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Mad Rose Tavern Opening Tomorrow in Clarendon

by ARLnow.com | February 15, 2011 at 1:06 pm | 3,554 views | 223 Comments

Update at 3:10 p.m. at 2/16/11 — Despite management giving ARLnow.com every assurance that the restaurant would open on Wednesday, TBD is reporting that Mad Rose Tavern has delayed its opening until Thursday.

Mad Rose Tavern (3100 Clarendon Blvd) has acquired all the necessary county permits and will open to the public Wednesday afternoon, management said Tuesday.

The restaurant, shown here still under construction, will open its doors at 4:00 tomorrow afternoon after some last-minute cleaning. For the rest of the the week, Mad Rose will be open for evenings only. Starting on Monday, it will also be open for lunch.

General Manager Seamus Phillips described Mad Rose as “warm and inviting, modern meets old world, affordable yet high quality.” The restaurant has been eight months in the making and is rumored to have cost owners upwards of $1 million so far. It will include a menu full of hearty dishes and an extensive beer, scotch and wine selection.

If you see people inside tonight, don’t get too excited — it’s a private event. And if you stop by this weekend, be prepared for a wait.

“I have a feeling with it being Clarendon it’s going to be a pretty busy weekend for us,” Phillips said.

The Tavern’s occupancy permit allows just over 120 people inside. In the next few weeks, it will roll out patio seating for another 50 customers. A grand opening celebration is being planned for some point in March.

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  • steve

    Yay, another sissy place for the snobs of Arlington.

    • AllenB

      So we’ll see you there Saturday night?

      • steve

        No you won’t. I will not spend a penny at a place that doesn’t have a smoking section. For you whiners out there, it’s a separate room that you don’t enter. You won’t smell the smoke. But since you don’t approve of it being allowed, you of course will whine and complain and say that even that should be banned. Now imagine if EVERYONE tried to ban everything they don’t approve of.

        But for you guys, enjoy your sissy bar. May it be just as snobby as Lyon Hall.

        • AllenB

          In my experience (and probably many others too), I’ve found that people who toss around phrases like “sissy this” or “sissy that” usually are overcompensating to cover up something. So how ’bout it, just be truthful…. you’ve been wanting to “smoke the cigar” for a long, long time now, right Steve?

          • steve

            Sissy is NOT equal to homosexual.

            Notice for as tolerant and “progressive” as you liberals like to claim, the first accusation against anyone is that they are a homosexual?

            Like you are implying that homosexuals are bad? Or that homosexuality is bad?

            How are you you a tolerant progressive if you think that homosexuality is an insult?

            Are you a bigot?

          • mehoo

            Everyone who disagrees with steve about anything is a liberal, you see.

          • AllenB

            I’m not saying that homosexuals are bad – I am one. And if I hated myself that would make life much less fun. But I’m definitely noticing a pattern in your comments… hmmm…..

          • borf

            :lol:

            Oops, that backfired on ya, steve.

          • steve

            Excuse me? Do you think all homosexuals are “sissies”? To me a sissy is a person who is a wimp, allergic to everything, and is easily offended, on behalf of others. That’s NOT homosexual. That you think that sissy means homosexual reflects on you and YOUR beliefs.

            A sissy is a wuss is a wimp.

          • Bluemont John

            Oh, SNAP!

          • Glebe Roader

            Hey AllenB — Awesome. Thank you.

        • mehoo

          I’d say you’re the whiner.

          You can’t light a small campfire and fill the place with smoke either, Steve. Smoke is bad for people.

          • steve

            So is alcohol and dirnking and driving, and nobody has ever died from second hand smoke, and many many people die from alcohol, and drunk driving.

            Again, you ignored my point. How does people smoking in a separate room tha tyou will not enter impact you in any way?

          • mehoo

            You lost this debate already, Steve. Go have a smoke.

          • Westover

            Hate to agree with mehoo, but steve is wrong about second hand smoke.

          • steve

            All the studies on it are frauds.

            2. What is wrong with people smoking in another room? Are you so childish you have teo go into that room becaues its there? You cannot choose to ignore it?

            If you think smoke is bad, do you have any idea of what else is in the air you breathe inside of buildings?

            If bars are now to become healthclubs because no smoking is going on there, why serve alcohol or unhealthy foods if its a health spa now?

            Any more than 2 drinks is bad for you and puts drivers and pedestrians at risk. being outdoors an dintoxicated is illegal should you walk home and not drive.

            The unhealthy foods served in bars makes people fat, is bad for their artieries and hearts, and is driving up the cost of healthcare as well, more so than tobacco does now.

            If you get rid of smoking, why limit it to just that? Why not ban other things?

          • Overgrown Bush

            I hate to agree too, but smoking inside trumps auto pollution from I395. Sorry, Steve.

          • mehoo

            Steve, you lost THIS debate too.

            As for smoking in another room, I have no problem with that. You can have your smoking backroom with a separate ventilation system all you want.

            I’ve explained multiple times why smoking is different from other things. But as we’ve seen, you don’t exactly give in to reason.

          • R

            I hate to agree with some of the other posters in here as well, but second hand smoke never killed anyone?? Come on! My grandfather never smoked a day in his life, but lived for 60 years in a small apartment with my grandmother who smoked at least a pack a day inside the apartment and he died of lung cancer. Must have just been a coincidence. Not saying that is the same as occasionally being exposed to second hand smoke and if restaurants follow the law regarding a seperate room or if it is in someone’s own residence, then so be it, I can’t control that and can choose not to go to those places.

