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EXCLUSIVE: Board Acts as Walmart Eyes Shirlington Site

by ARLnow.com — July 14, 2011 at 11:25 am 38,177 414 Comments

Arlington is taking action to fend off potential by-right development by big box retailers, like Walmart, in the county’s industrial areas.

Just before adjourning for the summer, the County Board quickly and unanimously passed an item that did not appear on the board agenda. The item, a request to advertise public hearings, is the first step to passing a zoning amendment that would effectively prevent Walmart, Target and other large-format retailers (including certain supermarkets) from building stores without the Board’s prior approval.

The Board took the action as Walmart eyes an industrial site near Shirlington, adjacent to I-395 and the former Washington Golf store, for potential development. A source tells ARLnow.com that the retail giant is in the very early stages of a plan to build one of its new, multi-story urban-style stores, like those proposed for the District and Tysons Corner, at the site, which is currently occupied by a large car storage lot. The store, according to the source, would be two to three stories high with a smaller footprint than the typical, suburban Walmart store.

The proposed zoning amendment advertised Tuesday night specifies that any building in a “C-1″ or “C-2″ commercial zone, with a “gross floor area of 50,000 square feet or more on any level” would be subject to prior approval by the County Board under a Special Exception Use Permit. The exception would also apply to buildings with 200 or more parking spaces. Under the current zoning ordinance, Walmart would be able to build a store on the Shirlington site “by right” — without Board approval — a source with knowledge of zoning issues tells us.

Arlington County Planning Director Bob Brosnan says that the expanse of industrial space along Four Mile Run, near Shirlington, makes Arlington “potentially vulnerable” to the new retail trend of urban big box development.

“Nationally, these large-format operators are looking to go more urban,” Brosnan said. “So it’s really that growing fear that has led us to advertise this.”

The goal, Brosnan said, is not to block Walmart from coming to the county. Rather, the goal is to enable the County Board to set conditions that could mitigate some of the traffic and other adverse impacts of large-format retail development. For instance, the Board may require a store on the car lot site to work with the state to obtain direct access from I-395, instead of allowing customers to clog up the low-capacity I-395 exit onto Shirlington Road, which is adjacent to a heavily-used bicycle and pedestrian crossing.

“Ultimately, if you don’t have good road access, it’s going to be difficult,” Brosnan said.

Hearings will now be held on the proposed zoning ordinance amendment. The Board is expected to consider the amendment in September, when it comes back from its summer break. In its report to the board, county staff noted that Loudoun, Fairfax and Prince William counties have all recently passed similar zoning amendments aimed at large-scale developments.

County spokesman Mary Curtius said the Request to Advertise was not on the Board’s official agenda because it was still being prepared as the agenda was published, and staff wanted to get the request approved before the Board’s summer break. The item’s last-minute passage was “fairly typical,” she said.

So far, Walmart has not responded to a request for comment.

  • steve85

    Please don’t bring a non-union company here

    • ArlForester

      You do realize Virginia is a Right-To-State, right?

      • ArlForester

        Right-to-work. Hate that you can’t edit a post.

        • http://web.me.com/shediger/Suzannes/Suzannes_Place.html Suzanne

          It should be called Right to Freeload. If you work a union job in Virginia, you don’t have to pay union dues, but you benefit from all the provisions of the contract and the union has to represent you just as if you were a paying member. You just don’t get to vote and can’t go to union meetings.

          Right to work is just a marketing name like the “Job Killing *** bill”

          • ArlForester

            Sounds like the union guys are the dummies, not the non-union ones.

          • KalashniKEV

            +1

          • samsonite

            Wow, that’s an intelligent response.

      • steve85

        NoVa not RoVa. Two different states

        • ArlForester

          The whole state Steve. I know you union lovers would love to drag Virginia back to the 1940′s but we will stick with not screwing the consumer so some uneducated laborer can pull in 100k.

          • steve85

            You must like Robert F. McDonnell.

          • ArlForester

            You must like James R. Hoffa.

          • ArlForester

            It wasn’t a joke. It was logic-flow. Learn it.

          • Bob

            Yes! We must not screw the consumer!

            The employee, however…

          • samsonite

            Since the unions started declining, wages have not grown faster than inflation. That’s right, three decades without a raise. Productivity has grown, wealth for the top 1% has grown, but zero wage growth for laborers.

            The 1940s look pretty damn good compared to that.

          • SomeGuy

            Samsonite, aren’t you usually the one asking for citations when people spout statistics like yours?

            Furthermore, productivity has grown due in large part to technological advancement since the 40′s (see: computer you use to post your typical non-sense) and automation. I suspect that’s why labor is not worth as much, while engineers who know how to program automation equipment and software have been more unfortunate.

          • ArlForester

            Facts suck.

          • SomeGuy

            Edit: “engineers who know how to program… have been more fortunate”

          • samsonite

            This is the best chart I could find, but unfortunately it’s small. Based on Bureau of Labor Statistics data.

            http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRjTxSRR34r3hI_1M5UdEgcwEGVmpd2wCUF1OF8k6MLixCYjp2h&t=1

            This is a cool interactive chart showing how much of the growth has gone to which sectors. Between 79-08, 100% of the growth in income went to the top 10%. The rest of us lost ground.

            http://www.stateofworkingamerica.org/pages/interactive#/?start=1979&end=2008

            As for the reasons for productivity gains – does it matter? Why shouldn’t labor share in that? If not, wages would still be at the level before the plow was invented. Besides, wages drive consumer spending and that drives the economy. Remember Henry Ford.

          • samsonite

            100K? Stop with the nonsense.

          • ArlForester

            Unions first….

          • samsonite

            Adjusted for inflation, wages haven’t gone up since 1979. Productivity has, wealth has, but not wages. That’s pathetic, and it’s a direct result of the decline in unions. So I repeat, stop the nonsense.

          • ArlForester

            Go join a union then. They’ve done wonders for places like New York. Oops….

          • KalashniKEV

            I was in the excavation Laborer’s Union in NYC… I made up to $60/hr with a shovel in my hand. I have since moved on professionally and am now anti-union. = )

          • samsonite

            Lots of people freeload and then screw the next generation, Kev, you’re not special.

          • KalashniKEV

            It certainly wouldn’t call it “freeloading,” that was some back breaking work!

            I would call it what it is- legally participating in organized corruption.

          • samsonite

            I know you wouldn’t call it freeloading, but it is. You took union wages but now you expect others to do backbreaking work for less. You got yours and now you don’t care. You weren’t so anti-union when you were getting that check, huh? Tell you what – why don’t you add up how much extra wages you so unfairly got back then and send a check to make up for it? Yeah, thought so.

          • KalashniKEV

            Hey, it’s legal… so why not do it? There are plenty of unemployed out there living on the dole, reaching into my pocket… so long as they do it through Welfare and not simple robbery, it’s morally justified to them.

            If businesses used the same strong arm tactics as the union thugs, they would be fined, broken up, and have their officers imprisoned. For the unwashed masses though, it’s OK.

          • samsonite

            Do it all you want, just don’t expect anyone to respect your hypocritical rants about it.

          • Josh S

            Since when is the consumer more important than the laborer?

            Wait, you don’t have to answer it. Since about the last 60 years, I know, I know. America is a country built on consumption, not labor. The strange thing is, the same people who will complain about the loss of good blue collar jobs are the same who complain about the unions.

            And you wonder why there is so much disaffection in 21st century America…..

          • ZoningVictim

            I don’t get it. Unions = higher pay = less competitive than labor in other countries. So why would it be strange to complain about unions and the loss of good blue collar jobs?

          • dog

            Because that puts you in a race to the bottom.

          • ZoningVictim

            But letting all of your manufacturing jobs go to China, Mexico, etc. Well that there is a race to the top.

          • samsonite

            The consumer IS the laborer!

    • http://arlingtondirt.blogspot.com/2010/12/county-board-watch.html TGEoA

      Screw unions.

      • samsonite

        To your own detriment.

      • KalashniKEV

        I dare you to say that in front of the SEIU thugs on DuPont… they would probably do violence on you!!

    • Jim

      unions are the worst of the worst.

  • Kyle

    That area of Shirlington is an eye sore as it stands now. I would welcome development of that area even if it does become a Walmart. I think there are ways they could mitigate the traffic concerns.

    • Scott

      agree

    • ArlForester

      Add in the fact that the people who live there would probably love to shop and work at the store. Of course, it is Walmart and not some trendy store loved by people like the libs on the board.

      • Arlington

        I live here and I don’t want to work there nor do I want to shop there.

        There is a Giant, a Harris Teeter and a Safeway all within a stones throw of Shirlington. Couple those with the huge Target at Skyline and I’m not seeing what benefits a Walmart would provide.

        A Walmart here isn’t necessary and will only cause problems

        • ArlForester

          Great, one whole vote for no. Duly noted and summarily ignored.

          • http://arlingtondirt.blogspot.com/2010/12/county-board-watch.html TGEoA

            :))

          • NPGMBR

            Oops, sorry I’m late. I second Arlington’s vote!

          • b0rk

            Third. There is a Target off of RT 50 and Potomac Yard so there isn’t exactly a lack of these trashy big-boxes as it is.

          • samsonite

            If you think there wouldn’t be a massive fight against Walmart coming to Arlington, you’re naive. And it wouldn’t be about labor issues either.

          • Josh S

            Are you kidding? You must be kidding.

            ARLNow – please add a poll on this thing right away. I’m not predicting an anti-WalMart result here on this blog, but I’d guess that if it was put to the citizens of Arlington as a whole, it would get rejected.

          • Patrick

            Yea god forbid we allow a store that offers quality products at discounted prices to the benefit of their customers. What kind of nut would want to shop there?

          • Andy

            Quality products? at Wal-Mart? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

          • Josh S

            Watch out for Patrick, he’s on the Walmart payroll!!!

          • TheMenace

            Andy,

            Would you support banning the dollar store on Columbia Pike next to Sauca? I’ve bought some REALLY crappy stuff there…

            Or maybe we should just let people decide where to spend their money and let businesses offer whatever they think people want/wil buy instead of the county preemptively excluding a business.

            TheMenace

          • samsonite

            You probably wouldn’t want a dollar store the size of a Walmart though.

