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by ARLnow.com May 19, 2011 at 8:41 am 1,020 105 Comments

New Massage Business on the Pike — A new massage parlor on Columbia Pike is advertising its services in the ‘Adult Entertainment’ section of Backpage.com. “Friendly and well trained sweet Asian staff are waiting for you!” the ad says. [Pike Wire]

Was the Internet Really Invented in Arlington? — County officials have been touting the role of the Arlington-based Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency in the creation of the internet, but does DARPA — and Arlington — really deserve credit as the birthplace of the internet? In an article entitled “Mythbusting,” We Love DC’s Tom Bridge says that he’s skeptical. [We Love DC]

Couric a No-Show at Pentagon City Book Signing — Arlington native and outgoing CBS Evening News Anchor Katie Couric was a no-show at a scheduled book signing at the Costco in Pentagon City. What forced her to cancel the event? Her Twitter account offers few clues. [Glittarazzi]

Shirlington Dog Park May Ban Kids — Arlington County is reportedly planning on banning all children under 8 and unaccompanied children between the ages of 8 and 14 from the Shirlington dog park. [Examiner]

Courthouse Apartment Building Sets Record — The Palatine apartment complex in Courthouse just sold for $142 million, making it the most expensive per-unit luxury apartment project in the D.C. area, ever. [Washington Business Journal]

(H/t to Janet of Shirlington Village Blog)

  • imissTX

    Sorry to be this guy… it’s “Palatine”, not “Palantine”

    • Okay, thanks.

    • JamesE

      Emperor Palpatine?

  • Rosslynite

    Are you promising a happy ending?

    • Tre

      How do these places legally stay open?

  • NomNom

    I think it is a good idea to consider banning children from the dog park. It gets pretty annoying having every kid around asking if they can pet your dog, and there is the obvious danger of a child getting too close to a zealous animal.

    • dad

      Now can we ban dogs from kid parks?

      • Arlington Native

        +1

      • Skeptical

        +1

      • arlgal

        +1

      • South Arlington

        Hopefully as soon as we require leashes for your small children when they are outside the confines of the newly established “kid parks”. The kid park can be a leash free area though.

        • dad

          Leashes for kids? Um, no. Kids are humans. They come first.

          • Tabby

            As someone who is not a parent and feels that children’s rights outrank those of a canine, I agree completely.

            Thanks to an irresponsible owner of a vicious German Shepherd, I was attacked at the age of 12 (on my property) and have a scar on my calf to show for it.

          • So you have a bias on the issue. Not to judge what you went through, but you used the work irresponsible owner. A Shepherd is a very loyal dog and will protect their owner. They are also very smart and will usually obey the owner. If the owner put the dog in a position to harm you, the owner is at fault unless the dog was crazy from rabies or something. Hopefully the owner of the dog paid a price for the incident. Don’t own a German Shepherd, Pit, or any other large dog if you don’t know how to handle them. And, for God’s sake, don’t let them run free in a dog park. Labradors would seem to be a larger breed with a more suitable disposition. They will play with anything and everyone and don’t have defensive traits in breeding. Dogs used by police and military are strong, powerful, and can do some damage if something goes horribly wrong.

          • Tabby

            The idiot owner was nowhere nearby. I never saw him or met him. He was a temporary workman at the neighbor’s. He let the dog roam and she attacked a small child. I was all of 4 feet tall FFS.

            “Not to judge what you went through, but you used the work irresponsible owner.”

            What?

          • life is life

            the number mean, cruel, vicious kids and people vastly outwiegh the number of vicious dogs. read the news.

          • You’ve got that right!

          • Maria

            You know, life is a lot more fun if you don’t take everything people say so seriously…

          • life is life

            it’s your opinion that humans comes first. but i disagree 100%. a life is a life there is no difference. humans have created the illusion amongst themselves that we are the most important species.