          • mehoo

            Second hand smoke kills thousands of people each year.

          • steve

            Second hand smoke have NEVEr been proven to kill a single person.

            People who have never been around smoke or smokers can get and die from lung cancer, they can get and die from heart disease. They cannot possibly prove that someone dies from second hand smoke, yet people lie and say they can and do.

          • steve

            I have had relatives who have never smoked, nor have been around smokers, die of lunch cancer. People get lunch cancer. It’s not like it suddenly sprung out of nowhere with the discovery of tobacco. There are multiple causes of it, some even just genetic predisposition.

          • Me

            Oh no, now I can’t eat lunch either or I will get cancer?

          • steve

            So why aren’t you banning virtually every processed food, especially ones with nitrites, because they know it causes stomach cancer. Say bye bye to cold cuts, bacon, etc. I mean, doesn’t government know what’s best for you? Isn’t stomach cancer bad? BAN BAN BAN! I know what’s best for you, everything I don’t approve of should be banned! I’m so tolerant!

          • borf

            Steve, consume all the nitrites, smoke, and whatever other harmful poisonous cancer-causing stuff you want.

            Please.

          • Carm

            People have died from second hand smoke.

        • Ballstonian

          Plenty of smoke billows into the non-smoking room at Bailey’s. And if not wanted to die from second-hand smoke is snobby, then count me in.

          • steve

            liar.

          • Ballstonian

            You probably can’t smell it because your olfactory nerves are dead.

          • Steve

            You are lying.

        • R.Griffon

          I used to think that smoking bans only provided us with clean fresh air to enjoy in public spaces. But today I learned that it also keeps out riffraff and malcontents. Two birds with one stone.

          Enjoy your disgusting addiction. And the cancer.

          • steve

            Yes, because that alcohol you consume is so healthy, and of course you won’t be having any fried foods or red meats, given that obesity is now the #1 preventable killer in American and the greatest financial burden on the healthcare system, and not smoking.

            Nothing worse than a person relaxing after work, having a smoke with their drink. How unthinkable. That should be banned!

          • JamesE

            I eat steaks and drive a v8, I am so liberal it hurts.

          • mehoo

            You already lost this debate too steve.

            You can eat meat and drink beer (PBR?) all you want. You can smoke all you want too. Just don’t pollute the air I breathe and force me to ingest it.

            Got it?

          • steve

            how is smoking in a separate room polluting your air?

          • mehoo

            Exactly! You get it!

            Stay in your separate room, and smoke all you want there. Not in my air.

          • steve

            My point, meehoo, is that this sissy new bar, doesn’t have the separate room for me to smoke in. Hence I will not be patronizing them.

            Though it would be HILARIOUS for Conservatives to come out and vote and take back the State legislature and repeal the smoking ban and see the liberals cry and whine, though personally I like having a separate area for smokers, to keep away from the whiners. Problem with the sissies in arlington, is that they aren’t creating the separate areas.

          • mehoo

            No separate room at Mad Rose. Correct. So we get to breathe, and you get to be somewhere else? Sounds like a win-win.

          • Carm

            No, #1 would still be smoking tobacco (in other words cigarettes) You are getting a lot wrong today. Not helping your case.

          • steve

            There we go again, from our tolerant progressive liberals. If someone doesn’t share their views, then they are gay, and gay = bad when a liberal make sthe accusation.

            So much for being tolerant when the FIRST insult you hurt is that someone is homosexual.

          • AllenB

            I’m not sure if I’m the only homosexual posting here today (personally, I prefer “gay man” to “homosexual”… sounds less clinical), but the only thing I find insulting about what Smokie posted is his thinking that we’d want someone with your attitudes in our “family”. No thanks.

          • borf

            So, steve, this is the part where we note that lots of right-wing politicians hate gays, etc. right, thereby making you guilty by association. Isn’t that the standard operating procedure?

          • AllenB

            Sorry, Steve. Gay=homosexual. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gay

            Even the dictionary says so. Maybe you’re grandmother was a lesbian? Did she have a special roommate for her whole life?

          • steve

            well I guess Gay paris has a different meaning than people think it does!

            So a dictionary recognizies the hijacking of a word.

          • mehoo

            Uh, wait a minute – you were insisting that “gay” doesn’t mean “homosoexual?” Really?

            I guess it shouldn’t surprise me, considering the source.

          • AllenB

            Ugh… my last post was related to comment that was deleted… something about Steve’s gay grandmother. Damn.

          • steve

            You are disgusting. I’m talking about smoking in a bar, the ability to, in a SEPARATE room, and you are trying to insult my dead grandmother?

          • mehoo

            No, steve, I wasn’t talking about your grandmother at all. I don’t know where your grandmother came up.

          • AllenB

            If you view my joking that your grandmother might have been a lesbian as an insult to her, then you ARE saying that gay is bad, contrary to your protests above.

            Debating with Steve = shooting fish in a barrel.

          • mehoo

            Oops another one backfires on Steve.

            Don’t mess with the gays, Steve, they’ve heard it all before and they’re ready for anything.

          • AllenB

            We have and we are. Thank you. :-)

          • mehoo

            Hey, stop looking at me like that, AllenB. We’re just friends.

          • AllenB

            Sorry, Mehoo… but I was actually looking past you and focusing on Steve… I can’t resist a man who smells like whiskey and cigars and has scabs on his knuckles from dragging them along the sidewalk. Yum.

          • CadeTyler

            Those are freedom scabs!

          • Kate

            ew, not Freedom Scabs!