          • ZoningVictim

            You do realize that Wal-Mart owns what amount to slave labor camps in places like China, right?

            While I support Wal-Mart’s right to open up there under the current law and am totally against the plan to have the County Board okay stores of this size, they’re a horrible company.

            If the CB wants stores of this size to have to prove that they won’t create a traffic nightmare or make them pay for the changes that need to be made, then they should update the Zoning Ordinance to reflect those demands and not setup a ripe for corruption scheme where they are the ones who decide if a business can move into Arlington or not. Frankly, I think this is more about controlling what businesses are allowed into Arlington than it is about traffic problems.

          • timo

            oh, I think you’ll find there’ll be plenty of “no” votes on this little scheme.

        • Southeast Ben

          Benefits or Customers?

        • C

          Maybe it would bring a little competition? All we have is Target. It would be nice to have another option. There is a small Walmart in the Burke area- It is unobtrusive and seems to fill a need.

          • Josh S

            Yikes. Proof that the game is already lost. Dude thinks the only place to shop is Target.

          • C

            No, we have other places to shop, but only Target in that type of store. Costco and BJ’s can’t compare due to bulk item aspect. What other store can you go to in the area that offers the same type of selection? I can’t think of another store that I can get a set of dishes, cleaning supplies, dog food, milk, and socks for the kids. Please, if there is one, let me know!

          • the native

            Ayers, in Westover. Awesome! They have everything.

          • Lou

            Was in Ayer’s last night. Love that place. I picked up a laundry basket, some underwear, a 1/48 scale F15 model kit, some potting soil, a pool float, contact paper, and an 8×12 baking pan.

          • Clarendude

            The hallmark of a great hardware/variety store like Ayers is that it amazes you that they carry whatever it is you are looking for – and they do it without a quarter million square foot warehouse-like building. I just bought an awesome cast iron skillet there.

        • Erin

          I also live in Shirlington, I am completely opposed to a Walmart being built there. It will not benefit the neighborhood. Walmart does not provide quality products. I think the county and the residents should do everything possible to prevent it from being built.

          • TheMenace

            Erin,

            What is the proper standard of “quality” that we should use when deciding in advance if a company should be allowed to offer goods or services for sale? Is it just your own personal standard?

            We don’t need t wear fancy clothes during activities like housework or grilling, right? I think there is a role for non-boutique items in life.

            Why not let bad businesses go out of business of their own doing? We wouldn’t say that new restaurants should have to go through a taste approval process with the county board. We’d want to let the restaurant open for business and see if enough people come eat there for it to continue.

            We should all have our opinions about businesses, but how we exercise those opinions is the real question we should debate.

            TheMenace

          • WalmartSucks

            yea, it attracts FLEAS and TRASH. look at http://www.peopleofwalmart.com, then go watch http://www.walmartmovie.com/

          • no walmart

            No Walmart maybe a book store !!!!!!

          • Rick

            You do realize a bookstore will look like the current building on-site within five years right?

        • cb

          -splain problems? Other than traffic which any development would bring? for the record neither pro or anti Walmart,,,,,

      • mlk

        Um, I LIVE in that area and would not want to work there OR shop there. Thanks for the N. Arlington snobbishness.

        • Scott

          I’m one of “the people that live there” & say bring it. And wow there’s a lot of trolls that comment all day long on this site…

        • KP

          I live in that area and would NOT want a walmart near my house. There’s one in Kingstown, another on Rt. 1 and that’s close enough.

      • Tre

        I’m offended… i’m not a lib but I love me some trendy stores.

        • Tre

          let me add that I also would shop at a walmart

      • Arlington

        I live in Shirlington–a few blocks from there. NO chance I or any member of my family would want to shop or work there. No, no, no. Horrible idea.

        • ArlForester

          I was thinking maybe all those fine folks who hang out on the street corners in the Valley could use a place to work. I see you prefer they remain on the corner.

          • mlk

            You really think those guys who hang out on the corner are going to work at Walmart? Why aren’t they working at one of the 3 Targets in the area now?

          • ArlForester

            Good point. Those guys are there bringing up your property values.

          • KalashniKEV

            It’s more fun to stay drunk on the corner and collect a check.

          • HP2000

            Those guys on the corner are self employed.

          • samsonite

            A recent study – more facts, I know – showed that Walmarts in urban areas don’t create any jobs. They merely take jobs from surrounding small businesses.

            http://www.respectdc.org/2011/05/chicago-walmart-study-pokes-holes-in-job-growth-strategy/

            So the narrative of Walmart outcompeting the small businesses is true. Walmart does lower prices, but it doesn’t create jobs.

          • http://arlingtondirt.blogspot.com/2010/12/county-board-watch.html TGEoA

            So we get lower prices. Great! Im glad you want Walmart too

          • samsonite

            I was just responding to the false claim that Walmart would bring new jobs, TG.

          • http://www.arlnow.com ARLnow.com

            This comment has been edited.

          • Josh S

            All bow down before the one and true GOD – low prices!

            *spits*

          • Just sayin’

            Did you click through to the study?

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-chicago-precedent-one-wal-marts/2011/05/04/AF0oGACG_story.html

            Far from conclusive. Also, I’d like to point out the timeframe of the study. The Walmart in question opened in the Fall of 2006. Shortly thereafter, economic events of some significance occurred. It wouldn’t be unfair to assume that, absent Walmart, a whole bunch of small retail stores would have closed between the Fall of 2006 and 2 years later.

            In fact, one could argue with a straight face that the retail employee numbers over that time period being a “wash” was, in fact, a huge win. That is, were it not for Walmart employing people, the retail employment figures for 2006-2008 would have been pretty dismal.

          • samsonite

            This study is far more conclusive than the evidence posted here to the contrary–i.e. absolutely nothing.

          • John Fontain

            “don’t create any jobs”

            We don’t need a study, we need common sense. Right now tens of thousands of Arlington households leave the county to shop at Targets and WalMarts in other counties. If a WalMart was located in Arlington, many of those tens of thousands of households would not leave but would shop right here in Arlington. If tens of thousands of households do more of their shopping in our county, then common sense follows that our county’s net employment would increase in order to service the overall increase in shopping within the county.

        • We fear change

          I call BS. If it was there and you need a widget that they had for $4.95, you’d go.

      • BoredHouseWife

        not unless they change their sexist policies.

        • Thes

          Which of their policies is sexist?

          • Walmart Lawsuit
          • BrownFlipFlops

            Do you mean the one that was just thrown out by the Supreme Court?

          • the native

            In all fairness it was thrown out as a Class Action suit, because the SC didn’t think you could classify 1.2 mil (?) Women as substantially the same. It will be back in another life soon if it isn’t already.

          • BoredHouseWife

            you use the proper noun “Supreme Court” like it means something to people. Ever since the citizen’s united, heck, ever since the election of 2000, SCOTUS has lost a lot of credibility. (Like they care.)

          • Thes

            This article describes specific situations in which women were treated terribly, but I cannot see a “sexist policy” identified. What is the “sexist policy”?

      • yrb

        People would LOVE to work there??? ARE YOU INSANE??

        ….

        Screw Walmart

    • G

      I agree. I say let them build it… however there’s a decent Target right down the street on Route 7 as it is.

    • samsonite

      We can do better.

    • JenLynn

      An eyesore? What part of Shirlington have you been to recently?

  • Arlington

    Please, no.

  • Aaron

    Hooray Arlington County Board! We can be even more backwards than the District government if we try hard enough.

    http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/41145/the-selling-of-walmart/

  • Chris

    Not sure I want a Wal-Mart put in there, but something needs to be done with that car lot\tiny warehouse. It’s been boarded up for years and an eyesore for decades. I know it’s too much to hope and dream for a county park or just some simple green space.

    • steve85

      Awww sorry that won’t happen

      • SaintLouisJohn

        Indeed it is steve85. But a nice office building for a company like say Aptis or a corvete race track would be cool too.

        • steve85

          A corvete race track. HaHa that won’t happen

    • WalmartSucks

      how about finally building a Metro station that services Shirlington? Anything is better than Walmart, even if it’s a vacant building.

  • steve85

    They should put a Wegmans there. That would look better

    • ArlForester

      Maybe Artisphere II. The southside needs their own moronic waste of money.

    • E-Ross

      Good idea, but it’ll probably be covered under the “including certain supermarkets” park of the zoning change

      • Kyle

        Not enough space for a Wegmans. If there were, traffic would really be a nightmare. The suburbs can’t even handle Wegmans traffic.

        • steve85

          All they would have to is build undergtound parking( about 150 spaces) it can be done.

          • Bubba

            A Wegmans would kill it anywhere in Arlington, and they’re obviously familiar with NoVa demographics. They’re a pretty smart company, makes you wonder why they haven’t come here yet.

          • steve85

            Great comment!!!

          • Patrick

            Three words. Arlington Country Board.

    • C

      I am so with you on getting a Wegman’s! It is far superior to anything we have in Arlington.

      • steve85

        Thanks

      • BoredHouseWife

        me to infinity. I would love a wegmans.

        • Clarendon Resident

          + infinity for me, too.

    • 2 girls 1 cup

      agree

    • KP

      Yes! Scrap this walmart idea, get a nice Wegmans in there. I think it would be a good fit with there the community is going.

      • Vinh An Nguyen

        No, no. Wegmans on the former Dremos/Taco Bell site.

    • CW

      Ok, every time there’s an empty lot, people suggest a Wegmans and people need to understand that Wegmans does not go around just slapping down locations left and right. They think and think and plan and do tons of research before opening a store, which is years in the making. They take care to maintain their supply chain without overextending their capabilities. They’re trying to avoid all the pitfalls that come with explosive growth, and once you become more than regional as a supermarket, you get complexities of a whole other order of magnitude (this obviously wouldn’t be an issue here since they’re already in VA). But it just makes me laugh every time someone just says “put a wegmans there!” like it’s a McDonalds or something. I can assure you that, if there is an opportunity and the area presents the necessary resources, Danny and Co. are already looking at it.

      • Artie Fufkin

        As was previously stated, Wegmans is very deliberate when it comes to building stores.

        They announced 2 years ago that a store will be built in Alexandria at Telegraph Rd and it’s still 2 years away from completion.

      • steve85

        Its call options

        • Jim Cramer

          No, in this case it’s put options.