          • I’ve had this debate before with people, and you are going to stand out in a crowd with this position. I don’t necessarily disagree with you. Since we are talking about dogs, I will say this. Dogs can be extremely loyal. A dog such as a German Shepherd or other loyal breed will defend their owner to the death. The obviously aren’t as self-centered as humans are. Just see some of the posts here. It is why I say people are to blame for dog-related problems, not the dogs in many cases. We always think it is about us. It isn’t. We’re just part of what it is all about, and share this world with a lot of other living things. The key word is “share”

        • It’s Not A Leash
          • dad

            Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

          • Maria

            I once saw a mom holding her small child’s “harness,” and the child was holding a small dog’s leash. I won’t lie – it was an adorable-train.

          • dad

            Now that would have made a great photo.

          • Erin

            haha, we had one of those for my little sister when we used to go to Disney Land. My mom was super paranoid after all of those cases back in the late 80’s where kids were being kidnapped from amusement parks, and only recognozed b/c of their shoes or something like that. I loved to tell her to run, and then give her a yank 🙂

      • Arlingtonresident

        +1

        • Arlingtonresident

          Sorry, meant +1 on the banning dogs from the kid parks.

      • PayAttention

        Every public playground in the County has a sign that says “Dogs are not allowed in the Playground”. Maybe take your children to the playground once in awhile…

        • dad

          Thanks, but this is about ALL of the park, not just the playground. Pay attention to what I wrote.

          • PayAttention

            ALL of the park isn’t a KID park. Parks for everyone, including dog owners. Dog Parks are for dogs. Playgrounds are for children.

          • daddy

            My kid is smarter than dad’s dog.

          • dad

            Gee, thanks for pointing out the obvious. You’ve really caught on to the subtleties of this discussion and contributed alot.

          • Jon

            I don’t think anyone is suggesting banning dog owners. As long as they leave their dogs home (or at the kid-free doggie park) while they visit.

          • Maria

            You wrote, “Now can we ban dogs from kid parks?”

            The “kid park” is the playground, and PayAttention was pointing out that dogs already aren’t allowed. What’s the problem?

          • dad

            Oh, jeez.

            I was using parallel construction – dog park bans kids, kid park bans dogs. I meant parks in general, you know, human parks, not just kid parks. PayAttention was reading way too much into it.

            I don’t even want to ban dogs in human parks. I was just making a point. And PayAttention then made the point that dogs are indeed banned in playgrounds, though probably not for the same reason. Good point. Now it’s over.

        • Scott

          Except that the park & playground immediately adjacent to the Shirlington dog park regularly has dogs there doing their business despite the signs saying no dogs

    • JamesE

      In a perfect society everyone under the age of 18 would be banned from public

      • MyHood

        +1

      • V Dizzle

        Yeah, keep them at home after they hatch. Them and their tiny judging eyes…

      • madisonmanor

        Then how in the world are they ever supposed to learn how to drive in Clarendon or Courthouse?

        • dynaroo

          That one’s worth a gratuitous LOL.

      • Novanglus

        Yeah, love dogs and ban kids. Whatever, but don’t complain when you retire and there’s no one paying into social security and medicare.

        Especially if all the 6-kid Christian families get raptured this weekend.

        😉

  • stickler

    Hey, Two Dog Tales, just FYI: wholesale copyright infringement is also banned.

  • It would seem requiring an adult be present below a certain age would be appropriate. Having a dog (or other pet) is a very good learning experience for children. Most kids I’ve ever known who have been active with animals have grown into fine young men and women. To exclude them from a dog park is a shame because it takes away a learning opportunity.

    • dad

      My kids can’t have furry pets due to allergies, so we enjoy dogs in parks instead, including dog parks. I’ve taught them how to deal with dogs safely.

    • BoredHouseWife

      Not everyone watches their kids. Not every child understands what is said. There are a lot of parents who haven’t a clue and there a lot of dog owners who haven’t a clue.

      Learning about the care of dogs is not appropriate in a dog park.

      • dad

        I agree. My kids already know how to handle dogs, I didn’t teach them in the dog park. And I wouldn’t let them in unsupervised either. Just making a point of why kids might go in.

      • Here’s the thing. If you can’t control your kids, don’t let them near a dog. Being a poor parent is not an excuse for blaming the rest of society (other people, animals, or perils in every day life) for your neglect.