          • mehoo

            AllenB, you don’t have to rub it in. At least pretend to glance at me for a minute, then look away.

        • Lalaland

          Good news, Steve! Turns out the place will have outdoor seating, meaning that it may allow smoking outside. That way you can hang out with all the friends you’ve made on this board, Steve!

          • steve

            Why would I pay exorbidant prices to smoke outside? That place will never see a penny of my money. I might go there if someone else is paying, but I will not ever spend a cent of mine there.

          • mehoo

            You might go there is someone else is paying? What are you, a liberal?

          • steve

            If someone owes me a drink and they suggest going to the place, I will not refuse, but I’m not spending my own money in a place that doesn’t allow smoking.

            Why should I pay premium prices to be treated like a leper?

            If they want MY business, they’ll accomodate me. if they don’t, they don’t see a penny of my money.

          • Kate

            *zing*

          • mehoo

            Gosh, really? You’ll only go to places that accomodate your needs? Tell us more.

  • steve

    Nothing sissier than a place that serves scotch, beer, etc and you cannot smoke a cigar in. It’s like the place is trying to be lame.

    • borf

      What are you whining about, steve, you’ve got a car to smoke in and entertain the ladies.

      • steve

        Enjoy your overpriced drinks,and your snobby companions. Thank god there will be no smoking, as that harms so many people unlike the vast amount of people who will be drinking and driving and leaving that place!

        • JamesE

          He actually drives a Dodge Stratus.

        • Matt

          Jesus H Freaking Christ on a crutch Steve, I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone so passionately upset about the OPENING OF A BAR. Do you bitch this much about everything that opens and doesn’t have a smoking section?

          Your anger is hilariously disproportionate the situation at hand.

          • Rose

            I was thinking it, you very eloquently typed it. Thanks! :)

        • R.Griffon

          If only there were some other way to get there. If only it were located nearby some residential areas, or even better yet: some sort of public transportation. I’d even be willing to pay a few bucks if only I could get there without having to worry about drinking and driving. Or even parking.

          If only…

          • steve

            Are you going to dare suggest that everyone will not be driving to this place? I know people who refuse to walk even 200 feet would and drive that short of a distance. Are you going to tell me that NOBODY, not ONE person will drink and drive from this place? Bceause if EVEN one person DOES drink and drive from this palce, that’s a LOT more harmful than people smoking in a sealed off room that you don’t enter.

          • Westover

            You do not help your cause.

          • G

            Steve, just because it’s a separate room, doesn’t mean that others will not be exposed. Smoke from my upstairs neighbor in my condo gets into my unit all the time. It’s not like when he drinks a beer up there, beer just starts flowing into my condo forcing it’s way down my throat. Maybe I should just start burning my trash in my condo. If someone can burn a cigarette, which is known to emit known carcinogens, I’m curious to see how he would feel about me burning my trash. You should also take note, that side-stream smoke (smoke that smolders off of a cigarette) contains much higher levels of carcinogens that the smoker inhales through the filter. Guess who is exposed to the side-stream smoke? Also, with only 25% of the population remaining that has still managed to stay alive and is dumb enough (or in denial like yourself) to continue smoking, knowing the consequences, how would any restaurant benefit from allowing them to smoke? Even outside? I know when I first moved to Arlington a few years ago and stepped into Baileys, I immediately left and never came back due to the smell of smoke. Personally, I wish smoking was banned everywhere.

          • SamsontheCat

            A sealed off room you say? Ok. I’m cool with that. Sealed off right? Like no way for the smoke to make it into the rest of the place through, say, ventilation ducts? So a room that just keeps filling with smoke with no way for it to vent out. Odd, but ok, if you want that.

            You’d have to have a seperate entrance only accessable from the street so the smoke doesn’t come in from there when you open the door. And if someone wanted to come into the non-smoking area after being in the smoke room they’d have to be scrubbed and change clothes so the carcinogens don’t track back in on their person. So yeah, if all that was done I’d be cool with it.

          • steve

            oh great, as if the second hand smoke fraud wasn’t bad enough, you are one of those THIRD HAND smoke scammers. Wow.

          • mehoo

            Wouldn’t third hand smoke be smoke that you breathed, and then breathed out and I was forced to breathe, and then I breathed out and someone else breathed?

      • R.Griffon

        ‘Cause everybody knows chicks TOTALLY dig guys who smell like ashtrays.

        • steve

          yes, and smelling like tequila or rum is just so wonderful smelling too, and I’m sure your onion ring breath is just wonderfully romantic.

          • borf

            Ah, because some other people stink, it’s okay for you to stink huh? Great logic steve. You must be popular with the ladies.

            Seriously, steve, you’re probably like most smokers – your sense of smell has been ruined, and you can’t tell just how completely awful you smell.

    • Lalaland

      It’s like the place is trying to make money and obey the law or something weird like that.

      • steve

        They could have a smoking room and obey the law and still make money.

        Sounds like someone is seriously misinformed on the law.

        • Lalaland

          I’m very familiar with the law, but like the post says it has capacity for 150 people. There’s hardly room for a brand new room. They’d lose money on that wasted capacity since most people won’t want to be in there anyway. All the other Clarendon bars seem to be doing pretty well without a separate smoking room.

          Besides, like I said earlier, they’ll have outdoor seating.

          • steve

            Only only whiny self righteous smoking ban people start whining about the smell of smoke outdoors. Do you honestly think that they follow those seating capacity things? On the weekend these places, like clarendon, are jam packed with people, because they are all meat markets. And yes, if you have a smoking area, like a smoking bar with a glass wall, that means you can’t have as many elbow to elbow people jam packed in. So meat market bars care about that, actually enjoyable places where people go to have fun, rather than show off, do not.