      • Captain Oblivious

        No, no, no! You’re missing the point! See, “They” should just “put one there.” Get it?

  • Lee-n-Glebe

    I don’t understand the resistance people have to Walmarts, other than the potential traffic issue cited by Mr. Brosnan (although I suspect there is an element of prospective hostage-holding in the County’s move). They provide employment and are certainly going to be a source of tax revenue. People seem to hate on Walmart just to hate.

    • mlk

      Then let’s put the Walmart in N. Arlington. Maybe at Lee & Glebe?

      • ArlForester

        Nah, let’s leave it a rust factory and eyesore. Progress is for losers.

        • mlk

          I’d rather have a rusty eye-sore than traffic jams, pollution, lower property values and a store that can’t pay its staff a living wage so my tax $$ has to pay for their medical care.

          You might be suckered into their advertising, but Walmart will demand so many concessions from the County that it’ll barely bring in a dime of tax revenue. AND kill small shops in the process? No thank you. Arlington is better than that.

          • ArlForester

            You have an issue with your taxes paying for someone’s health care? I will take one guess who you voted for and wonder if you read about his health care act, the one where you will pay for everyone’s health care.

            Lower property values, LMAO.

          • Local Business

            Why are you laughing?

          • ArlForester

            Because the area is currently a blighted warehouse. I must have missed when those raised property values.

          • samsonite

            We could turn that one around on YOU though, ArlForester. You probably do have an issue with the taxpayers picking up the cost of healthcare, so why do you tolerate it from Walmart?

          • Hank

            I pictured it the other way around.
            County Board: Wow someone is actually interested in building there and they don’t need our permission (by right development) to do it? We better change that and fast so we can extort lots of goodies from them in exchange for obtaining our permission.

            Think of all the goodies we can get. $$$ for the trolley, $$$ for the homeless, $$$ to blow on the failing artisphere, $$$ to build a new softball park for the W-L Girls softball, etc…

        • novanglus

          No, Wal-mart is for losers. They sell junk at bargain prices and pay their apathetic staff pennies to stand around and maybe occasionally stock the shelves. JC Penney and K-Mart already left the Arlington/Alex City area because there wasn’t enough of their demographic living here. Wal-Mart will have the same problem, unless most of their customers come from afar — that would mean traffic, crime, and chaos just like at the CostCo,

          That triangle between Shirlington Rd and I-395 needs to be redeveloped, no doubt, and it will be. But there are many other possibilities that would take much better advantage of the location and area demographics. I think the county board got something right, for once.

        • Josh S

          Progress? In what possible way would a Walmart be “progress” for Arlington County? If you just mean having something rather than nothing on the vacant lot, then I guess a hog farm would be progress. A penitentiary would be progress. How about a paper mill? All glorious examples of Arlington “progressing!!”

          It may or may not represent more jobs. It may or may not represent additional tax revenue. And it may or may not represent lower prices. But it most certainly does NOT represent progress.

          • SamsontheCat

            Oooh hog farm or maybe an urban farm. Very sustainable.

          • SamsontheCat

            Not sarcasm. A farm would be awesome.

          • RE Guy

            Sorry – market has said that’s not the highest and best use for the land.

      • Lee-n-Glebe

        Why not? There’s a currently-vacant piece of land just South of Lee that appears big enough. Don’t know who currently owns it though.

        • C

          I live across the street from that eye-sore of a vacant lot. It was an apartment complex up until a couple of years ago. I would love to know what the plan it and why it has been sitting for years without any groundbreaking going on.

          • Lee-n-Glebe

            If I had to guess, I would say that it was a planned townhouse and / or condo development that got sidelined by the housing downturn and / or the lack of available construction financing. The apartments were probably razed to reduce the property tax burden while the developer waited for things to turn back around.

            But that’s a complete guess, I’d love to know too. ArlNow, have you ever checked this out? It’s a pretty decently sized parcel right in a prime location.

          • jan

            That site also had attractive and well maintained low cost housing: brick garden apartments.

            Would love to see a story about what happened there.

          • Lee-n-Glebe

            Another guess, I’d say a developer offered the owner more than the owner thought the complex was worth and, being a smart business person, the owner took the offer.

          • Lee-n-Glebe

            FYI – looks like it sold in 2005, and again in 2007. Unclear why the County didn’t get around to reassessing it until the 2007 sale.

            http://www.arlingtonva.us/Departments/RealEstate/reassessments/scripts/Inquiry.asp?action=view&lrsn=11221

          • Lee-n-Glebe

            You really can learn a lot from the Arlington property tax assessment website. Looks like it was bought by Archstone, a nationwide owner of apartments. Also look like it will be four 4-story buildings with approx. 300 apartments and a 4-floor, above-ground parking garage. They are going through the permitting process now.

            http://permits.arlingtonva.us/Permit_Comments.aspx?p_number=B1000719

    • Shirlington girl

      I don’t hate on Walmart just to hate. I do shop there on a rare occasion, but I don’t want the clientele that come w/ it in my neighborhood. Do you? Think people coming in from Anacostia. Just look @ the Pentagon City Mall…

      • VA^2

        Best comment on here, so far.

      • TheMenace

        Shirlington girl,

        Saying that you don’t want “the clientele” coming into your neighborhood…from Anacostia…that could be construed as racism and definitely is classist.

        Should we ask Arlington County to shut down all the businesses west of Glebe on Columbia Pike because they tend to serve people who make a more modest income?

        Please reconsider your gentrifying preferences.

        TheMenace

  • daltonminimum

    Oh, hell no. There are too many cars in the neighborhood already. To say we residents will fight this is a vast understatement.

  • Y T K

    Well.. it’ll probably pass no matter what we think– but maybe just maybe its presecne will force Metro (and ART) to add some more buses to the PITIFUL Sunday Bus Serivce in thise are!!!

    IMHO, dilligad? I’m Metro dependent so this will be a heckuva lot better than taking the bus, the train and another bus to get to the WALMART near Beacon Mall.

    NOW– we need a HOME DEPOT in this area too!!!!

  • Shirlington girl

    I live and work in Shirlington and DO NOT want a Walmart anywhere near here b/c of the traffic and people it would bring in! I appreciate their low prices, but when I want something from there, I go to Mt Vernon… where it belongs, or even better, just order online. I agree w/ the other statements that there is a Target near by, so why put a Walmart in? Part of Shirlington’s charm is it’s boutique stores and lack of large national chains (minus Harris Teeter, but we love HT!).

    I also agree that that area is an eyesore, but all of 4 Mile Run is an eyesore b/c it’s full of autobody shops, not known for their beauty =P How about we put in something useful like a self-service carwash w/ multiples stalls? (which we need in Arlington, and would get a lot of use near all those autobody shops!) Or maybe some cheaper restaurants, like an empanada shop. Oooh, that would be perfect! Bottom line: Walmart, please look elsewhere!

    • Lee-n-Glebe

      I’m reminded of a headline in The Onion that was something like:
      “Quirky Neighborhood Chock full of Unsustainable Business Plans” with a picture of a used record store, watch repair shop, and an exotic tea boutique.

    • JenLynn

      I second both this comment and your previous one. A self-service car wash with bays (although not overly attractive) would at least be useful for those of us who take pride in a clean car but do not live in a house with a driveway. It’s unglamorous but a needed necessity in the area.

      • Maria

        Yes please!

    • http://helenchapman.net Helen

      Harris Teeter is not a large national chain. They are mainly NC grocery that recently expanded into VA. Great store tho.

  • Local Business

    If the argument is for jobs, encourage local business to take the spot and open stores. More money actually remains in the community. Walmart has notoriously horrible labor practices.

    • mlk

      +1

  • ACE

    Sure– “part of Shirlington’s charm is it’s (ITS) boutique stores” — calm down– they are not going anywhere soon….. But ….methinks said “trendiness” is a big farce. Before you see what you see NOW — there was, in Shirlington, a Deli that served the best Sandwiches, a BELL and Co (Discount big box store) and a number of little stores and restaurants that were just FINE. As for the autobody shops– leave them alone — and why did you specifically use the word “empanada” to make fun of something???

    • Shirlington girl

      No, I just really want someone to open an emapanada shop in Arlington ;) I love them! Not making fun of anyone

  • Lou

    Good. About time Arlington had a Walmart.

  • AR

    I live blocks from this location. It is blighted. I would welcome an urban-scale Walmart within walking distance.

    I wonder if the board has considered how much tax revenue the county loses when people go shop at Target or Walmart right outside the county borders in Alexandria/Falls Church/Fairfax.

    • ArlForester

      You can take your logical arguments elsewhere, thank you.

      • samsonite

        False choice is a logical fallacy.

    • daltonminimum

      One note: There are no Wal-Marts within the boundaries of the City of Alexandria. There are two that have mailing addresses in “Alexandria” (Kingstowne & Richmond Highway locations) but they are both well within Fairfax County. It’s a postal designation only.

      • AR

        One note: there is currently a Target within a stone’s throw of Arlington within the city of Alexandria. Note the use of the word “or” in my comment and the three locations I listed.

        • spookiness

          I live in Alexandria and I know of no Wal-marts in city limits.
          There are two on Richmond Hwy, and 1 in Kingstown, all in Ffx Cty.

  • SaveDaveMcKenna

    I want the golf store back. I’m for Wal-Mart only if they pay to put a metro spur from Pentagon down Columbia Pike to Shirlington. Otherwise there are two nearby Targets that are just fine. Lastly, check out peopleofwalmart.com. No thanks.

    • steve85

      Wow!!! That’s a great idea.

    • SamsontheCat

      I support this plan just to have a Metro stop labeled “Walmart”

      • dk

        +1

      • WalmartSucks

        *ding ding… doors opening, step back to allow customers to exit. When boarding, please move to the center of the car* ………. “SILVER LINE TRAIN, to WALMART”………. *ding ding, step back. Doors closing*

    • Josh S

      Can you imagine? Walmart paying for a Metro line expansion? That would be awesome! Heck, I’d support a Walmart across the street from me if it came with that kind of perk!

      Complete and utter fantasy but still….

      • gonzo

        If they help fund for metro I would help with the ground breaking ceremony.

  • Tph

    Typical of the county board to take unadvertised action on something like this that is of great interest to many Arlingtonians.