        The same is true for a dog owner. If you can’t control your dog (or the dog can be a danger to kids) don’t let the dog near children. Don’t put the dog in a bad situation. And, spend some time to learn how to control your dog if an unexpected rogue child does run up and approach. If you have your dog out on a leash or in a park, know what you are going to do in a bad situation.

        There should be a place where good people, good children, and good dogs can enjoy one another. I guess it isn’t that simple because none of the above are universally good I guess….too bad.

        • BoredHouseWife

          In a perfect world I would agree.
          However, the consequences could be severe for both the dog and child.

  • Skeptical

    Just the thing to boost ridership on Chris Zimmerman’s trolley (parking in that stretch of the Pike is a bear, especially if you’re… distracted).

    A good friend of mine, who’s married and in her sixties, worked as a massage therapist — trained, licensed, specialized — for most of the last decade before arthritis forced her to retire (I’m one of many who misses her talents). I still remember the last time she renewed her license and got the runaround from Arlington because they had just instituted more complete legal record checks and were hassling her over a simple-assault arrest going back to her 20s when she was in a bar fight. She literally had to threaten the county with a lawyer to stop them sitting on her license renewal so she could continue practicing legally.

    I actually don’t care what consenting adults do with their time and money, but it does annoy me to see it blessed by a regulatory system that makes honest people jump through hoops. And I really hope the county keeps a close eye on this joint, not so much to see if sex work is going on, but to be certain that the “sweet Asian staff” are free agents and not subject to some form of modern slavery. It seems like just the situation where you’d see that.

  • ArlForester

    Banning little kids from dog parks makes sense. Not all dogs are accustomed to kids and their grabbing or poking and they could snap. Even my dog who is used to kids will nip at their feet to try and “herd” them as an instinct. That scares some kids too and god knows some nutty parent could accuse my dog of biting their child if they get spooked.

    • dad

      Seriously, this is a perfect argument for banning dogs from other parks where children play. Dogs have their parks, and kids and dogs don’t mix – so that’s the next logical step. Be careful what you wish for.

      • Chris

        Dogs should be banned from kids’ parks. Not only could they potentially bite an over-zealous child trying to pet them, but they tend to poop in unfortunate places too.

      • ArlForester

        Be careful what I wish for? I am pretty sure dogs are not allowed in non-dog parks already. I know they are not allowed at sports fields.

        • dad

          Dogs aren’t banned from non-dog parks – where’d you get that idea? Go to a park and you’ll see people walking dogs everywhere. They have to be on leashes though.

          I don’t actually want to ban dogs, I’m just making the point that if you set up an exclusive place for yourself, you open up the possiblity that someone else will exclude you too.

      • NomNom

        Banning dogs from designated kids’ parks sounds fine to me. After all, do you want you kids playing in dog $h!+?

        • Sam

          Ok – let’s all try this again.

          Dogs are banned from schools and from “kid’s parks” – meaning playgrounds. Everywhere else other than an off-leash dog park, they are leashed.

          Not every poop you see is from a dog in our parks; I don’t have a dog but frequently find poop in my back yard; so it’s not the neighbor’s dogs.

          As much as the County can do dumb things, this one seems like the right thing to do based on the numbers of dogs in the park during the weekends, the number of irresponsible parents who think their child would have fun surrounded by large numbers of roaming dogs, and the fact that it’s not an unruly dog that might be a problem…it might just be that if a parent can’t figure out that large dogs running at full speed and playing together just might hurt a small child; the County is going to be proactive and make sure it doesn’t happen. I’m sure they are not only protecting the interests of the child, but also themselves from a potential lawsuit.

          It’s not all about the kids – and it’s not all about the dogs either. It seems to be the County is looking to protect kids and it’s most likely because someone’s child already got hurt.

          • Al Gore

            How can you argue against dogs not being allow at playgrounds?

  • Arlwhenever

    You can get your head massaged in the shampoo sink at the Hair Cuttery next door to the massage parlor for about $65.00 less.

    • dynaroo

      Also by hot Asian ladies.

      • Bluemontsince1961

        LOL!

  • John Fontain

    Guess that massage parlor won’t be in business for long. I wonder how pikewire stumbled upon the ad on the “leading site for prostitution advertising in the United States.”