          • Lalaland

            As that wasn’t remotely related to the English language, I’m not sure what you said and can’t refute it.

          • mehoo

            Plus it’s “meet market” not “meat market.”

          • notahoo

            I am really upset here. Someone agreed that it is supposed to be “Meat Market” not “Meet Market” and its the Steve DB.

            Hey Steve – I didn’t really care about the health thing, I supported the non smoking law becuase smoking is gross and makes other people (me) smell like an ashtray. The whole health thing was just scare tatics.

            IN YOUR FACE STEVE!

          • steve

            So ban indian food, and homeless people.

          • notahoo

            Steve – Don’t temp me, after getting rid of smoking I’m on a role. I thinking about targeting idiots on websites. I’ll use the old Jacobellis v. Ohio standard. That should be pretty easy with you!

          • mehoo

            Sure, steve, you’re not the one throwing a tantrum here.

  • LP

    Can someone block “steve” and his IP address. He’s wasting my time and everyone else’s.

    Thanks.

  • Tre

    Sounds like another cool restaurant in the Clarendon area…. still bummed that we lost American Flatbread.

    p.s. the anti-arlington troll is quite amusing; he clearly devotes his time to his passions.

  • steve

    Also, will this place be judged according to its clientelle?

    You can always tell the maturity level of a place based upon whether it has bouncers. You know, the snobbies of the snobs go to the Ballroom or Clarendon Grill, yet have bouncers. What does it say abou tyour clientelle if you need to have bouncers?

    Will this place have bouncers?

    • Lalaland

      You have clearly never been to Hunan Number 1, Steve. Bouncers? Yes. Clarendon Ballroom it is not, though.

    • mehoo

      So you never ever ever go to a place with bouncers, huh Steve?

      • JamesE

        He is also severely blurring the line between someone that checks your id and a bouncer.

  • steve

    Yes and all those drink drivers are such wonderful people so long as there’s no smoking going on!

    • Lalaland

      no, they take Metro which you want to take away from them.

      • JamesE

        Why take the metro, you can’t smoke on it.

        • steve

          Because some people only smoke when they drink alcohol and you cannot drink anything, let alone alcohol on the metro.

  • kroc

    Hahaha. I enjoyed reading all of this. Thank you! :)

  • Lalaland

    Nah, middle eastern culture is too connected with Hookah. Like Steve, Hamas would likely target it.

    • Lalaland

      damn, this was meant for a comment that was deleted

      • http://www.arlnow.com ARLnow.com

        Let’s calm things down, people.

        • GMo

          What’s going on today, Scott? Full moon or something? Ha!

          • mehoo

            Actually, the moon peaks tomorrow!

          • Kate

            Wrong, mehoo! It’s Feb 18th! And it’ll be in Leo! So there!

          • mehoo

            Excuse me, Professor Cosmos!

  • steve

    how do the other places manage to keep under 21 year olds out without having bouncers?

    Again, what does it reflect about the clientelle if a place has bouncers?

    Nothing is funnier than seeing th epathetic losers with the bouncers and the “velvet rope” at Union Jack Pub in a freaking mall!

  • GMo

    Troll(s) are at the trough today!

    • R.Griffon

      The more this goes on the more that I’m absolutely convinced that we’re being trolled. Need convincing? Try this:

      http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/scumbag-steve

      I even made my own for this very thread. :)

      Well played “steve,” well played.

      • steve

        So mature people..

      • GMo

        Nice! I was unaware of this particular meme and I pride myself on keeping up with them. Thanks for this!

        Meme or not…if your troll-dar isn’t going haywire then you need to learn up on the internets.

      • steve

        So bigotry against chavs is okay?

        • http://blacknell.net/dynamic MB

          You’re messing with your backstory, Steve. “Drink drivers” was strike one. “Chavs” is strike two.

          Slippin’ . . .

          • GMo

            Glad I wasn’t the only one who picked up on this!

        • GMo

          Wait? Isn’t “chavs” itself bigotry? I was under the impression that “chavs” is an insult.

          This furthers my theory that “Steve” is a foreigner, and a red coat at that. Chavs, drink drivers?

          • JamesE

            He must of gotten kicked out

          • GMo

            They’re too liberal for him over there, so he moved to Arlington.

          • steve

            I listen to the BBC as my only news source though they wouldn’t use the term Chav on there.. Oh no, foreigners are horrible!

          • steve

            Chav is a helluva lot more PC than the American equivalent. hence why I used chav.

          • mehoo

            PC? What are you, a liberal?

        • R.Griffon

          Yes, I’m totally bigoted against white middle-class kids with the fashion sense of a two year old.

          Down with whitey!

  • mehoo

    Steve, thanks for the entertainment.

  • GMo

    You know, I drink alone. I prefer to be by myself.

    • FrenchyB

      What, not even with your dear Old Grand-Dad?

      • R.Griffon

        Or your pal Johnny Walker?

  • steve

    And don’t forget, you guys behind these smoking bans are the FIRST people to whine about having to smell smoke on the sidewalks because that is where you have condemned smokers to in situations like this where the restaurant doesn’t have a smoking room, or like in other states where smoking is completely banned indoors.

    • G

      Honestly, I think the only place a smoker should be allowed to smoke is inside their own detached, single-family home.

      • steve

        So logically you are for the banning of automobiles since they pollute the outside air far more than any cigarette smoke could ever dream of doing, right?