    • Thes

      Um, the County Board’s vote WAS to advertise their proposal.

    • charlie

      you are right to bring this up Tph, the County Board generally puts the Request to Advertise on their agenda. It is part of their good government transperency that they like. I’d be curious if this is a new way of doing business — not announcing their Advertising Request.

      • ZoningVictim

        Well, as stated the vote was to advertise for public comment and if the CB wants to stop them, they have to do it before they purchase the property and start building by right. I’m against them making themselves the deciders about which businesses are allowed to come in here, but I don’t think they were trying to be sneaky by putting this in at the last minute. I think they just got caught flat-footed and felt they couldn’t wait to start the process.

  • http://www.arlnow.com ARLnow.com

    Reminder: Please refrain from personal attacks and off-topic national political discussions.

    • ArlForester

      Ad hominem arguments are allowed. Gotcha.

      • CW

        Yes, the line between what is deemed an acceptable ad hominem argument versus a forbidden personal attack does seem to move around a little bit in these parts, doesn’t it?

        • samsonite

          Yep, like just the other day, Arlnow had the audacity to exclude Donaldson Run from it’s report on what areas got rain, as if the area wasn’t even part of the county. Despicable.

  • Terry

    Have not set foot in a Wal-Mart in seven years and do not plan to do so. It’s bad enough we have a Costco here. NO WAL-MART!!!

    • SomeGuy

      Okaaay. All I’m hearing is “Terry doesn’t like Wal-mart or Costco.” You wanna talk it out and say why. Hmm?

    • Richard Cranium

      Yeah! If we get one more store where I can save money on the things I use every day, I’m just going to puke!

      • Josh S

        Our almighty GOD has many names – you can also pray to Saving Money!! and your prayers may be answered by Sam Walton!!

        • Richard Cranium

          I absolutely pray to saving money. I assume you pray to spending more than is necessary?

    • BoredHouseWife

      ok I was fine with the wal-mart bashing but Costco! You shut your mouth! :)

  • We fear change

    Why is the Board meddling in this?The last time they did something like this it almost cost Columbia Pike it’s grocery store. That location in particular would be a great place for a Walmart. Please come. I live in that area and welcome it. BTW Walmart has made huge steps in ‘greening’ their stores.

    • Josh S

      If We fear change isn’t a Walmart plant, I’ll eat my hat…..

      • We fear change

        Start eating. Just a friendly neighbor that spent time down that way when there was still a dump and an Ollies Trolly not far away.

  • G

    ARLnow, you should post a poll for this story.

  • Carnac the Magnificent

    I predict that this thread will break comment records.

    • Thes

      It will if everyone does their part.

  • MrCar

    Walmart is the largest employer in Virginia, we should be thanking them not only for the jobs but for providing the most GLORIOUS parking lots for our vehicles. I could spend hours oogling at their size and freewheeling drive aisles. It would immediately become a gathering point for vehicles. Why should only people have pocket parks in which to gather ? Cars have needs and desires as well !

    • samsonite

      Yeah, but it also gave us this to ogle:

      http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?s=virginia

      • Jezebel

        For the WIN!
        Outstanding.

    • steve85

      I don’t think Wal Mart is Virginia largest employer

    • novanglus

      “Walmart is the largest employer in Virginia”

      Maybe, but how many main street retailers and local manufacturers closed as a result of their aggressive importation of cheap, toxic crap from overseas?

  • steve85

    The poll should be between WalMart, Wegmans, or Whole Foods.

    • TheMenace

      Steve85,

      That’s the problem…you can’t just ask the County to fiat a specific store to come and take the location. It’s up to the business to decide if they think they have what it takes to turn a profit, which means they can provide something that enough people value at higher than the cost they charge. The person best able to decide on what store should open in that location is the business owner.

      Now I’m not opposed to zoning regulations in general, but the county is targeting Walmart specifically.

      TheMenace

    • WalmartSucks

      Whole Foods would be great! It’s a long stretch between Clarendon and Old Town, and a WF there is very walkable, while also serving the city and County in areas between the existing ones. It is convenient to 395 as well. The Clarendon WF is always overcrowded, not talking about parking, I could give a crap about everyones obsession with cars, but the ISLES are like a rampage of angry aggessive people. I was in the WF in Friendship Heights, that place is amazing!

  • BerryBerryCold

    Something doesn’t smell right with this.

  • TJ

    Isn’t there some kind of quirky, sensationalist economic indicator out there somewhere that uses a “Starbucks to Walmarts” ratio?

    This would certainly throw that to pot.

  • BerryBerryCold

    Just before adjourning for the summer, the County Board quickly and unanimously passed an item that did not appear on the board agenda.

    Is that even legal?

    • Thes

      They passed a motion to *notify the public* that they were thinking of doing something. Yes, that’s legal. They have to start somewhere.

      • samsonite

        But it wasn’t on the agenda that they were going to put it on the agenda!

        • Thes

          Exactly. And now we only have a scant 60 days to discuss it before the Board re-convenes. Government, please slow down and become less efficient! /s

          • samsonite

            In other knee-jerk criticism of the county board news, low taxes are actually high taxes.

        • novanglus

          You mean they didn’t advertise that they were going to advertise?

  • Arlwhenever

    Can’t have ordinary shopping for ordinary people in Arlington — particularly a store that will bring in hundreds of jobs (family folks like myself leave Arlington County all the time to do our shopping) and virtually overnight would become the biggest source of tax revenue in Arlington County.

    • samsonite

      See my comment above. Walmart will probably not bring any new jobs, just displace other jobs. And Walmart might pay less.

      http://www.respectdc.org/2011/05/chicago-walmart-study-pokes-holes-in-job-growth-strategy/

      • Arlwhenever

        A WalMart would bring in jobs to Arlington because there are essentially no discount store shopping opportunities available in the County for people like myself who are raising a family and carefully watch our budgets. We take our business (and the jobs that business generates) outside of the county now, but would shop closer to home if given the option. In addition, the WalMart store would be visible from I395 and would attract off and then back on the freeway again patronage from commuters. Some commuters might even pop over to Shirlington for vittles. There would be a big positive financial benefit for the County.

        • samsonite

          Of course there are places for you to shop at a discount. Costco and Target are in or just outside Arlington, while Walmart isn’t that far a drive.

          Perhaps a Walmart would bring jobs to Arlington, but it would take them away from surrounding jurisdictions. The point is that there is no net job growth – and quite possibly a net loss in wages and benefits – brought by a Walmart. Claiming that Walmart would have a positive effect on jobs is wrong. So don’t do it.

          Nothing wrong with wanting lower prices, and Walmart would bring them for sure, but that’s a different issue from jobs.

          • Arlwhenever

            Costgo only works for the occasional megabuy (and for many items is more expensive than Walmart which you might know if you had to support a family on a limited budget). In any event, Chris Zimmerman has planned Costco out of existence — he’s a road going down the center aisle and condos towering above it.

            You know, I don’t tell the rest of you all don’t open bars, stop all the bistros, prohibit food trucks and eliminate live entertainment venues because they don’t serve me or fit my lifestyle. Family men like me want a few good places for shopping and we get slammed. Looks to me like Arlington is full of naval gazing, self-centered elitists.

            By the way, there are no Targets in Arlington, none.

          • samsonite

            True about Costco, which is why most people don’t shop at only one store their entire lives. Oh, and Zimmerman actually didn’t do that, you know? Costco exists.

            Target’s not in Arlington, but it’s close enough to shop there.

            I’m not telling you not to open a Walmart. I haven’t once said I oppose it, or that I don’t shop at Walmart myself. I’m just telling you not to bullshit your way to it.

        • AllenB

          You mean the two Targets each less than half a mile outside of the county line and the Costco in Pentagon City aren’t enough?

          • Arlwhenever

            Alexandria is going to tear out its Target by the way — part of the Crystal City steetcar (uh, I mean bus rapid transit) project.

          • Josh S

            Oh boy. Where do you get your news?

            The transitway project involves no tearing down of Target Or Best Buy. Or Shoppers Food Warehouse.

            Besides, if you wanted to pick an imaginary bogeyman to scare us with, I’d have picked the construction of a new Metrorail station at Potomac Yards. It sounds much worse. You can much more easily imagine stores getting torn down for that monster.

          • Arlwhenever

            I get my news from the City of Alexandria, to wit:

            “Officially called North Potomac Yard Small Area Plan, the area comprises a 69-acre site currently owned by CPYR, Inc., a Delaware company. City Council approved the rezoning of the existing Potomac Yard Retail Center, located within the North Potomac Yard planning area, to include up to 7.5 million square feet of development. This new plan would replace the existing 600,000 square foot retail center that currently includes businesses such as Target, Best Buy, Regal Cinema,and Shoppers Food Warehouse. This rezoning is vital to the subsequent approval of a new Metrorail Station.”

            http://www.mccafferyinterests.com/resources/category/2/0/5/images/Alexandria%20Approves%20Potomac%20Yards%20Redevelopment%20to%20Include%20Construction%20of%20a%20New%20Metrorail%20Station%20%20r.pdf

            Go by Streetcar, but don’t go there, not to shop at Target, Best Buy or Shoppers Food, in any event.

          • Arlwhenever

            My source, among others for the planned destruction of the Target (and the rest of the shopping center actually) is the Mayor off Alexandria who said, and I quote verbatim,

            “This plan will significantly energize the economic development of the entire Potomac Yard Route 1 corridor,” said Alexandria Mayor William D. Euille. “Alexandrians will also benefit from increased mass transit, strong business and
            residential opportunities and unique cultural enhancements. This visionary plan is eco-friendly, economically and environmentally sustainable, and will improve our
            urban identity.”

            “Officially called North Potomac Yard Small Area Plan, the area comprises a 69-acre site currently owned by CPYR, Inc., a Delaware company. City Council approved the rezoning of the existing Potomac Yard Retail Center, located within the North Potomac Yard planning area, to include up to 7.5 million square feet of development. This new plan would replace the existing 600,000 square foot retail center that currently includes businesses such as Target, Best Buy, Regal Cinema, and Shoppers Food Warehouse. This rezoning is vital to the subsequent approval of a new Metrorail Station.”

            The Alexandria City Council approved the rezoning plan on June 12, 2010. Target’s days are numbered.