    • dynaroo

      It’s possible this place is a sex joint disguised as a massage parlor, but it could also be a massage parlor disguised as a sex joint. The guys pay their money, don’t get their happy ending, and if they complain, what are they going to do, call the cops?

    • Arl bug

      After expending all the money to revitalize the pike, this is the business they approve? Hooka bars and massage parlors are okay for people who live along the pike? Would they have been approved in other areas of Arlington? Sad statement that this is where we are after all of the talking about how the construction would bring positive economic growth. My family will not be going to that haircuttery or any other store near there now.

      • SOARL

        My thoughts exactly. This would never be approved in another area of Arlington

        • South Arlington

          Until the streetcar is built, these are the low rent type of businesses that will continue to move in to the un-redeveloped areas of the Pike.

      • South Arlington

        Luckily that Hair Cuttery is moving to Penrose Square.

        I’m also pretty sure there are several hookah bars lining the Clarendon-Courthouse corridor – I don’t really link hookah bars to downmarket.

        • Tabby

          No! Ugh, HC is so downmarket. Blech.

          • HC

            A good haircut is a good haircut.

          • Tabby

            You get what you pay for–talented hairstylists don’t work at HC. But it’s fine for some people.

      • Aaron

        What’s wrong with a hookah bar? I have two within a short distance of me and they’ve been nothing but nice additions to the community.

        • la rouge

          Nothin’ but hookers and hookahs on the Pike now.

      • Rosslynite

        There is a hooka bar near the Ray’s the Steaks building @ Court House. There is another hooka bar across the street from the Italian Store. There is a massage place above the Java Shack. I could go on.

        • South Arlington

          The massage place above the Java Shack isn’t a rub and tug though.

          • Tabby

            Certainly not. The current owner of it…shudder.

        • doodly

          Gaurapo at Courthouse used to have hookahs. And a few hookers.

  • aren’t dogs already banned from places where kids play? I’ve seen signs around Arlington that say no dogs around slides, swings, etc. Just like at schools – they have signs too.

    Kids are interesting around dogs – they want to pick them up and carry them like babies. My small pups hate it but I’ve taught them to tolerate it because it’s just going to happen no matter how hard I try to avoid it.

    After they’ve been “hugged”, I always give my pups a prize. Little by little, they’ve become accustomed to it and they are no longer scared of children.

    But there’s always the danger of a kid getting too excited or dropping a pup, which can cause some sort of trouble for kids. I make kids sit on the floor to hold my dogs and I once had to stop a little girl from grabbing my dog and lifting her by the neck.

    I think the focus here is on protecting the younger kids more than the dogs.

    Older kids who are unsupervised may just want to play pranks on dogs and that can spell trouble.

    • dynaroo

      They may be banned in playgrounds and fields, but certainly not everywhere in parks.

  • Southeast Ben

    What if a kid has a dog? Will he/she still be banned?

    I was hoping for more comments on the massage parlor…guess it is still early.

    • doodly

      What if I want to bring my kid to get my dog massaged?

      • I know my dog would respond wonderfully to any kid giving him a massage. In fact, he’d respond wonderfully to anyone giving his rear end a good rubbing (including Asian women).

        • Southeast Ben

          Red Rocket Anyone?

          • Maria

            Ew.

        • R0bespierre

          How exactly did you discover this rear end trait?

      • sandy

        LOL!!

        • Tabby

          +1,000!

  • John Fontain

    If “Carole” thought dirty language in a rap song being played at the Drafthouse was bad, I can’t imagine what she’s going to think when she finds out about the “massage” parlor opening up in her hood.

    http://www.arlnow.com/2011/01/17/pike-listserv-erupts-over-rap-music-at-cinema-drafthouse/

    • Arlwhenever

      Carole didn’t get really upset until the Drafthouse manager failed to comp her on her bar tab. Maybe a free massage would calm her down — some girl on girl action.

  • NauckNeighbor

    I think the ban on small children just comes down to common sense. A dog park where dogs are allowed to run free is not a safe place for small children. If you have been to the Shirlington Dog Park the dogs tend to love to group up in packs and run around like crazy. This is great for the owners because the dogs are entertained and getting out their energy. I have almost been taken out several times by the dogs, but that just comes with going to the park and most owners are understanding.