        Or are you being a hypocrite?

        Should Indian food be banned everywhere because it smells, especially in condos/apartments?

        • mehoo

          Yes, car exhaust fumes are another thing that should not be allowed in restaurants, Steve.

          • Glebe Roader

            Awesome!

          • steve

            Since the suggestion was that smoking be banned everywhere other than inside a detached home, that means that smoking would be banned outdoors as well. What pollutes the air more? Cigarettes or car exhaust?

          • mehoo

            I didn’t suggest that. I hope you smoke heavily at home, and consume lots of read meat and alcohol and drugs and carcinogens and Clorox bleach….

        • G

          Steve, you’ve made a good point about the automobile exhaust. I run to work every day and am forced to inhale a lot of exhaust. Sometimes I have to cover my face or hold my breath for large stretches of my run. And about once a week I spend the rest of the day with a throbbing headache from the exhaust from all the idling cars and buses stuck in traffic. Of course, an automobile serves a drastically different purpose than a cigarette, and it would be a little more complicated to ban these in public, with widespread economic consequences (at least in the short term). My point is, that people do not NEED to smoke in public, but overall, some people do need to drive.

          • mehoo

            Yes, people need to drive, yet we can reduce exhaust as much as possible, so we also have laws regulating emissions and fuel. Imagine that!

          • steve

            Nobody needs to drive. You living so far from where you work is a choice.

            Also as a person who has been ran over by car while crossing the street, the exhaust isn’t the only issue that cars post, yet smoking is what got banned.

            And wouldn’t people be a lot healthier if they walked instead of drove?

            I mean, for as much as I rain on Arlington’s car free diet, I walk absolutely everywhere. I have put on 3000 miles on my car in the past 3 years. I only drive to leave town or go to Wegmans in Fairfax, otherwise I walk.

            I used to live in London, and the air is so dirty there, that if you wipe a tissue to your nose, there will be black soot on it. Disgusting.

            You can avoid going to bars. You cannot avoid going outside. Do you understand the difference?

          • mehoo

            Nobody needs to drive? So very liberal of you.

            For the record, steve, I don’t drive to work. I minimize my pollution of the air the best I can. I do drive to the grocery store, etc., but in a vehicle that doesn’t put out a whole lot of emissions.

            You find a way for nobody to ever have to drive anywhere, at any time, let me know. You go right ahead and smoke too, just not in a restaurant.

        • G

          I like the smell of Indian food, and an ingredient in curry is known to actually target and kill malignant cells. So it’s not quite the same as cigarette smoke.

          • mehoo

            Look, steve’s giving health advice about what substances are good to ingest!

  • steve

    AllenB, what gives you the right to think you can mention anything about my grandmother, let alone her sexuality, in a discussion about a new bar, and specifically, the issue of a smoking section?

    You know you were doing that to insult. Don’t even bother denying, and if not, it’s completely off topic.

    Notice nobody else in here has brought up people’s dead ancestors, only you did, and happens to be in the sexuality context too?

    • AllenB

      Yikes, these things are horribly out of order, but check the comments Steve, you brought your grandmother into this, not me. I just followed up on it.

      But just curious… did she drive a Subaru?

      • steve

        When did I do that? I was responding to YOUr comment about my grandmother. Why on earth would I bring up my grandmother who has been dead for 17 years in a a topic about a bar opening up in clarendon?

        • AllenB

          Poor dear… memory going too… it was in one of your comments that got deleted. Maybe you need to smoke another cigar to remember.

          And just to be clear, I don’t view asking if someone is a lesbian as an insult. Just like if someone asks if I’m straight, I’m not insulted by that (though I do hope my choice of superior footwear and accessories would take away all confusion).

          • mehoo

            “Research published in the American Journal of Public Health shows that smokers over the age of 40 have a much faster rate of memory loss than non-smokers.”

            http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art18171.asp

          • V Dizzle

            C’mon guys, let’s get off of Steve’s grandma…

      • Kate

        *Magic Happens*

  • http://blacknell.net/dynamic MB

    You know, one of you is going to be the one responsible for the line that makes Steve have an aneurysm and slump over at his keyboard. Do you really want that tragedy on your hands? Poor Steve departing this earth in a fit of anger before he’s even old enough to drink?

    • Glebe Roader

      Hopefully Steve has his webcam on record it.

      • AllenB

        Something tells me that by the way Steve probably uses his webcam, I don’t want to see any of that video.

    • mehoo

      “Researchers have found a significant association between cigarette smoking and increased size of an unruptured lesion and subsequent aneurysm rupture, according to a study published in the September issue of the Journal of Neurosurgery…”

      http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/412223

  • Newt

    Thanks for all the entertainment Steve……You are a whiner, I mean winner in my book!

  • PB

    Steve,

    If you don’t like Clarendon, its establishments, rules against smoking indoors, or its people, why don’t you just live and/or entertain yourself somewhere else? Not having smoking in a bar doesn’t make it sissy, it makes it more comfortable for the vast majority of the patrons.

    • steve

      Why should I have to leave my home because of all the pretentious transients who think where they are from isn’t good enough for them?

      You do realize that some people are actually from here? I am SO sick and tired of the GOD DAMN transients ruining everything, they are all personality disorder cases.

      • mehoo

        Look – Steve said “personality disorder!” :lol:

        • steve

          Yes, you transients fit the descrip perfectly. Look up Histrionic and narcissistic personality disorders. Describes you transients to a tee.