          • Stu Pendus

            Yeah, that’s actually been kind of well known for a while. That whole shopping center will be kaput.

        • WalmartSucks

          pop into Shirlington for vittles? I’m not sure what Walmarts you visit, but all the ones I’ve seen attract clientele who don’t look the kind to go to Shirlington for vittles. What the hell is vittles anyway? Tender Vittles? Yea Walmart has catfood. If they go to Shirlington to eat, it will probably be the Subway or Harris Teeter sub line. After we put in a Walmart, let’s not forget McDonald’s, Kentucky Fried Chicken and Taco Hell. We don’t need a WALMART here, we’re just fine having the fallout from 3 Targets on our border. If we wanted a WALMART and all the crap that comes with it, we’d be living in Prince William County.

      • BrownFlipFlops

        You’re citing the study paid for by the Woods Fund of Chicago? The Woods Fund of Chicago that has Bill Ayers on its board? I have a hard time trusting a guy like that to say, “Let’s gather the evidence, and just let it lead us to the truth, no matter what it turns out to be.”

        By way of analogy, it’s possible Phillip Morris could have paid for some good research on tobacco, but is it likely? The organization that paid for the Wal Mart research is hardly impartial.

        Respectdc.org cherry-picked the quote, “From the point of view of workers, Wal-Mart’s opening was close to a wash.” I’ll cherry-pick one from the executive summary of the actual study. “There is considerable uncertainty attached to these calculations. However, they suggest… (the conclusions of the study).” Oh, really? This is followed immediately by, “There was no evidence from the sample that stores remaining in business suffered employment losses.”

        The folks who did the study gathered most of their data from a phone survey. Of 503 businesses they identified, 326 either refused to participate, or were not contacted. The authors drew their own conclusions about those 326 through later iterations. The details are on pg. 35 of the paper.

        When I read this paper, I don’t say, “Wow. This is some impartial, solid, statistical work, based upon really good data.” I see an organization at Loyola University that has a defined perspective on economics and justice doing a fairly sloppy paper to support the beliefs they had going in, while taking funding from an organization that is highly politicized.

        The hypothesis that Wal Mart destroys small businesses is still plausible. That hypothesis is not proven by this work, however. It would be irresponsible to allow, “Wal Mart job growth is a wash,” to become an oft-quoted old saw, based upon this evidence alone.

        • samsonite

          Sure beats nothing, huh?

          I’m perfectly happy with simply stipulating that there is no evidence that Walmart creates new jobs in a given area. Works for me.

          • Phil

            No, actually it’s worse than nothing. It’s misleading because it purports to draw a conclusion when it really doesn’t. Even you used it as solid evidence, which it is not.

    • Josh S

      LOOOVE the use of “family folks.” What kind of twisted euphemism is that??!?!

  • LandOfTheFree

    Expression of your opinion of what should occur on private property is fine and welcome in a free society. However, it is up to the property owner to decide what to do with a property within the constraints of the zoning ordinances. I see this as nothing more than a power grab by the Arlington County Board to limit property owner’s freedoms for by-right developments.

    • Lee-n-Glebe

      Bah. Private property rights are soooo 1776.

      • samsonite

        Property rights have never been absolute, not even in 1776.

        • Jim

          This would be awesome. that area is a complete eyesore. it could bring in some good revenue to the county and provide some more options. i live in the area (Nauck) – and could definitely see how this development could jumpstart development in Nauck (which definitely needs it.

    • ArlForester

      Just more of that liberal mindset where they don’t want the government to step on their rights unless they are the government doing the stepping.

    • charlie

      exactly.
      and ALL property owners are now subject to this.
      So, BLUEMONT people, forget about your Safeway being redeveloped. If this passes that won’t.

    • John Snyder

      How inspiring. Of course they can do what they want, as long as they don’t tap into public water, public sewer, public roads, etc. Since they want to use my resources (as a resident of Arlington) they have to provide a workable plan to deal with things like traffic. That is what the board action, to consider requiring a use permit (like other major developments) to make sure the development does not cause major problems.

  • RJ

    So many moronic comments to address, so little time! I’ll condense and consolidate my responses:
    1) If there is consumer demand for Wal-Mart, it is far preferable to the blighted “industrial” uses in that area now.
    2) Not allowing a Wal-Mart due to opposition to their legal labor practices is discriminatory.
    3) There may be preferable alternatives to Wal-Mart in that location, but “preferable” is a matter of personal taste/choice. Some peole like Wal-Mart, some don’t. Don’t tell me I can’t have something I want just because you don’t like it.

    • samsonite

      “Discriminatory?” Of course it is–to make a choice is to discriminate. But it’s perfectly legal and ethical.

      “Don’t tell me I can’t have something I want just because you don’t like it.”

      Well, that works only up to a point, because what you want may interfere with what I want. It’s not just a matter of opposing Walmart because someone would never shop there.

  • V Dizzle

    Walmart can suck it. There’s already one in Kingstowne. Nuff said.

    • G

      That Walmart is such a pain to drive to. Getting there by public transport is probably awful.

      • Tapeworm

        There are also two Wal-Marts on Route 1 between Old Town and Mt. Vernon. Plus the Target on Skyline and the one at Potomac Yard right around the corner from this site (and of course route 50). I’m not sure how they can make enough money at this site.

  • ArlForester

    I am sick of posting things that don’t show up. This filter is ridiculous. Nothing I have posted was offensive.

    • Scott

      yeah I agree. you’ve only a dozen or so posts on this article.

      • FrenchyB

        Snap!

      • ArlForester

        We get it, Scott. You read everything and are the arbiter of who can post and who can’t. Your multiple posts on the subject are there for us to read and ignore.

    • V Dizzle

      Bets on the next ban? I’m only aware of one in the last year or so.

  • charlie

    it is interesting that all the people say we have a Target. We don’t. Arlington residents spend all their money in Fairfax or Alexandria when they go to Target.
    Arlington is also home to the car-free diet. It is very hard to get to PYard by public transit (the bus service is a farce) and the bus from Ballston is four LONG blocks from Target in Bailey’s. If you do not have a car you cannot shop at a discount store.
    And what about jobs? Sure there are chronically under-employed in Arlington, but what about those who want part time work for extra money but don’t want to be a waiter at a cupake-pizza-brown-flip-flops only restaurant in the 22201?

    • Goober

      They could open a food truck?

    • samsonite

      We don’t want people to shop at discount stores in the county, we want to have the high-class, expensive stuff and let other jurisdictions have the discount stores – we make more revenue that way.

    • Maria

      Unless they changed it in the last 2 years, at least one of the 25 buses to/from Ballston has a stop right outside the Skyline Target.

      • charlie

        that is weird. i’ve been on the 25 bus this year and it does NOT go down leesburg pike. it goes thru that apartment building and then turns around and goes back to Seminary then to Carlin Springs. that is really weird.

        • WalmartSucks

          OH NO, you might have to actually WALK a block or two, I hope you don’t calice your feet!

          • charlie

            if i’m buying a 24 pack of toilet paper and a 50 lb detergent, which is the best price at target, every foot counts.

        • Maria

          There are different 25 buses. I just checked Metro trip planner, and it looks like at least 25A and 25B both stop at Leesburg Pike and S. George Mason Drive.

  • KalashniKEV

    I love Walmart but Shirlington is too far away. I’d like to see one at the former Dremo’s site… or an urban format Target at least.

    I’m a busy guy and don’t have time for the butcher, baker, and candlestick maker, or the 18th century patterns of life the rest of you guys seem to love.

    • Wheelwright Local #423

      That’s it, buddy. We’re comin’ after you.

    • samsonite

      Yet you embrace a 20th century pattern. Join the 21st century, dude.

      • Lurker

        You tell him!

        Wait . . . what?

        • samsonite

          20th century, the outdated era of nothing but highways and cars. It’s over.

          • KalashniKEV

            I’ll bet you own a Segway, you innovator. lol

          • samsonite

            Have fun in traffic, old-timer.

          • Josh S

            Kevvie is a lot of things, but old he ain’t.

    • Vicente Fox

      But isn’t it conservatives who want an 18th century existence with their “originalism”?

  • MollywopWalmart

    Walmart=Trash. Please, for my love of Shirlington, no. Develop that area, sure, but not with a Walmart.

  • MoneySpender

    I think I read somewhere that the Target at Potomac Yards is their highest volume, or “best performing” store in the country.

    This Walmart could become a similar story. It could be hugely successful given the location.

    There will be back and forths and concessions, like with Trader Joes and their free parking and just typical stuff.

    Big picture, it will be a great success story.

    • Josh S

      Depends on how you define “success.” I’m sure Walmart management and shareholders would be quite pleased. Whether it contributes or detracts from life in Arlington is very much in doubt.

      I’d be very surprised if the Target in Potomac Yards is their best performing store in the country. Maybe highest average purchase amount?

      • RE Guy

        Sales per foot, most likely.

  • Just say no

    I live down the road- 10 min walk from Shirlington Village- and at first I thought “no no no no no no no no no no no no no”. And then I paused, and thought “well, if they do make it an “urbanized Walmart, with an incredibly small footprint to include a parking garage (because we don’t need a giant parking lot)- then well, maybe it wouldn’t be so bad. But then I splashed water on my face realized what I really meant was “NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO”. There is no demand for a Walmart in the area. Zero.

    • Guy Who Sometimes Guesses

      “There is no demand for a Walmart in the area. Zero.”

      I’m just guessing that, if Walmart actually has interest in the site, their exhaustive economic and demographic analysis disagrees with you.

  • http://arlingtondirt.blogspot.com/2010/12/county-board-watch.html TGEoA

    Wegmans is non union. Stop shopping there hypocrite.

    • ArlForester

      But they “like” Wegmans so it’s ok. It goes into the pile with Trader Joe’s and Starbucks as giant. blood sucking corporations that are acceptable to hypocrites.

  • Ballston Walmart

    Perhaps there’s a better location in Ballston. It seems that there are enough people here that think it’s a good idea to provide jobs for part-timers and to increase tax revenue from people that drive to Potomac Yard/Skyline/Seven Corners. I believe there was a forum here about a vacant lot near Ballston which would be perfect. Walmart could put its store there, where road infrastructure in a grid is able to support it, where there is a much higher population density, and where more people are less likely to have cars and would need to be able to walk to it or even take the metro part of the way! WOOHOO! BALLSTON for WALMART!

