Agreed. Especially when we are talking about just a few short streets. Given the amount of changes in the business/development district–the parking changes are incredibly minor and do not effect that many parking spots.

      Welcome to the bash the LV website.

      Here’s a thought—all of these complainers could ban together to get some cheap, mass parking solutions. Oldtown allows visitors to park in many of the govt buildings for free on the weekends. Plus- they would theoretically be closer to the action and less walking. There is still that empty lot directly adjacent to Whole Foods…it’s been there forever.

      • South Arlington

        Yes, that used to be an option until Lyon Village forced the DHS building to move from Clarendon to behind my house. So, thanks for that.

        • Ann of Tan Gables

          I think the poster was talking about the former Peck’s Auto Body lot.

          • South Arlington

            She mentioned how “the complainers” should pursue parking options that are great like the Old Town free parking in Government buildings on weekends. The former DHS building in Clarendon is an apt comparison. It’s also an apt comparison of the history of Lyon Village forcing things they deem undesirable on other areas (see also their [thankfully failed] attempts to fight the low income housing being installed in the Views at Clarendon which, if successful, would have just pushed off the affordable housing and the percevied undesirable consequences on other neighborhoods).

          • Manifesto

            You’re kidding right? Dragging the Views into this? $650k is affordable how? And you say this two posts after your NIMBY comment on DHS? Wow.

          • South Arlington

            Yeah, regardless of the effectiveness of the Views, Lyon Village has a long history of NIMBYism. The moving of the DHS building and the opposition to the Views with a bunch of “think of the children” arguments are great examples.

          • R.Griffon

            I think you’re mistaken. Although the units may COST $650K to build, nobody living there will be paying that. Instead, they’ll be paying subsidized below-market rents. THAT’s the “affordable” part.

  • I will now drive 10mph through these Clarendon streets. With my radio at 11.

    • borf

      Wow, you’re sooooo righteous. You’ll show those losers! You have a right to do whatever you want whenever and wherever you want as loud as you want. You’re 18 after all!

    • R.Griffon

      It might be welcomed as it’d finally force people to slow down. I say go for it.

      As for the radio, I’ll reserve judgment until I know what’s playing. 🙂

      • Rage Against the Machine.

        http://www.ratm.net/lyrics/kil.html

        • R.Griffon

          Throw in some http://www.ratm.net/lyrics/tak.html and you’ve got a deal.

          Carry on.

        • mehoo

          Well of course. You’re a rebel. You care, unlike all those sellouts and yuppies. You’re all about freedom! You should wear a Che T-shirt while you drive around too.

          • snickering. good luck with that one Castro. How about you go bother the really rich folks around here (try farther north in arlington or the nice parts of NW DC), not the middle income worker bees with kids looking for good schools?

  • SoCo Resident

    The U.S. Supreme Court considered this issue in 1977 over Aurora Highland’s first restrictions on communter parking. In Arlington County Board v. Richards 443 U.S. 5 (1977), the court addressed the rights of homeowners to restrict commuter parking. If the Court had only mentioned commuter parking, there might be a problem with the current nighttime regulations. However, it further stated: “A community may also decide that restrictions on the flow of outside traffic into particular residential areas would enhance the quality of life there by reducing noise, traffic hazards, and litter.”

    So, those who have posted arguing that the homeowners have no rights, the Supreme Court addressed this 34 years ago!

    • R.Griffon

      Wow, good find! And thank you for adding some much-needed substance to the discussion.

    • I don’t think the issue is about “rights” as much is it’s about what’s fair.

      It feels to me that, by bypassing less narrowly-tailored restrictions (such as 2-hour limits) in favor of more draconian “ban all the outsiders’ cars entirely for 17 hours a day” model, they’ve effectively turned these public streets into private ones, and the people who live there aren’t paying anywhere near the market-rate rental cost for those spaces ($30/year is nominal) for the reservation.

    • mehoo

      Yes, great find, especially one coming directly from our community!

      Link to the decision: http://supreme.justia.com/us/434/5/case.html

    • cj

      Why interrupt this discussion with facts?

  • Southeast Jerome

    Now all we need is “student” from the principal being fired thread to come back and we have pretty much all the entertainment needed on arlnow.com

    Im not sure why people are so up in arms over this…. it will mainly impact people living outside the county…. or just find someone who lives in zone 6 and pay them for their guest passes.

  • Bluemontsince1961

    Maybe its just me – whenever I go to Clarendon, I find it much easier on my nerves to park at Market Commons (which has very reasonable fees compared to DC), shop, dine, whatever. Traffic in Clarendon is bad enough with out driving all over adjoining neighborhoods trying to find a free parking space. I’ve lived in Arlington all but the first six months of my life. I’ve seen many changes; a lot them I do not like. I may not like the fact that I have to pay for parking, but for me it is better than than worry about parking on some side street at the wrong time and getting my car towed.

    • Aaron

      It’s not just you, but I have a handful of friends who suffer from a severe psychological disorder that prohibits them from paying to park. They would much rather drive around for 45 minutes to end up with a space six blocks from our destination than give a garage operator three bucks for the night.

      • mehoo

        Yeah, those are the same people who drive around trying to get the spot in a parking lot closest to the door when there are plenty of spots that will only take an extra 15 seconds to walk from.

        • R.Griffon

          My absolute favorite is when I see people do this … at a GYM!

      • Bluemontsince1961

        LOL! I have friends that suffer from the same disorder!

  • JamesE

    Arlington needs to appoint a parking czar.

    • Thes

      Arlington HAS a parking czar. Her name is Sarah Stott, and she is Arlington County’s Parking Manager. Here contact information can be found on this press release which also happens to show some of the wide public outreach that went into the last revision of the zoned parking program in 2005.

  • I wondered why we were all of a sudden having a parking problem on Edgewood (between N. Franklin and Key Blvd.)–apparently the new parking restrictions on Fillmore and Franklin have driven people to park on Edgewood, even on nights when we previously had no problems. I guess we’ll be the next to ask for extended restrictions!

    • Franklin

      Yup- same deal on the little section of Franklin near Comcast. We had no problem (except for Fri/Sat) and now we do… great.

      How does the county define a “block?” Is it the whole square or just the houses on the facing street?

      • T

        All houses bordering the street. Even if their address/mailbox is actually on a different strain, e.g., we had a house that’s backyard borders the street and the county included it on the list of signatures we needed to obtain.

  • Brendan

    you know who loves this the most? the parking garages.

  • LyonSteve

    Why do these signs says Mon-Sun when other signs in the county don’t mention the day (which implies every day.)

  • VASQ-Dave

    Good more policies that promote drunk driving! Lets keep promoting policies that line the coffers of the county through tickets and arrests and simultaneously do absolutely nothing to protect the citizens. Pathetic!

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