  • Kathy on Columbia Pike

    Secondhand smoke does cause deaths. See http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healtheffects.html

    Maybe it is not worth the costs for the restaurant to provide a separate room for smokers? It may just be a cost vs benefits business decision.

    Also, I know that when you put all the smokers together in one room, sometimes the resulting secondhand unfiltered smoke even gets to them. You have to have a LOT of ventilation when everyone in the same space is smoking.

    • Glebe Roader

      Kathy, don’t get sucked into trying to be logical with Steve.

    • mehoo

      That’s a bunch of liberal junk science, Kathy. Just ask steve.

      • steve

        From the Same EPA that is trying to regulate greenhouse gasses despite lackin ghte congressional authority to do so?

        You don’t think the EPA is influenced by politics?

        You think that certain industries don’t have interests?

        Wonder why so many are opposed to ecigarettes? Because the tobacco companies want to push smokeless tobacco, the pharma companies want to push their quit smoking drugs, etc…

        • mehoo

          Booyah! What’d I tell you, Kathy?

          • mehoo

            The U.S. Surgeon General and Centers for Disease Control are also a bunch of liberals, by the way.

          • steve

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/29/AR2007012901158.html

            The bogus science behind second hand smoke.

            The same libs behind the second hand smoke nonsense are the same liberal liars who say that climate change is 100% man made, and thus as a consequence, humans can STOP climate change.

          • rcw

            And I am sure a paid consultant of the Tobacco industry and antiregulatory CATO scholar wouldn’t be biased by the same collusive monetary interests you claim liberals have?

            “In May 1993, Gori entered an exclusive consulting arrangement with B&W Tobacco, receiving $200/hour a day to $1,000/day for attending conferences.[12] In the 118-page book Passive Smoke: The EPA’s Betrayal of Science and Policy, Gio Gori and his co-author and fellow industry consultant, John Luik, claim the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) used “junk science” to distort the health effects of secondhand smoke. The book was funded by B&W, which funneled the money through a third party, the Fraser Institute.”

          • mehoo

            You already lost this debate, Steve. You’re just, well, chain-smoking now.

  • Lalaland
    • GMo

      That is one of my favs of his, such fantasic comics…appropriate for linking in so many comment boards/forums.

  • Z

  • Newt

    Thanks for all the laughs Steve! You’re a whiner….i mean winner in my book!

    • steve

      Enjoy your overpriced drinks and I laugh at you when you get your DWI.

      • mehoo

        Mad Rose is right next to a Metro station. No DWI.

        I’ll wave to you from inside Mad Rose. I’m going to check it out soon. If you hate it, it’s probably cool.

        • Steve

          Well you better live within walking distance of a metro stop and better be prepared to leave before midnight on the weekends because Metro will start closing at midnight soon on Fri/Sat.

          • mehoo

            Um, okay. Or I’ll take a cab, or a designated driver will drive me.

            You still can’t smoke there.

  • rcw

    Steve it would take 30 Glenn Beck chalkboards to diagram the scatological ramblings of your internet posts.

  • mehoo

    “Smoking Is Dumb: Young Men Who Smoke Have Lower IQs, Study Finds”

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100401151746.htm

    • mehoo

      Steve, how many times do I have to tell you? I don’t want to ban smoking. I encourage you to smoke. Just don’t blow it into my lungs.

      Have anal sex if you want to as well, I don’t care. Do it in your Subaru even.

      Why do I have to keep explaining this stuff to you? Oh, yeah, the IQ thing.

      • steve

        Why do I have to breath your car exhaust? What do you think causes people more harm, breathing the air on the street, or breathing in at a bar? Nobody goes to a bar to be healthy, yet they are passing health based bans for BARS?

        Yet which got banned?

        • mehoo

          Neither got banned, Steve. Both are regulated.

          Go smoke a cigar in your car and drive by Mad Rose. We’ll wave.

        • SamsontheCat

          I go to salad bars to be healthy.

        • borf

          YOU got banned, steve.

  • steve
    • rcw

      And I am sure a paid consultant of the Tobacco industry and antiregulatory CATO scholar wouldn’t be biased by the same collusive monetary interests you claim liberals have?

      “In May 1993, Gori entered an exclusive consulting arrangement with B&W Tobacco, receiving $200/hour a day to $1,000/day for attending conferences.[12] In the 118-page book Passive Smoke: The EPA’s Betrayal of Science and Policy, Gio Gori and his co-author and fellow industry consultant, John Luik, claim the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) used “junk science” to distort the health effects of secondhand smoke. The book was funded by B&W, which funneled the money through a third party, the Fraser Institute.”

      • AllenB

        Now THAT is a full body slam. Awesome.

      • steve

        Tobacco industry can make tons of money off smokeless tobacco. they don’t care one way or the other anymore about smoking bans, because they can just sell smokeless tobacco.

        • rcw

          You are setting up another straw man instead of continuing the original line of argumentation.

          Here I’ll help:

          You argued the scientific facts regarding the negative health effects of second hand smoke is nothing more then a liberal fabrication. This fabrication is perpetuated by monied and political interests within the progressive movement. Here is an article from years ago to prove it.

          Then I said well actually the author of that article is a highly paid consultant of the tobacco industry and a visiting scholar at a libertarian Washington, D.C think tank. My argument is that the bias you allege was inherent in the article you reference. Your logic was circular and thus your point was moot.

          Now your turn…have another crack at it

          • mehoo

            Have another “crack” at it. I get it!

  • SamsontheCat

    So as I understand it in steveworld if I smoke I don’t harm myself or those around me. If eat one french fry I immediately become fat and somehow harm those around me. If I have one drink I immediately become drunk and will drive a car, harming others. Right?