    • Meem

      I don’t think that would work. You would get the condo/apt dwellers to buy smaller items, but you would not have the SFH people shopping there, because they will only drive–and Ballston’s parking garage is too much of a PITA. They’ll continue to go to Target. I don’t think a WM could survive on the apt/condo people alone. Could be wrong.

      Also, the rent would be super high there.

    • novanglus

      JC Penney pulled out of Ballston (the current Macy’s Furniture and Bailey’s Pub building) and Landmark because the demographics there didn’t support their business model. Wal-mart goes after an even poorer demographic. I don’t know how they’d survive there except at the expense of other businesses.

      • Westover

        Bad example, JC Penney pretty much died across the country on its own. It was not limited toLandmark and Ballston.

  • Rosslynite

    Maybe it will be one of those Walmarts that sells guns. We can all get behind supporting that, can’t we?

    • FrenchyB

      I think the issue at hand here is that the existing roads around this site cannot support the traffic volume that a big-box retailer would bring on a daily basis. As it currently stands, Shirlington Road would be the only access point, and the two adjacent interchanges with 395 are already choke points.

      • FrenchyB

        BTW, I didn’t mean to post this as a response to your comment, Rosslynite.

      • samsonite

        And that’s before BRAC.

    • steve85

      Who would want a store near us that sells that. Awful comment

    • gonzo

      That’s one reason not to build it. We don need stores around here that sells items like that. As last check we like in an urban area. No need for them

    • Burger

      How about one that sells guns and liquor. We could only hope VA would change its silly ABC store requirements.

      • Lou

        Zimmerman’s head would explode.

      • KalashniKEV

        All Walmarts sell Guns, Ammunition, and Alcohol in addition to Food and Clothing. It’s one stop shopping. That’s what has made them so great.

  • NO
    • WalmartSucks

      +1,000,000

  • Arlwhenever

    And by the way, Arlington County’s sneaky tactics and regulatory creep on this send a very big message to the business community on how not business friendly Arlington is — will not go unnoticed.

    • Chris Slatt

      Yes, how dare the County Board sneakily vote to place an ad in the newspaper!

      • Arlwhenever

        You would have a different view if the County snuck in a notice to regulate/prohibit dance studios.

        • Chris Slatt

          Dance Studios already require a Special Use Permit to open, which is the same thing this zoning ordinance would require for large commercial developments.

          • Arlwhenever

            And I am sure all the little girls show up and say please don’t open the dance studio, it’s going to destroy my life. But those poor hispanic kids who don’t have anyone speaking for them, they need for their parents to have low cost shopping opportunities. Arlington embraces diversity, so long as you don’t shop here and can afford ballet classes. Whoop de whoop!

      • PhilL

        What’s a newspaper?

    • EPinBC

      Don’t think it will make a difference. Arlington is VERY friendly to business, just not THIS business.

    • John Snyder

      Sneaky, public vote on advertising a potential policy change? What is sneaky is attacking someone’s integrity without using your real name. That has not gone un-noticed.

      • Arlwhenever

        Have to wonder why a private citizen gets so upset about another private citizen exercising consitutionally protected rights to criticize elected officials and government bodies.

  • amber girl

    Shirlington girl spoke for every last one of you in Arlington, you dont want a walmart because of the people it would bring in. Arlington residents are so disgusting with there discrimating ways., they all think they are better than other jurisdictions and everyone knows it.

    • samsonite

      I am the only one who speaks for myself.

      • samsonite

        Are you sure about that?

        • mehoo

          Yes, I’m sure.

          • samsonite

            You win this round, gentlemen. Just wait, though, I’ll be back.

      • ArlForester

        Not if you’re in a union. Then you need someone else to speak for you. Thanks for setting that one up on a tee.

    • V Dizzle

      All those that vote to ban Amber Girl from the new Arlington Walmart, say ‘aye’. :)

      Nope, my problem with Walmart is the effect it has on small businesses, including the minority owned ones (since you’re implying people in Arlington are somehow uniformily discriminating). I’m not going to bother reading the backstory to your myopic statement.

  • EPinBC

    I’m not a big fan of Walmart (or shopping in general, for that matter) but it does seem snobbish for jurisdictions to go through all these gyrations to keep out a particular store. I say let the free market speak. If we truly don’t want a Walmart then don’t shop there and let the store fail. If it succeeds then, guess what, we really did want it.

    • Biznitz

      The problem with that is that people from OTHER jurisdictions, who would not want a Walmart near their own homes, may shop there.

      There are surely people in much of DC who don’t want a Walmart, auto mechanics, liquor stores, etc., near their homes–and I don’t blame them. That’s what dumpy areas of the region (like much of Faifax county) are for. The businesses get low rents, and their customers get access to them but don’t have to have them nearby, giving the place a low-rent feel.

      • Biznitz

        PS: I also want places that incarcerate our criminals, dispose of our garbage, process our sewage, and shelter our homeless–but i will (and have) paid good money not to live near them. If living near those thigns doesnt bother you, then you get to pay less for your housing. Nothing unfair about this setup.

        Not too different from people who are OK with living on a busy road paying less than they woudl for an identical house on a quiet street.

      • EPinBC

        I hear you. I just find the attitude distasteful. I’d rather see the county work to address specific concerns than take what feels to me like a sneaky approach to one particular business or type of business. The area is already about as dumpy as it can get. I’d definitely like to see it improved. Is a Walmart that incompatible with this goal or could it be accomplished with existing zoning ordinances or by working with the business? Maybe I’m being naive, it just seems the county has been successful in the past working with businesses.

      • John Fontain

        “The problem with that is that people from OTHER jurisdictions”

        DC is getting 4 WalMarts. Every other local county already has their own Walmart. It doesn’t make sense to think those people will now drive to Arlington to come to our WalMart.

  • MC

    I agree this is a depressing patch of Arlington, but it makes little sense to replace it with something that’s also depressing. I can’t think of a big box store (even mini versioned) that isn’t stark, garish, over-lit and smells of Chinese-manufacturered plastic and rubber — it’s what you get when the point of the store is everyday low prices and nothing more.

  • JenLynn

    I really hope this doesn’t go through. Not only will it create loads of traffic problems but that is really not what I want to see out of my windows morning, noon, and night.

    • gonzo

      Any new building that come will bring in traffic. Why do everybody complain when some new comes along the first thing they complain about is traffic. That what a business do it needs people to come there. Its no different when they build new homes new traffic is always going to occur

    • Clarendude
  • 10B

    I have always wondered what was inside that boarded up brick building that faces 395 (now an overflow lot for car dealership).

    Thought it might be some cool, CIA fortress or underground cupcakery.

    • http://www.arlnow.com ARLnow.com

      If it’s the one I’m thinking of, it might have been used by Washington Gas or another utility.

  • Hattie McDaniel

    What almost no one outside the world of Wal-Mart and its 21,000 suppliers knows is the high cost of those low prices. Wal-Mart has the power to squeeze profit-killing concessions from vendors. To survive in the face of its pricing demands, makers of everything from bras to bicycles to blue jeans have had to lay off employees and close U.S. plants in favor of outsourcing products from overseas.

    Of course, U.S. companies have been moving jobs offshore for decades, long before Wal-Mart was a retailing power. But there is no question that the chain is helping accelerate the loss of American jobs to low-wage countries such as China. Nearly 10% of all Chinese exports to the United States are to Wal-Mart..

    • WalmartSucks

      +1 Million, thank you!

    • John Fontain

      “To survive in the face of its pricing demands, makers of everything from bras to bicycles to blue jeans have had to lay off employees and close U.S. plants in favor of outsourcing products from overseas.”

      Absent demands from retailers, consumer products companies wouldn’t look to source their products from the lowest cost providers? Even to keep the margin differential for themselves?

  • novanglus

    “Its no different when they build new homes new traffic is always going to occur”

    The number of trips in-and-out of a residential development is much lower than a retail development of the same size.

    A mixed use, transit-oriented development brings much less traffic than either.

    Also, the site plan process (which this advertisement would force the development to go through) would allow the board to include traffic mitigation strategies as part of the plan. A C-1 by-right development would force the increased traffic onto the existing roads.

    • charlie

      if a property is zoned C-1, wouldn’t it be fair to say that the infrastructure (roads, sewer, schools) are already in place to accommodate the density and uses allowed by the existing zoning?

      • cj

        The Shirlington site isn’t zoned C-1. It’s one of the largest sites in the county still zoned for industrial uses, which include light manufacturing, warehouses and the like, in addition to the less grubby retail and commercial uses allowed in C-1 and C-2.

    • gonzo

      That was the point that I was trying to make anything new will bring new traffic to the location. But I like what u said.

  • samsonite

    200+ comments and nobody has used “NIMBY” yet.

    • KalashniKEV

      That’s because it would be a great addition.

      • BerryBerryCold

        Agreed. Arlington could use a Walmart.

    • Rick

      thats because no one lives in front of it

  • Runaway Train

    I live within walking distance. This property is way overdue for development. To those stating there is no demand for a Walmart, you’re way off. This site would be a goldmine for Walmart. Residents from Baileys, Skyline, Annandale will turn Shirlington Rd and S Four Mile Run Dr. into gridlock.

    While I am not making an endorsement for another Trader Joe’s or Whole Foods, both would be a better suited for this site. Both have stores in close proximity, but not in S. Arlington that would deflect some of the traffic.

    It lacks the wow factor many are looking for, but the property would be a great site for a hotel. The Hilton Garden Inn in Shirlington has had many “No Vacancy” nights since it opened last year. I can’t recall a traffic jam from a hotel going in.

    Although, with it being so close to 395, it would be a perfect site for a, wait for it…, Cracker Barrel!

    • buckey09

      I live in Shirlington along Arlington Mill Drive and the traffic a Wal-Mart would attract concerns me. Something does need to be done with that site though. Would love to see a little bit of green space, but who knows if that’s even possible on that plot of ground. Too bad Fresh Market isn’t in this area; that would be nice..

    • All Aboard

      You know, a hotel would be great. So many plusses: lots of taxes that business travelers can’t negotiate their way out of; few cars to add to the traffic; plenty of low-wage jobs–brilliant!