    I have young nieces which I would love to bring to the park to see all of the dogs but unless they were on my shoulders the whole time than I wouldn’t feel safe. This has nothing to do with not wanting children around, just wanting to make sure everyone stays safe and enjoys the dog park.

    • John Fontain

      I just don’t understand why the decision can’t or shouldn’t be left to the parents.

      There are some adult women who are no larger than some 8 year old kids. Should these women be banned too because they might get knocked down by a dog? Maybe they should have one of those “you must be taller than this–>” signs at the entrances to the park just like they have for roller coasters. Heck, might as well ban pregnant ladies too, cause you never know what could happen. Now that I think about it, only men should be allowed to enter the park with those savage, non-domesticated beasts. And only men who can pass a grueling endurance and self-defense course. Then we’ll able to be absolutely sure there isn’t an itty bitty chance or anyone possibly getting hurt.

      Sorry for the rant, but this potential ban is ridiculous. If a human could be harmed by a dangerous or out of control dog, then it is that dangerous dog that should be banned, not the humans.

      • NauckNeighbor

        I think you missed the point. They’re not dangerous dogs, they’re dogs playing. It is a DOG PARK

        • John Fontain

          No, I didn’t miss the point. As a dog owner, a parent, and a frequent attendee of the park, I can say with certainty that not all dogs “playing” there are threats to children. In fact, the vast majority are no threat whatsoever. Therefore, the problem (if there really is one) can only be attributed to dangerous or out of control dogs. These same dogs could be a threat to other dogs at the park (not just little kids).

          Following the logic (if we can call it that) that potential victims of dangerous or out of control dogs should be banned from the park, then we would ban children, most adults, and the non-dangerous/non-out of control dogs from the park because they all could potentially be in danger. The consequence would be a dog park which could only be attended by dangerous dogs.

          Of course, this makes no sense at all, right? Just like banning potential victims – rather than the dangerous dogs – makes no sense.

          • Maria

            I also am not always a fan of this type of regulation, preemptive or reactive, but I’m not sure your point here is valid. The difference between a child-sized adult and an actual child is that (theoretically, though god knows it’s not always the case) the adult should have more knowledge of/common sense about how to interact with dogs. Have you ever watched small children with dogs? Many seem to think dogs are stuffed animals and treat them accordingly. That can end very badly.

            Yes, there are many parents like you who teach their children how to interact with dogs (I’m assuming), but that’s not always the case, and goodness knows at a county-run dog park, the risk of being sued is serious.

          • John Fontain

            I’m guessing that most kids who go to this dog park are doing so because they are there with their family’s dog. Thus, they aren’t the kids who don’t have a working knowledge of dogs and dog behavior.

            i just don’t get the logic of banning potential victims rather than perpetrators. imagine if we followed that logic elsewhere in Arlington. Women would be prohited from living on the first floors of apartment buildings because men might peep on them. People wouldn’t be allowed to walk on columbia pike, the 200 block of N. Glebe, or Four Mile run because a perp might rob or attack them. Etc., etc. This is a very illogical way to go about things.

          • Maria

            Yeah, I’m with you. But how do you figure out which dogs are a “danger” without something bad happening first? I guess it’s easier to ban the kids than to wait until you know that you need to ban a particular dog. Banning potential victims OR potential perpetrators is problematic no matter how you look at it.

        • dad

          So if it’s a dog park, are ALL humans banned?

          Are all dogs banned, even on a leash, in a HUMAN park?

          Just food for thought.

          • Tre

            +1

    • Sounds like you are proposing a ban on stupid parents.

      • Skeptical

        If only.

  • R0bespierre

    Hey so if kids are now banned from dog parks, can we turn all restaurants into dog parks? Dogs are quieter anyway.

    • V Dizzle

      I’m confused, would we be eating dogs or eating children? Not saying I’m opposed to either, but just making sure I understand.

  • KalashniKEV

    The Pike will always be a slum, no matter what you do to it. I’m OK with that though- not every neighborhood in NoVA can be the like corridor. If they start trafficking Asian hookers it’ll only be one small improvement.

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