    In the real world if I smoke I increase the likelyhood of me getting cancer and increase the risk of cancer for those around me. If I eat a french fry I’m probably not doing too much damage since I generally try to eat healthy and exercise. If I have a drink I’m probably not going to get drunk, but if I decide to follow it up with another or two and decide I am too drunk to drive home I can walk, metro, bus it, or ask for a ride from a friend.

    So in the real world it’s about personal responsibility and choices for a healthy lifestyle. In steveworld they still have the billboards with “9 out of 10 doctors presecribe Virginia Slims”. Got it.

    • steve

      Grownups don’t need the government making decisions for them. Virtually every place in Clarendon was already nonsmoking before the ban was passed, but not good enough for the nanny state liberal control freaks. No it wasn’t!

      • mehoo

        Grownups need the government to protect their right to breathe from jerks who want to pollute the air inside restaurants though.

      • SamsontheCat

        So we agree. Personal responsibility and not infringing on others is good. So if I eat a burger and have a beer the only person I am directly hurting (leaving aside all the extrapolations on healthcare costs because that can be philosophized ad infinitum) is myself and if I take responsiblity for the fact that I cannot eat like that everyday and/or not exercise. And if I am responsible and do not drink too much to impair my ability to drive or take steps to ensure that I do not drive if I expect I will become that drunk, then I am, again, only harming myself.

        Now, you may deny the studies and all, but with the two examples above (eating poorly and drinking) there is pretty much no way that I can directly harm someone else. Those things are going into my body, not someone elses. Smoking puts the same thing that goes into your body into my body if I am near enough and even if you may deny that that stuff does me harm you can’t deny the empirical fact that that stuff can travel since it travels on the air.

        So, even if that smoke and that material is not bad for me. Even if we pretend that it’s good and will make everyone in the bar healthy, what right do you have to force that “health smoke” on us? None.

        Therefore, the only way to make it 100% certain that you do not impose your choices on me and infringe on my personal liberty is for you to smoke somewhere where the smoke cannot reach me. If that is a seperate room that is set up to pull all of the smoke out of the air then fine. Smoke and be happy. But if an establishment does not cater to your choices please do not cry foul and insult those who do not want to want to live your way as sissys. Man up, accept that your choices have consequences, in this case that you can’t smoke inside while drinking here for an hour or that you must smoke at home, and quit the whining. I enjoy darts while drinking, but if they don’t have a board and I come in and start throwing darts, I accept that I will likely be arrested. This does not make those who enjoy drinking without a guy in the corner throwing darts with some friends sissys, snobs, or anthing else. The establishment is under no obligation to build me a special room. If I choose to not drink there because I cannot go 30 minutes without throwing a projectile at the wall, then I have to question who is the weak one. Hint: It’s me (Hint Hint: Darts here means smoking, so it’s really you.)

        • steve

          The reason why these places don’t have smoking sections is because they are catering to arlington sissies. Even the smokers are just “okay, whatever” becaues they are used to complying to whatever they are told. In other parets of the state, not only do they have smoking sections, but people smoke in violation of the smoking ban in places that don’t even have smoking sections. That would NEVER happen in liberal arlington.

          Ive even been to bar in Manhattan that will let you smoke, but guess what, it’s blue collar places that the snobby elitist types on here would never have been caught dead going to even if they didn’t allow smoking..

          True, smoking bans in liberal areas don’t hurt business because even the liberals who smoke are just like “government knows best” i’ll just pay premium prices to drink drinks and have to stand out in the rain to smoke. I don’t care..

          And all I said Is I’m voting with my feet. Mad Rose Tavern will NEVER see a penny of my money, and I’m someone who lives in this area and won’t be moving, unlike so many of the transients here.

          • SamsontheCat

            The reason these places don’t have smoking setions is because they are catering to the majority of patrons, sissys and non-sissys, who do not smoke. If the majority of people smoked then a smoking section would be economically profitable. Since they can fit more people in, non-smokers and smokers strong enough to go without their pacifier, er, cigarette, for the length of a drink, by having it all non-smoking, it makes sense to be all non-smoking.

            I’ve been to those lawless, devil may care, parts of Virginia and other states where men are men and women are women and smoking bans were made to be broken. I was born there. I’ve also been to Clarendon and, sir, come one, don’t pretend that Clarendon was ever such a place.

            Also, and I mean this with all due respect, you’d be run out of town on a rail in a place like that. If the sign says don’t be smoking. Don’t be smoking. That’s what I was taught and that’s what my friends who smoked abided by. No whining. No crying about boycotts. They just waited and had a smoke outside in the cool air.

          • steve

            So why is there a smoking ban in the first place if bars were catering to a majority of the patrons?

            Should all behavior that we don’t approve of get banned?

          • mehoo

            Steve,

            Smoking lowers your IQ. It makes you keep saying the same thing even after you’ve been told otherwise over and over. But here we go again: the smoking ban isn’t about “disapproval.” You can smoke all you want, at home or outside. You just can’t smoke in enclosed places where non-smokers want to breathe.

            Get over it.

  • Ballstonian

    So who wants to meet up at 6PM tomorrow at the bar for a toast to Steve?

    • Glebe Roader

      Is there a parking space for my Prius?

    • mehoo

      Can’t make it tomorrow, but can we make it Thursday after work?

  • LyonParker

    Did they mention if there will be happy hour deals? This place looks like it might be a good addition to the neighborhood’s food and beer list.