      It actually would not be bad for hotel guests. They would have (from the upper floors) decent views of the Masonic Temple, maybe even the Washington Monument (if Potomac Tard isn’t blocking it). Not overly far from the Metro either; they could build a bridge across Route 1 or use shuttle buses.

      • Lou

        How about a hotel with ground-floor retail?

        • Hmmm

          I don’t know. How much retail do we really need? And can retail stores that are not outlets or big-box discounters (which I’m assuming is not what you had in mind) really survive anymore? If “retail” means a restaurant, maybe–but if it means fashion boutique or gourmet food store, it’ll tank.

          • Lou

            No, I was actually thinking of a hotel with a ground-floor Walmart. Kind of like a Hyper-Hotel-Mart.

            I’m probably the only one posting here who has been in an authentic Hypermart, somewhat ironically in Arlington, Texas. That store was RIDICULOUS.

          • Hmmm

            I wonder what kind of hotel would be atop a WalMart. What kind of guests would that appeal to?

            That said, I can see it being a draw for the freakshow appeal.
            Maybe the hotel could have one-way glass so that the hotel guests could view the tattooed and tank-topped mulleted masses plodding the linoleum below. Like a fusion of a police interrogation room and a glass-bottomed boat.

  • Chad
    • Chad

      This was meant to be a reply to Hattie McDaniel’s comment above.

      =/

  • Arlingtonian

    Have any of you watched the Walmart documentary (The High Cost of Low Price)?

    • Arlingtonian

      Well, looks like Chad has. LOL

      • Chad

        Great timing =P

  • charlie

    here is what the Walmart in Tysons is proposed to look like.
    It actually looks nicer than most buildings in Arlington.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/rllayman/5715740399/

    oh here is the DC one
    http://dc.urbanturf.com/images/blog/2010/11/walmart_rendering.JPG

    the picture on the top is proposed DC store
    the picture on the bottom is proposed Tysons store
    these are not my pictures.

  • Bluemontsince1961

    264 comments as of 3:46 p.m. Has to be a record number of comments for a post.

  • Anon

    I live about a mile from there, and I would LOVE to have a Wal-Mart in Shirlington, and I hope it has groceries too. Wal-Mart is one of the best anti-poverty tools we have in this country!

    You say: Wal-Mart sells junk.
    Ridiculous. They carry the same stuff as Target and the grocery stores! So a Swiffer from Wal-Mart is low quality compared to a Swiffer from Target? I don’t think so.

    You say: You don’t want “that clientele” coming to a Wal-Mart.
    That’s elitist and classist.

    • KalashniKEV

      You missed the, “exporting jobs” comment.

      Like… if all towels weren’t made in China we’d all gladly have our cousins and siblings happily employed in towel factories, making big cash with fat union benefits.

      (That’s why towels are Made in China!)

      • SamsontheCat

        Good idea! Let’s use the space to build the Shirlington Towel Factory. Shirlingtowels? Towelington?

    • yrb

      > Wal-Mart is one of the best anti-poverty tools we have in this country!

      Walmart creates poverty, its their strategy – create poor people who can only shop at Walmart, by paying low wages and destroying local businesses. It’s a known fact that they could pay more and provide better benefits without affecting prices or their bottom line in any significant way, BUT THEY DON’T. THEY NEED POVERTY. THEY CREATE POVERTY. THEY DESTROY AMERICA.

      • Malthus

        It’s the shape of things to come. Poverty, that is.

      • yrb

        Also, cheap dvd players don’t help people get out of poverty, people need health care, education, and jobs, good jobs.

      • http://www.arlnow.com ARLnow.com

        Comment edited. Please refrain from personal attacks.

      • The Native

        I’m sorry I couldn’t hear what you said could you use more caps?

    • Hattie McDaniel

      Wal-Mart is one of the best anti-poverty tools we have in this country!

      Is that why their employees have to live off food stamps and medicaid?

  • Juke Jointer

    Wow — can’t believe all the comments. Other than traffic, I see no reason to oppose Wal-Mart. Their labor practices, as long as they’re legal, are between them and their employees. Government shouldn’t reward — or punish — businesses based on whether they’re unionized or not. Personally, I like Target, and I’ll keeping going to one at Seven Corners to keep buying slacks and belts that wear out in a few months.

    • KalashniKEV

      Haha… a few months?

      What are you like… doing Martial Arts in them or something???

    • yrb

      Government should do whatever we tell it to do. And as an Arlington resident I say that there will be no Walmart in Arlington, period. The board should do whatever it takes to keep the freaking bastards out.

      • Kalashnikev

        Sorry homey, Government has no business shutting out a particular business because they just don’t like them. It’s a perversion of the market.

        This Walmart will be built and business will be BOOMING. I know I’ll be in there buying $10 Brown Flip Flops and cheap beer, reasonably priced groceries, and ammo.

      • The Native

        I think it is called a Republic. Maybe you should get back to Political Sci. 101. You lose.

  • Wayne Kubicki

    To borrow a phrase, “Follow the money.” Anyone know who owns the site in question?

    • cj

      The listed owner of the so-called Rosenthal site, roughly 4.6 acres, is Cars-DBI LLC, 8270 Greensboro Dr. Suite 950, McLean VA. That doesn’t fully answer your question but it may be a start.

  • 4Arl

    From the county board’s own meeting procedures: “Any Board member desiring to add additional items to the proposed agenda must submit them to the Chairman and make them known by eight days before the meeting.” So much for the Sunny Award given to the county.

  • Thomas Carlyle

    Why don’t the people who care about “affordable housing” also care about “affordable shopping”? Shouldn’t hard-working Arlingtonians be able to do their affordable shopping right here in Arlington, rather than driving to the outer suburbs to meet their big-box needs?

    • Uhhh…

      Wait a minute–Costco and Goodwill aren’t affordable? Both are in Arlington. Oh, let me guess: You think the working poor must travel to said shops by rail, right? Because both of those are on a bus line.

      And of course, there’s also Target, Marshalls, TJ Maxx, Kohls, and BJs–all in the distant, far-flung exurb of Falls Church.

      Also, have you looked around and seen how many poor Arlingtonians own cars? Seems like most of them to me.

      But why do we care where people shop? I’d love it if Arlington were literally a bedroom community; it would be so much quieter. As it is, I’m very happy doing almost no shopping here.

      Yeah, I know the County wants the sales-tax dollars–but until they quit blowing a quarter mil on art galleries and another however much on a planetarium, screw ‘em. They’re gonna raise my assessment anyway, so why bother?

  • LEB

    That site has been an eyesore for 35 years. But WalMart is the wrong answer.

    There is a WalMart 10 or 15 minutes away in Kingstowne. As others wrote, there are Target and Costco within 10 minutes of the site. If Walmart wants to come to the area, then the commercial strip along Rt 7 is appropriate. How about 7 Corners area?

    WalMart would go the exact opposite direction from Arlington’s developments in Shirlington and plans for Columbia Pike, Pentagon City, and Crystal City. It clashes with the retail style of nearby neighborhoods.

    Forced union membership has nothing to do with the objection. Every state from here south has right-to-work laws, generally supported by both parties. Those laws and air conditioning brought the South out of a century of poverty. If one feels strong about forced union membership, they can move to rust belt points north that lost businesses to the right-to-work South. It’s a bad idea for our region of the country.

    • 22204

      10-15 minutes away? More like 30.

    • samsonite

      Well, um, maybe right-to-work laws brought the South jobs, but it has also brought them an average of about $5,000 less in wages per worker.

      If all states had the same labor laws instead of competing with each other for which can treat workers worse, maybe all states would have their share of good, decent-paying jobs.

      • Sam

        I think you’ve got that backwards. More jobs would be overseas.

  • Thomas Carlyle

    Funny, there is “affordable housing” in those other areas, too. And yet it is considered politically unacceptable to say that those who can’t afford to live in Arlington should just move to 7 Corners.

    • Not by me

      They wouldn’t have to live elsewhere if the County quit letting developers tear down drab buy affordable apartment complexes to replace them with the usual pricey condos and chain stores.

      But I don’t see why everyone should be able to live in Arlington. It’s all one region. And now that transit has been forced on all of us, there’s no reason poeple can’t live in DC or Nauck or Halls Hill or 7 Corners and commute to their jobs in the more affluent areas. In fact, that’s what usually happens, and it seems to keep everyone basically happy.

      • The Native

        And while we are at it why don’t we require them to ‘voluntairly’ contribute to Metro, and the low income housing fund… Oh, wait, it is because it is neither legal or voluntary. It is called capitalism. Lower priced properties becomer higher priced as demand goes up.

  • dpj0122

    So is this the same board that has sold out to the real estate developers and want to turn Columbia Pike into Rosslyn? And now they want to jerk Walmart around? What morons…….

    • John Snyder

      Are you talking about the WalMart board? The Arlington County Board has not plans to turn Columbia Pike into Rosslyn, and neither does anybody else.

      • charlie

        john, wake up. they Z-trolley has to be paid for. and the only way to pay for it is density bonus on Columbia Pike.

      • Arlwhenever

        Right about not turning Columbia Pike in Rosslyn — it will be worse. At least at Rosslyn the rail is below ground, not running down the middle of the street blocking traffic.

        • Josh S

          A density bonus is a far cry from Rosslyn. Besides, Columbia Pike is a thoroughfare, not a neighborhood, so comparisons to Rosslyn are apples and oranges.

          As far as blocking traffic – I just don’t understand why people continue to believe that our transportation network’s purpose is to move automobiles. Its purpose is to move people. As you fume alone in your car, raising your blood pressure and cutting years off your life, the trolley will trundle by, filled with 40-50 people getting calmly to their destination. Not saying you have to get out of your car, but to complain about the existence of the trolley will be quite selfish.

  • Alexandrian

    Your comments are making me happier and happier that I live in Alexandria. And you say we develop too much…

    Walmart is a poverty pimp, and a domestic jobs killer.

    • The Native

      I would argue but you are from Alexandria, so I already pitty you.

  • Shirlingtonguy

    As a Shirlington Village resident and property owner, I’d love to have them next door. Citing the Target at Skyline or the Wal-Mart at Kingstowne misses the point. (And whoever said you can drive from Shirlington to Kingstowne in 15 minutes is crazy. Maybe during the most off peak times, but not usually.)