  • steve

    I can’t wait until November 2012 and you liberal CRYING over Obama’s defeat. Will be so funny. Maybe many of you will leave the area after you shout “Virginians are racist rednecks anyways”

    • mehoo

      Some of us are liberals, some aren’t, but in 2012 you still won’t be smoking in restaurants or bars.

      • Steve

        Really, that’s Funny, I coudl go to Baileys right now and smoke a cigarette inside of it.

        • mehoo

          Great! Then go there and smoke and stop whining that every single restaurant or bar doesn’t cater to your need to pollute everyone else’s air, m’kay?

          • steve

            Funny how DWI causes far more societal harm than second hand smoke does.

            I can point out thousands and thousands of people killed by drunks, and you cannot prove a single person’s death was caused by second hand smoke. yet what got banned?

            So when you self righteous jerks get drunk and drive home, be proud about how smoking was banned from the place!

  • LyonParker

    Wow. What a waste of what could have been a discussion about a new restaurant.

  • Travis

    I think Steve had a rough childhood!

    Some ancient advice for Steve…”You catch more flies with honey than salt!” Life’s too short, smile sometime!

  • Joe M.

    I’m going to Mad Rose tomorrow night with some friends. We’ll be smoking outside, because, well, that’s what you do in places that don’t allow smoking.

    I’m a smoker and I agree with the nonsmoking inside laws. I was at Vail, CO last week. There you can’t even smoke outside within 50 ft. of a gathering place. That might be a bit much, IMO. I remember being in CA in 2002 when you couldn’t smoke. I remember the first night of no smoking in DE bars some years ago. I remember when MD went smoke free and when DC went smoke free and when VA went smoke free. It’s really not a big deal.

    And if you aren’t gonna go because of their smoking policy, good for you. But why exert such much energy in a forum devoted to a place that you aren’t gonna go? why so much anger for the liberals, when Big Tobacco Richmond is where state laws are passed?

    You hate Nanny State Arly so much and all the Arly Sissies, why are you reading ARLnow?

    • Steve’s a DOUCHE

      thanks Joe, well said. Let’s talk about this restaurant instead of the ass-clown. He’s probably getting off on all this attention.

    • steve

      So when government decides it knows what’s best for you and starts going the way of SF and starts banning everything they don’t approve of you’ll submit? Right? I mean, they won’t of course ban anything else they don’t approve of.

      Why are you going to a place to pay PREMIUM prices for something to be treated like a third class citizen? Why would you give them money when they made ZERO attempt to accomodate you? You’ll find that you won’t even be able to smoke outdoors there when the weather gets nice because of the sissies complaining about the smell of smoke outdoors, yet they refuse to go inside where it was banned.

      Your compliance, thinking th egovernment knows whats best for you will only lead to more and more government imposition of its will, more and more things getting banned by nanny state do gooders.

      Didnd’t realize I needed reasons or permission to read a publication. Should people be banned from websites as well?

      • t-cough

        Some people have already been banned from here, Steve. I wish they would ban more of the trolls…

  • Leah

    Steve,
    As to your “sealed off room” not bothering anyone- Perhaps the owners, managers and employees of places that dont have smoking rooms, just dont want to be subjected to the smoke. I know a bar owner who had a smoke free establishment for strictly personal reasons- hated the smell. Not trying to cater to any type of clientel just personally didnt want to be near or around smoke. I assume you dont have a problem if one of your friends asks you not to smoke in their home- same idea.

  • Steve’s a DOUCHE

    Steve reminds me a lot of Scott, from South Park’s “Christmas in Canada”…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byli3RSwjLw

  • dave

    you guys are idiots

  • Vik

    Epic trolling, Steve. Well done!

  • charlie

    seriously, 200 comments about a restaurant??

    All i have to say is that it is finally good to see something interesting in this premier retail visibility site.

    Although I still miss EGGHEAD software. (am I dating myself?)

  • steve

    Well enjoy the place you arlington sissies! Enjoy the overpriced drinks, and showing off, and for the “Government knows what’s best for me” smokers who have no problem standing outside, let me know when you get rained on that you love paying premium prices for the privilege of standing outside in the cold and rain becaues you think government knows what’s best for you!

  • Snarf

    Snarf snarf!

  • seriously?

    having to smell other peoples’ disgusting smoke sucks, and any bar ive been to with a “separate” smoking section still results in my clothes smelling like crap the rest of the night.

    smoking is SO 1980s and is just gross. have fun in redneck Virginia country boy bars if you want to smoke inside (make sure to buy Cletus a Bud from me), 1 less vagrant to stink up our liberal sissie bars in ARL :)

    and its obvious that the majority of the population can’t make responsible decisions for themselves (remember life before seat-belt laws?), so im fine with govt restrictions.

    seriously, if smokers didn’t bother me than i wouldn’t care, but its annoying so im fine with the bans.

  • libs

    Walked by at 530 this evening, didn’t appear open. But I only saw the part that was opposite SoBe. Looked pretty nice inside.

  • Kate

    I didn’t see the 3 pm update. Yea, it was not open. Lights were on. No one home.

    • mehoo

      Glad I didn’t stop by. Maybe it will be open tonight.

  • Sleeper

    This thread should be archived and preserved for future generations to wonder at. :)

  • tranny bingo

    I went to check out Mad Rose on the way home from work – I ended up being their very first paying customer!

    Nice beer on tap selection. Nice location. Nice decor. Nice people. Can’t wait for outdoor seating. Didn’t have time to try the food, but I don’t think I wanted to be the very first person to try a new restaurant’s food anyway.

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