    The point is that a livable urban community should not require one to get in car even to drive to Skyline. The plethora of restaurants and boutique women’s clothing stores in Shirlington don’t come close to filling the need for everyday shopping.

    A Walmart would do much to eliminate the need to drive for a good radius around the store and would very much compliment the very limited shopping mix now available to Shirlington residents.

    Bring ‘em on. It will make our life much better.

    • 22204

      AMEN!!! I get so tired of having to drive 15-20 min to get to decent shopping in Seven Corners, Bailey’s Crossroads, Rt. 1, etc. I think the County is really misguided not supporting big box stores within the county boundaries.

  • Tom Bailey

    WalMart in Shirlington . . . Wow, NO WAY. . . too much traffic for this little comminuty

  • Rick

    A few points for everyone:

    -You cant build a hotel for the sake of building it, there has to be something to do near it for it to be full and make money.

    -Wegmans will not come to Arlington, especially that part of Arlington, because it’s not that great to begin with (lets not kid ourselves). The area is making improvements but if you look at every other Wegmans in VA they are in nice neighborhoods. If they scrubbed out the rest of the industrial area along 395 and there was new development, perhaps they might be interested.

    -The county would make significant amounts of money through sales tax, especially if they stuff a McDonalds/Subway/Dunkin Donuts/random franchise in the front, they would get meals tax revenue as well. Don’t believe me? http://www.tax.virginia.gov/site.cfm?alias=salesusetax

    -Last time I checked, the unemployment rate wasn’t 0.

    -They don’t pay their employees “market value”… there are only 25 people that live in Arlington that get paid “market value” and they all work on the 8th level of the ballston garage. Every one of you thinks they get underpaid and would want more money. Myself included.

    -Dan Snyder owns Johnny Rockets. Despite everyone hating him that place still does pretty good, does it not Shirlington frequenters?

    -If you don’t like it, don’t go?

    • Biznitz

      Rick: The hotel *is* near something of interest–the District of Columbia. Not as close as other hotels, but that doesn’t stop all the people (mostly tourists) staying at the Comfort Inn atop Sangam at the I-66 overpass. It’s near nothing to speak of–and Ballston Mall does not count.

      I don’t understand your “market value” comment. 8th floor of Ballston–you mean the Caps? And obviously all the lawyers, lobbyists, etc., get paid a ton, so if that ain’t market value, then close enough!

      • Rick

        It *is* not near easy transit to get right into DC though. It is near a highway but the hotel (and other hotels) you speak of in Ballston are successful because there is a metro station nearby. It’s probably what keeps the econo lodge in east falls church in business.

        And yes I mean the Capitals. The point is everyone thinks they deserve to make more money and a lot of the complaints were about worker wages… EVERYONE wants more money and most everyone deserves it. It’s a bad argument

        • Vinh An Nguyen

          Yes, successful due to the ‘transit forced on us’.

  • Suburban Not Urban

    Here’s a funny idea – lets take a site intended for industrial use – and get a business that actually makes something on the site. Things like this tend to generate good tax revenue, employ people and employee’s spend money in surrounding businesses, which generates more tax dollars.

    As to folks worrying about Walmart killing small business jobs. The county policies have a far more regressive effect on this with it’s policy of ulta-high density(code word mixed-use dev) which replace simple commercial space with high rises that require crazy high rents to be viable resulting in our current chain food and cupcakes economy – pushing all the nuts and bolts needed businesses out.

    • The Native

      Industrial use. Like all the steel mills in Arlington. I think the intent was more commercial than industrial.

      • Sam

        Lots of commenters seem to be under the illusion that they, or the County, can determine the exact use of a property transferred among private citizens / entities. Aside from general zoning requirements, and apparently certain specifically-targeted zoning requirements, this is obviously not the case. The County can dictate what cannot be done somewhere, but not what specifically can be done there.

        Much to many peoples’ chagrin, the County simply cannot say “put a carwash there”, or “put a Wegmans there”. We do not live in Orange County, CA – where the Irvine Companies (note: NOT the County board) owns the land and controls development.

  • LIAM

    Have any of you Walmart haters ever shopped at a Walmart? It’s nice to buy a tube of Colgate toothpaste for 98 cents that costs $3.98 at CVS and $3.50 at Target. You can buy motor oil for half what it costs at an auto parts store. Over the counter medications and some prescriptions are less than half what they cost at CVS or Rite Aid. Walmart is great, and the less money you have, the more it helps you. It will create a lot of jobs and save consumers a ton of money. So maybe it puts a CVS out of business. That’s what they deserve for overcharging people.

    • Furious George

      I agree, it helps build your wealth because you spend less money and have more money to save. Anybody who pays more is a moron.

    • Erin

      I have shopped at Walmart and the stores are usually so filthy, the lines are long and people are so rude that I leave without purchasing anything. Just buy stuff online and watch for sales to save money.

  • Truthi

    Ah the true Arlington Way. We have the board approve things that are not on the agenda so the public can’t comment on them.

    Go Walmart!

    Now I won’t have to go to Fairfax to buy things

    • timo

      Team County Board.

    • Thes

      Well, what “thing” did the Board “approve” that was not on the agenda? A newspaper advertisement. To let the public comment for a few months on something the Board *may* do later.

      Go Board!

      Now we won’t have Walmart bringing hundreds of extra car trips a day through our streets without a community discussion.

  • I got that PMA

    Idiocracy, Alive & Well in Arlington

  • Rick

    NO to Wal-mart. They destroy small businesses!

    • Rick

      We can’t have two ricks with two different opinions. Change your name. Please and thank you.

      • Hmmm

        Rick Ocasek or Rick Astley. Pick one, each of youse.

        • Hmmm

          That still leaves you and me though.

  • timo

    for many, many reasons this is a terrible location for this store.

    a.) it’s right next to the W&OD / 4 mile run trails. A store there, any store, will make traversing that locality by bike or foot infinitely more dangerous.

    b.) Those on / off ramps to Glebe and Shirlington exits from 395 are already crowded as is. Think about that left lane on-ramp from S. Glebe to 395. You’re going to add more cars there? Really?

    c.) a Walmart? Seriously? Is that really what Shirlington / Green Valley is in desperate need of? A Walmart?

    • We fear change

      a.) Spurious
      b.) Not really
      c.) Yes.

      d.) Quit being… Well you, I guess.

  • I got that PMA

    Arlington’s future. condos, chain stores and pizza places.

  • Westover

    As long as thy have a decent transportation plan in and out of the lot, I have ZERO problem with WalMart setting up shop there.

    • timo

      describe “decent transportation plan.”

      how about “a transportation plan?”

      ..because I’m guessing they don’t intend to have either and will lean on the county to provide.

      • Thes

        Timo, you probably have hit the nail on the head here. Unless the County Board acts soon, WalMart could well be able just to build a gigantic store and let the County and state worry about how to handle the traffic on the taxpayer’s dime. If the Board changes the zoning to require WalMart to negotiate, then WalMart will have to configure its operation to make the traffic burden as low as possible, and perhaps contribute to the road and bus infrastructure needed to service it.

        • Rick

          Even if wal mart pays for improvements, public works will still screw it up

          • Westover

            WalMart usually takes care of the intersections near their stores pretty well actually. They know if the place is not convienent, the customers will not come.

        • Arlwhenever

          The four lane section of Shirlington Road in front of the potential Walmart site carries very little traffic. When the location drew in thousands of customers daily for the annual Washington Golf Tent Sales, even then, traffic moved smoothly without so much as a turn lane or a traffic signal at the entrance (both of which Walmart would put in without any prodding).

          The traffic issue is basically a red herring — the Walmart won’t draw in nearly as much traffic as will new development along Columbia Pike that the Board will be authorizing subsequent to its charades — I mean charettes. Yet the Columbia Pike development interests are getting free rides on infrastrucuture development and receiving taxpayer subsidies for amenities that are being built for their benefit.

  • Woodstock

    As someone who lives in Shirlington and passes by that ugly stretch of industrial wasteland on I-395 to get to my home, I am appalled. Arlington County instead of embracing that a major retailer who would bring jobs, tax revenues and clean up that horrible site are trying to prevent Walmart from coming……..Knock it off!

    • ZoningVictim

      As samsonite already pointed out, Wal-Mart does not tend to bring in new jobs.

      • American Tourister

        Samsonite claimed it, but “pointed out” nothing other than a wildly inconclusive study.

  • Edgar99

    Reason 4,511 for Arlington to be annexed into Fairfax: Mindless gentry liberal snobbery overrides all policy considerations.

  • I got that PMA

    The Klan on this site, would love to have a Walmart in Arlington. But, you don’t want low income people living or shopping in Arlington. So, you want all the workers at Walmart to move to Woodbridge or PG County and commute to Arlington? I’m sure, you don’t want to see them, when you come home from work. Maybe, Walmart can build Chinese style worker dormitories, behind the store. You will not see them at all, walking around Arlington!! I’m sure, that sounds great to some of the people on here.

  • RM

    No to a Wal-Mart. It sterilizes the surrounding area.

    • Germophobe

      Yaaay!!

  • John Fontain

    I whole-heartedly support a WalMart at this location, especially if care is given to nice architectural design (similar to the picture of the DC walmart that Charlie linked to above) and maintenance of interior improvements to the store.

    A WalMart in Arlington would bring jobs to Arlington County, provide a boost to County tax coffers, reduce vehicle emissions in the area (people wouldn’t have to drive as far to shop at a variety store), and provide an affordable place within the County for our lower income residents to shop and, therefore, save more of their scarce financial resources for important things like home ownership, education expenses, medical care, etc.

  • peterww

    “The goal, Brosnan said, is not to block Walmart from coming to the county. Rather, the goal is to enable the County Board to set conditions that could mitigate some of the traffic and other adverse impacts of large-format retail development.”

    My interpretation: “We will do everything to make sure every regulation applies to this site – we may even make up new ones as well – to make the industrial park cost prohibitive for wal-mart.”

    There are traffic concerns, but that area is by far the most disgusting piece of property in Arlington. If it was a green area, I could understand push back, but it’s an empty waste of space with no redeeming qualities. New business brings jobs for residents, increases retail competition, and produces more revenue for the county/state (taxes).

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